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2006 Draft: Open Thread

UPDATE: Pirates picks:
1. RHP Brad Lincoln (University of Houston)
2. LHP Mike Felix (Troy University)
3. 2B Shelby Ford (Oklahoma State)
4. RHP Jared Hughes (Long Beach State)
5. RHP Pat Bresnehan (Arizona State)
6. 2B Jim Negrych (Pitt)

WARNING: I am not a scout and my opinions on these players will probably change in the next few weeks as I read more about them. These are just preliminary opinions.

The Bucs passed on the top talent in the draft, pitcher Adam Miller, who fell to the Tigers with the sixth pick. Lincoln looks like a high-upside prospect and possibly a safer pick than Miller, who has issues with his mechanics, but this is the third year in the past five that the Bucs have passed on the top overall talent in the draft - the other two are B.J. Upton and Stephen Drew. Remember a couple years ago, when the Bucs said they were saving money for player development? Well, where's the evidence?

The Bucs will probably use Felix as a reliever, and the second round seems early for a reliever. Baseball Analysts, though, thinks Felix may be "the most underrated player in the country" and thinks he'd be a good first round gamble. He pitched some as a starter but was absolutely lights out as a reliever. Hmm. If his upside is that of a LOOGY, I'm not impressed, but if his upside is Chad Cordero or something, this can be a good pick. Felix also hit .382 as an outfielder.

Ford seems like an interesting pick. He has a good bat but may have to move from second base because of his defense. I can't find a lot of evidence that he was a highly regarded prospect, though. Hughes is a "polished" college product, according to John Sickels. He does not throw hard or strike people out. Scouts disagree about him. He's a huge guy at 6'7", so maybe there's some upside there. Bresnehan was a reliever for at least part of his college career, although he has also started. An Arizona State publication calls him - get this - an unheralded reliever. He throws in the low 90s with a good slider. The Pirates appear to have scouted last year's Cape Cod League - Lincoln, Ford, Hughes and Bresnehan all played there. It looks like the Pirates are going the safe route again this year, drafting college guys in order to beef up the low minors, though guys like Felix and Hughes may prove me wrong on that.

Negrych looks like a very good pick, and is a nice change from the Pirates' usual defense-first attitude. Or does PR come first? If so, Negrych is just business as usual. Snarkiness aside, he appears to be a solid pick in the sixth round. He does not have plus tools and he is small, but he can hit.

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The draft is today.

Here is the Post-Gazette's writeup on this year's draft. They think the Bucs will take University of Houston pitcher Brad Lincoln, which sounds fine to me. Here is a writeup on Lincoln.

It's far from certain Lincoln will be available when the Pirates pick, however, and they still could take Stanford pitcher Greg Reynolds. Baseball America explains:

Pittsburgh, like the next few teams in the draft, hopes that one of [pitcher Adam] Miller, [third baseman Evan] Longoria or Lincoln will slide to them, but that's unlikely to happen. If it doesn't, the Pirates will take a pitcher from a group that includes Stanford righthander Greg Reynolds, California righthander Brandon Morrow and Dallas high school lefty Clayton Kershaw.

-P- Here is Baseball America's Draft Tracker.

-P- Baseball Analysts thinks the Pirates will be a wild card in the first round.

-P- Here are the results of John Sickels' mock draft.

-P- Here is a post I did on the draft ten days ago.

-P- Here is a new article on the draft by Van Slyke.

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Again, the Pirates seemingly have poor luck - another top 5 pick and this draft isuniversally regarded as light in terms of talent. Some are even calling it the worst draft since 2000.

Stanford pitchers have been snakebit recently and I worry about the workload the college pitchers mentioned seemed to have accrued. But without a decent hitting prospect, it makes sense to go with the best player, which is probably a college pitcher.

If it is, then I'll prophesize that the pitcher will sign late, spend all of next year at Hickory and Lynchburg, struggle at AA and then fall to injury.

by Greg Schuler on Jun 6, 2006 8:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Callis has Longoria falling to the Pirates.
His last article before the draft has typically been pretty accurate - I think he nailed the first 17 picks last year.

This morning's last update has Longoria falling to the Pirates and the Rockies picking Reynolds at #2.  It also has Andrew Miller falling to #11.  

I believe in past descriptions of Longoria, he is the best college bat available.  But long term, a regular player rather than a star.

by DSman on Jun 6, 2006 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

MLB.com says
that the Royals are leaning toward Luke Hochevar.  That can't be right...?

by hisjazziness on Jun 6, 2006 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Greg Reynolds
I don't know much about him.  He's a righty, from Stanford.  So no offense to the kid.

