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Trade Deadline Open Thread

As many of you know, I live on the West Coast and don't have a 9-to-5 job, which means I wake up far later than most of you. I'll obviously be available to update well before the deadline today, but if a trade happens earlier in the day I may not be there right away. You can chat about any early moves in this thread or in the diaries.

In the meantime, Dejan Kovacevic and Rob Rossi have some trade information. One part of Rossi's piece is pretty jaw-dropping:

GM Dave Littlefield said that, in regard to trade talks, he has mostly spoken about moving players at the end of their contracts. Littlefield added that even if he doesn't make a move by today's deadline, he feels the Pirates possess some veterans that would clear waivers for possible deals in August.

Whoa. That is true, but only in the case of veterans that no one really wants, like Jeromy Burnitz and Joe Randa. Littlefield has, by some accounts, kept himself from making trades by insisting that Burnitz be involved, so he'd surely pass through waivers. Obviously, the problem with this is that Littlefield is only really likely to get talent if he trades desirable players, and those players won't go through waivers. If Littlefield doesn't make any trades by tomorrow afternoon - well, I'm running out of words to describe how stupid that would be. There is absolutely no long-term benefit to holding on to Craig Wilson and Kip Wells into August unless you're planning to keep them, offer them arbitration and collect draft picks. I don't think the Pirates will do that. And there is no long-term benefit at all to keeping Roberto Hernandez or Damaso Marte after tomorrow. They won't clear waivers, so they'll hardly have any trade value after today.

From the Kovacevic article, I have to wonder how Littlefield can keep a straight face when he asks for top prospects for his players when he says stuff like this about them:

"The people we have out there in the trade market basically are viewed as extra pieces, quite frankly, as they are with our team right now. They're pieces that maybe can help as a bat off the bench or somewhere else."
Littlefield must really think the people he's trading with are idiots. Why would anyone trade a top prospect or an "extra piece"? If he's going to persist with this idiotic strategy of asking, for example, for a Major-League-Ready® starting pitcher and a position prospect for two months' worth of a bench player, he should at least do himself the favor of shutting his trap when Kovacevic's tape recorder is around.

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Here's the latest on Shealy...
http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_4115881

I love rumors...the Pirates are out of the race for Shealy...the Pirates are in it...the Pirates are out if it.  I don't think much of McLouth, and I really don't mind him being involved in the talks, but if the Bucs really give up both Grabow and McLouth, I'd hope the Rocks would throw in a Seth Smith or something as well...

by Bill C. on Jul 31, 2006 8:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Smith would be nice but not necessary
I like McClouth, but with Duffy in AAA able to be called up and start right away in center, I don't think I'd mind trading Grabow and McCoulth for shealy.  Grabow is a good lefty reliever, but not dominant.  McClouth is a good young outfielder, but not great.  From what I hear (I have only seen him at bat a couple times) there is no ceiling for Shealy.

by The New Guy on Jul 31, 2006 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Off-topic...
...but we've got a 19-year old SS in the Venezuelan Summer League named Henry Henry who's hitting .384/.514/.500

And people say we've got no prospects in the low minors... :)

by DJAnyReason on Jul 31, 2006 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

And it begins...
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5832350

The Detroit Tigers acquired first baseman Sean Casey from the Pittsburgh Pirates on Monday in exchange for minor-league right-hander Brian Rogers, Pirates general manager Dave Littlefield announced.

Casey hit .296 (63-for-213) with 15 doubles, three home runs and 29 RBI in 59 games this season with Pittsburgh.

Rogers, 24, went 3-2 with one save and a 2.39 ERA in 37 relief appearances this season with Double-A Erie of the Eastern League. He was Detroit's 11th round selection in the 2003 draft from Georgia Southern University.

by Bill C. on Jul 31, 2006 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Yup
A search for Brian Rogers returns 0 results on John Sickels' blog.

Another classic DL trade. Get a 24-year old AA reliever non-prospect for somebody who had some value a couple weeks ago.

I was seriously hoping for 0 trades, just for the embarassment of it all. Sadly, instead we'll end up with the usual collection of crappy minor league pitching and 4th outfielders.

by DJAnyReason on Jul 31, 2006 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

He definitely comes with no fanfare...
http://thebaseballcube.com/players/R/Brian-Rogers-1.shtml

...his minor league numbers (at least in relief) really haven't been too bad, but there's no doubting that Sean Casey was worth way more than this a month ago.  Optimizing value isn't exactly Littlefield's strong suit...

So let's keep a running score here...

Players that won't be playing for the Pirates in '07:

Sean Casey
Craig Wilson
Kip Wells
Roberto Hernandez
Jeromy Burnitz
Joe Randa
Jose Hernandez
Victor Santos

Players who the Pirates have gotten in return:

Brian Rogers (mid-level AA reliever)

by Bill C. on Jul 31, 2006 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

DL
Getting little for this list of players is the lesser part of DL's ineptitude.  The only way to get better is trade some of the pitching talent he has accumulated for young players with potentially impact bats.  Particularly his stable of relievers that any contenders would covet.  

Young hitters are all over the place in the high minors.  Shealy is only the most obvious example.  Scott Hairston has nowhere to go in Ariz. and their bullpen sucks.  Ditto Paul McAnulty in SD though they have better relievers.  The list goes on and on.

By dumping the high priced vets, he is saving money for the McNutters, so we all know he has to give that a priority.  Maybe he'll get another extension of this.

RO  

by rogero on Jul 31, 2006 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rogers
Rogers is another example of pitchers who thrive when switched to the pen (Capps is one).  See how his numbers took a leap forward in '05, his first year in relief.  He has done even better this year in AA.  He is a likely to help, and probably by next year.

So now is the time to trade just about everyone currently in the pen who can bring real value.  Reinforcements are lined up to replace them.

RO

by rogero on Jul 31, 2006 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed
Specifically John Grabow to get Shealy

by The New Guy on Jul 31, 2006 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least...
...it increases the chances of a Shealy sighting.

by psk984 on Jul 31, 2006 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

hope so
if the bucs don't trade for Shealy that leaves Craig Wilson to play first every day for the rest of 06.

by The New Guy on Jul 31, 2006 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually...
...knowing what we know about how much the Pirates hate CWilson, I think the odds of Jose Hernandez playing every day at 1B the rest of the year are much higher...

by Bill C. on Jul 31, 2006 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe ...
since Rogers is a sort of Capps type, the Pirates capitulate and turn around and offer Capps to the Rox for Shealy. That would kinda make a little sense. At least that's what I'd do now, and I like Capps a lot and have argued against dealing him.

by bucdaddy on Jul 31, 2006 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

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