Bucs Non-tender Fogg

by Charlie Wilmoth on Dec 21, 2005 2:52 AM EST in News

The Pirates have non-tendered Josh Fogg. Unless there was a trade offer on the table, which I'm sure there wasn't, this is the right move. Keeping Humberto Cota is, I think, I minor mistake, but he'll be cheap, so it's not one worth worrying about.

The rest of the non-tender list is uninspiring. There are a few pitchers who were interesting in the past - specifically, Wade Miller, Grant Balfour and Kurt Ainsworth - but all have pretty serious injury issues.

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Foggy, foggy night

You would have lost the Fogg bet! I see some guys that would've been perfect fits for the Bucs circa 2002 or 2003, but not anymore, thank goodness.

Guys like Jason Phillips, Junior Spivey, Miguel Olivo, they might not be too bad, but the Pirates have better players.

I can't wait for spring training. Oliver Perez is going to go 25-3, just like Ron Guidry did in 1978, haha!

by JimBibbySweat on Dec 21, 2005 10:48 AM EST reply actions

Cota

I don't know if you noticed, but Cota mysteriously disappeared from the list of arbitration eligible players. He appeared on the list on Sunday, which listed 7, but not on yesterday's or today's PG articles about it. I don't really know what to make of that.

by Pat on Dec 21, 2005 1:14 PM EST reply actions

Tweaked

That'd be my guess, Littlefield doing the one thing at which he excels: finding loopholes in the PA re: time in service at the major league level.

by psk984 on Dec 21, 2005 2:04 PM EST reply actions

Cota

I don't see how he could have been arb.-eligible. He spent a few weeks each in the majors in 2001, 2002 and 2003, then all of 2004 and 2005 (except for DL and rehab time, which counts toward ML time). That should be two years plus, at most, two months. That seems very unlikely to qualify him as a super two.

by WTM on Dec 21, 2005 4:05 PM EST reply actions

Cota

Thanks, WTM. I figured it had something to do with the super two rule but I wasn't positive. And up until about Tuesday Cota had been on the lists as arbitration eligible, then he kind of disappeared.

by Pat on Dec 21, 2005 4:53 PM EST reply actions

20 game winners

Shame on me for using a Yankee pitcher as a reference point for Oliver Perez. I should have gone with John Candelaria and his 20-5 mark in 1977, or Doub Drabek 22-6 in 1990, or John Smiley 20-8 in 1991. And to think we pointed toward Josh Fogg's three straight 10-win seasons, yuck

by JimBibbySweat on Dec 21, 2005 5:06 PM EST reply actions