But the other thing I know about him is that he has drawn comparisons to Bryan Bullington.

I know that we talked about this earlier on the board...but why would the Pirates do that, other than that they are the Pirates?

by hisjazziness on Jun 6, 2006 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Comparisons...
I'd agree with everyone that if the Pirates had the opportunity to draft Bryan Bullington's doppleganger, they'd be idiots to do so (and I'll even crow a bit that I was convinced Upton over Bullington was the right pick way back then), but just because someone compares to Bullington, is that a strong reason not to draft him? Projecting amateur baseball prospects is far from an exact science...

As another example, we're all talking about Longoria's upside being a non-star regular. Is that really absolutely positively the case? There's a large degree of uncertainty in projecting players even at AA, let alone from college or high school. Yeah, its probably the case that we can say Longoria's got less potential than Joe Mauer did, but we can't say with certainty he won't become a star player.

by DJAnyReason on Jun 6, 2006 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

BA has Pirates already signed Brad Lincoln.
Hochevar, Reynolds, Longoria signed #1-3.  Lincoln could be a nice player for the Pirates.

by DSman on Jun 6, 2006 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Link
Here is the link on that. If Adam Miller falls to them, why not take him? He's the consensus top talent in the draft, yes?

by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 6, 2006 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lincoln it is
They took Lincoln, with Miller falling to the Tigers two picks behind them. Maybe they didn't take Miller because of the glut of lefties they already have? I think Lincoln is probably a much better than Reynolds, at least.

by Pat on Jun 6, 2006 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Stats
Obviously it really doesn't mean anything, but Lincoln's got better K and BB numbers than does Miller, measured both /9IP and in ratio to each other.

Anyway, both BA and Sickels seem to think Lincoln's #2 behind Miller, so its not all that bad. As to why the Pirates would pass on Miller... do you really need to ask? It$ the $ame exact rea$on the Royal$ would.

But its good to know we signed Jeromy Burnitz this offseason

by DJAnyReason on Jun 6, 2006 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Lincoln - predraft deal
The rumored bonus is 2.75 million, which is slightly below slot money.

I am impressed the Pirates didn't seem bothered by the short righthander prejudice.

by Greg Schuler on Jun 6, 2006 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I think...
Their paying money prejudice outweighs their short righty prejudice.

I'm having trouble getting mlb.com to load on this dialup connection... somebody mind posting the Bucs' picks here?

by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 6, 2006 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Picks
#48 - Michael Felix LHP from Troy U
#80 - Shelby Ford, 2B from OSU

BTW, Brad Lincoln played some infield in college... anybody see a Van Benschotten in reverse here, or is that too stupid even for this team?

by DJAnyReason on Jun 6, 2006 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Round 4
If anyone cares, is William Hughes, RHP of the California State Long Beach Dirtbags. Also not in Sickels' first 5 rounds.

I am mostly mentioning this just to say "California State Long Beach Dirtbags"

by DJAnyReason on Jun 6, 2006 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too stupid for this team
The Pirates want another 3rd starter and Lincoln fits that profile. remember, the Pirates firmly believe you win with pitching and defense. Hitting is something other teams do - like the Yankees and Red Sox and Cardinals and Reds...

I doubt very much they would try to convert Lincoln unless he flopped at pitching completely.

by Greg Schuler on Jun 7, 2006 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh...
And for those of you keeping score at home, Sickels had Felix going #156 overall to the Twins in round 5, and Ford not going at all in the first 5 rounds. Sounds like a nice, typical, Pirates draft.

by DJAnyReason on Jun 6, 2006 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is it
That MLB can do 3+ rounds of a draft in about 2 hours, while it takes the NFL all day to do that, and the NBA an entire evening to do 2 rounds. But then I guess if the NFL was that efficient we wouldn't have to devote an entire weekend around it, and then what else would we do with ourselves for that weekend?

by Oliver Onion on Jun 6, 2006 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes
Sickels on Hughes:

"Hughes is quite polished although his lack of strikeouts worries me on a sabermetric perspective. Still, he's legit in the second round."

This seems to fit with the Pirates' pattern. Hughes will surely be blowing through the Sally League soon.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 6, 2006 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmm...
I did in fact notice a 'Hughes' in Sickels' draft, but Jared Hughes, not William. Googling a bit, it seems that Jared Hughes is actually the guy's name, and MLB's draft tracker sucks ass.

Round 5 - Patrick Bresnehan RHP ASU

So far we've take 4 pitchers, and 5 players from 4 year universities.

by DJAnyReason on Jun 6, 2006 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Draft tracker . . .
tends to give guys' birth names, rather than the names they actually go by.

by WTM on Jun 6, 2006 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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