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Sound Off: Who Will the Bucs Actually Get for Mike Gonzalez?

We've heard some interesting names of potential returns for Mike Gonzalez: Adam LaRoche, Melky Cabrera, and so on. In our heart of hearts, though, we all know Dave Littlefield isn't going to get a player like that. After all, when Littlefield ruled the trade market in 2004, holding the only decent starter available (Kris Benson), we read the names of Justin Morneau, Chase Utley, David Wright and Ryan Howard in the papers, but we had to settle for Ty Wigginton, Matt Peterson and Jose Bautista. Littlefield has an established track record of failing to land real talent in trades.

So, inspired by this thread at Primer, I want to know who you think the Pirates will actually get, assuming they trade Gonzalez this offseason. So scour those AAA rosters, inspect the scrubby ends of contending teams' benches, and guess away. Bonus points will be given for especially humorous explanations.

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As I said over at Primer, my guess is that the Bucs will trade Gonzalez to the Red Sox for Abe Alvarez, Eric Hinske and cash. Alvarez is a crappy left-handed minor league pitcher who can be Brian Rogers' mirror image. Hinske is expensive and very bad but is definitely "major league ready."

by Charlie Wilmoth on Dec 16, 2006 3:49 AM EST reply actions  

Yikes
I find nothing humorous about that. No bonus points for you!

by bucdaddy on Dec 16, 2006 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

surprise trade
No one is mentioning Cincy, nut they need a closer with Everyday Eddie down and we know how much Krivsky loves relievers.  He and Dave, being brothers under the skin, probably spend hours on the phone rhapsodizing about their latest bullpen find, which is part of the reason they never get anything done that is productive.

They have Scott Hatteberg at 1B who is cheap, hits lefthanded, and did 289/389/436 last year (no fair looking at his age or the rest of his career).  Just think how much more power he'll have at PNC--like Casey last year.  The Reds can move Dunn to 1B to replace him, and give Denorfia a chance in the OF.  They'll love this trade.

But Dave needs more.  Luckily Cincy has a truckload of vet starters who aren't worth a damn.  Dave can get one of them and he's got a twofer--both of the holes he's been prattling about all offseason in one trade!  He'll be a hero.  The list:  Paul Wilson, Lohse, and Jason Johnson (I'm not even going to insult your intelligence by mentioning Ryan Franklin).  The Reds probably have already inked Lohse into their rotation and Wilson hasn't been healthy since...ever.  But Johnson has been in somebody's rotation for the last 9 years and he's only 33.  An unbroken string of less than mediocrity.  Career ERA 4.99.  Think Josh Fogg, except Fogg's ERA is 10 points better despite pitching in Coors last year.  I'll bet Dave wishes he had him back.  Johnson is perfect.

Just one small piece left.  Dave needs to get a throwaway reliever back to replenish his pride and joy. Someone not too old since Gonzo is in his prime (that leaves out Stanton and Cormier).  How about Brad Salmon.  Never heard of him?  Think he's Tim"s brother.  He's a 27 year old who struck 96 batters in a combined 81 innings in AA and AAA last year.  That's enough for Dave.

Done deal:  Gonzo for Hatteberg, Johnson and Salmon.  

by rogero on Dec 16, 2006 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

Add Chad Tracy to that list
According to Rotoworld, he was offered and DL turned it down:

"A source told the Beaver County Times that the Yankees are willing to part with Melky Cabrera in order to land Mike Gonzalez.
It's believed the Pirates want a second player along with Cabrera, presumably Scott Proctor. The Yankees aren't likely to go that far, though, even if it would deprive the Red Sox of one of their targets. The Braves are apparently out of the mix for Gonzalez, which also rules out the rumored three-way deal with the Yankees (Adam LaRoche and Kyle Davies to Pittsburgh, Gonzalez to the Yankees and Cabrera, Proctor and Jose Castillo to the Atlanta). The Diamondbacks reportedly offered Chad Tracy for Gonzalez and were turned down, leaving them to focus on Akinori Otsuka".

Tracy seems like a slightly younger version of Nady.  I'm not sure about his defense or his contract situation, although I know he can play 1B, 3B, or OF.  '06 seemed to be a down year for him, he slugged ~100 points less than in '05.  I'd pass as well, thanks Dave!

by ILLZ on Dec 16, 2006 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

THE TRADE!
I got it.  Littlefield works out like a 6 way trade that includes the Pirates, Dominican League, Red Sox, Diamonbacks, Athletics and Super Agent Scott Leventhal.  Littlefield convinces Epstein to sign Suppan, and then sends Mike Gonzalez and Freddy Sanchez back to the Red Sox and gets Jeff Suppan, Brandon Lyon, Scott Sauerbeck and Alvarez back.  The D-backs get Jose Castillo and the As get Humberto Cota, Jason Kendall's natural replacement...

by bryanzane on Dec 17, 2006 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

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