News Roundup: Young/Garza Deal Happens, Pirates Shop Morris
It confuses me when well-run teams do dumb things. Like the Brewers paying Jason Kendall $4 million - why? The Delmon Young - Matt Garza I wrote about yesterday actually did happen. Unlike what was reported yesterday, Juan Rincon isn't in the deal - instead he's replaced by minor-league reliever Eduardo Morlan. Morlan's numbers are just ridonkulous, and he has a filthy fastball and breaking ball, too. He's about as interesting as a minor-league reliever can possibly be, but even if the Rays plan on moving him back to the rotation (which seems unlikely, given that his mechanics aren't great and he doesn't have a good offspeed pitch), I still don't understand this deal. It makes me wonder whether Young is an even more difficult guy than has been reported.
-P- Unsurprisingly, the Bucs are interested in dealing Matt Morris and guesses (?) that the Cardinals may be interested, and that Anthony Reyes might be available in the right deal. If the Bucs could get Reyes, especially for a chump like Morris, that'd be a coup. Reyes has fallen out of favor in St. Louis, but he was a well-regarded prospect until fairly recently, and he's worth taking a flyer on. It seems his problem is pitching with runners in scoring position, and the reason he has that problem seems to be that he tends to throw a four-seamer rather than a two-seamer with men on, and as a result he leaves too many fastballs up in the zone with men on. In other words, a good pitching coach - well, one who isn't Dave Duncan - might be able to fix him, and if that happens, there's no reason he can't be an above-average starter.
Also, as Bryan pointed out in the diaries, the Cards may be interested in Jack Wilson. Even Dave Littlefield managed to be offered real prospects for Jack, so I see no reason to expect anything different now. The Cardinals don't have a great system, but it isn't completely barren. Top outfield prospect Colby Rasmus is almost certainly out of the question, but their other prospects might not be. Catcher Bryan Anderson is a guy I might ask about, given the lack of catching depth in the Pirates' system.
-P- I also want to mention the Xavier Nady-and-Nate McLouth-for-Chase Headley rumor, which has already been posted in the diaries and which Greg wrote to me about a couple days ago. Headley's a good third base prospect who has more upside than McLouth, and I think this trade would be a great idea. I've seen some message-board fretting about Neil Walker already being at third, but Walker's a long way from the big leagues, and if both Walker and Headley end up being good big league players, that's a good problem to have. I'd like Headley even more if he were a middle infielder or a catcher - since we don't have a top prospect at those positions - but I care far more about the fact that he can hit.
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Ridonkulous
Funny you say that...
If anyone is interested to see the draft results for kicks let me know and I'll post the URL.
A-Rod went 1st overall, btw.
by OmarMoreno18 on Nov 29, 2007 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
If only they were in another division.....
- Kazmir
- Shields
- Garza
- E. Jackson
- J. Niemann
- Kazmir
- Garza
- Shields
- Price
- McGee/Davis (they're basically siamese twins anyway, one lefty, one righty, always mentioned in the same breath)
Side note - Jim Callis of Baseball America, earlier this year, picked the Rays as 2010 World Series chanmps.
Here's the rough lineup of names....
2B Iwamura
SS Brignac
3B Longoria
LF Crawford
CF Upton
They will probably draft Alvarez at #1 this year, so there's your 1B. I can't in good conscience put Baldelli in that lineup without a good eraser on my pencil.
This is why, without a doubt, the Rays have the top farm system in all of baseball.
by Tricky Kid on Nov 29, 2007 8:34 AM EST reply actions
Carlos Pena
I'm kinda hoping some college pitcher will have a sensational year and Alvarez will fall to the Bucs.
Pedro
young pitchers
Passing up bats like Pedro for pitchers is what the Pirates do, not a real organization like TB. Besides, if several of their young aces go down, wouldn't it make more sense to take Alvarez rather than risking their #1 on another one?
Pirates 2008 Draft pick
Or draft Bullington and immediately announce he's a #3.
It was an oversight on my part about Pena, especially the fact that he's not that old, but I do think this was an aberration and that Alvarez would push him aside if necessary.
by Tricky Kid on Nov 29, 2007 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
This is all premature
A lot can change in a year. Maybe Alvarez will step into a gopher hole and break his ankle in May, or some toolsy 17-year-old will flip the switch and turn into a destroyer of fastballs. Who knows?
5 tools
The amateur draft has been going since 1965. The list of Pirates first draft choices that HAVE played in the majors for more than a cup of coffee isn't terribly long. Here it is:
1966 Richie Hebner (drafted at SS?????)
1968 Dick Sharon (OF)
1971 Craig Reynolds (SS)
1973 Steve Nicosia (C)
1974 Rod Scurry (P)
1975 Dale Berra (SS)
1980 Rich Renteria (SS)
1981 Jim Winn (P)
1982 Sammy Khalifa (SS)
1985 Barry Bonds (OF)
1986 Jeff King (3B)
1989 Willie Greene (SS, none of it with us, Zane Smith trade)
1992 Jason Kendall (C)
1993 Jermaine Allensworth (OF) borderline cup of coffee
1995 Chad Hermansen (SS) several cups of coffee
1996 Krissy Benson (P)
1997 JJ Davis (drafted at 1B/P) cups of coffee
2003 Paul Maholm (P)
That's pretty much it, unless you count Burnett, JVB, and Bullington as being up for more than a cup of coffee.
Starting with 1996, the ONLY first rounders that weren't drafted as pitchers or converted to one (JVB) are Walker and McCutchen. Tools don't seem to be a high priority to the Pirates in the first round, and they don't seem to be able to recognize one anyway. Maybe this administration will be different. We can only hope.
on the way to being real
It is true, though, that the extent to which they are a fully realized "real organization" depends on how adept they are at sorting through and keeping most of their young talent, including spending the money to do so. That's still ahead. I do think the way they adjusted their talent base in the Twins trade is a good first step.
It's true.
Duncan
Yeah.
"A good pitching coach - well, a good pitching coach who isn't Dave Duncan..."
by Charlie Wilmoth on Nov 29, 2007 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Morlan
I sense that you and others think the only way a pitcher can have real value is to start. Yet every year the playoffs show the opposite--just how important the pen is. Well that's also true for the 162 games it takes to get to the playoffs.
Don't Forget...
- Bartlett is significantly better than Harris, because he's a good fielder while Harris is really bad. This part of the swap is about a 1.5 win upgrade for the Rays.
- Delmon Young was just awful in 2007. He hit extremely poorly and didn't field well. Overall he was worse than replacement level, totally undeserving of any Rookie of the Year votes. Yes, he still has all the tools that made him a top prospect and he should definitely improve. But between his performances in AAA and the majors, he's yet to show his potential.
Brian Barton
OF isn't really a position of need for us, but he's well-regarded, he has some upper minors experience, and Huntington would be pretty familiar with him.
I'm thinking that someone in Cleveland must have been pulling for the guy while he worked up through the system, and not too many people have left the Indians between last year and this one...
Brian Barton
Barton
It's the perfect storm...new GM from Cleveland, a semi-prospect blocked in Cleveland, all the overtures about getting more prospects in the system...
If they trade Nady, start Pearce in RF that would allow McClouth to play CF with Barton backing up the corners and possibly (but I hope not) Duffy to back up CF.
He's a 20-20 talent at the majors within a few years in the right environment.
by Tricky Kid on Nov 29, 2007 2:51 PM EST reply actions
Giants?
umm...
Here's a couple other rumors
...The (White) Sox are among the teams interested in Japanese free-agent outfielder Kosuke Fukudome, a rival GM says, and also are exploring a possible deal for Pirates left fielder Jason Bay...
Padres Class AAA third baseman Chase Headley is heavily in demand. The Red Sox wanted him in a deal for Coco Crisp, and the Pirates are aggressively pursuing him in exchange for Xavier Nady and Nate McLouth. The Padres are reluctant to move Headley, who could end up in left field.
by puget sound pirate on Nov 30, 2007 2:03 AM EST reply actions
Cool.
Nady+Nate>Crisp.
I can see Towers on the horn with
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071130&content_id=2314436&vkey=hotstove2007&fe xt=.jsp
This time of year what is implied and what is accurate can never be truly defined. Huntington is as new to Dejan as he is with any of us, so...
by puget sound pirate on Nov 30, 2007 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Cards still in the hunt
by NW Pirate fan on Nov 30, 2007 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Which makes sense
Look at what the Padres needs are right now.
I can see them listening to what the Bucs have to say but the Padres finalizing the deal is a whole other story.
by puget sound pirate on Nov 30, 2007 7:03 PM EST up reply actions

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