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Payroll Spending Gap Increases

I hadn't thought too specifically about what the Post-Gazette reports here, which is the increasing size of the difference in payrolls between the Pirates and their NL Central rivals, but of course it makes sense. The Pirates, under both Dave Littlefield and, so far, Neal Huntington, have mostly steered clear of the free agent market since it started getting really expensive last offseason.

The real question here is whether this is a simple unwillingness on the part of the new/"new" ownership to pay big-league prices, or if it just reflects the Pirates' current situation, or some combination of the two. Except for the sorts of big-ticket free agents they've always avoided, no free agent can really put the Pirates in contention. So there's no particular reason right now for the Pirates to waste a lot of money in that market. And the players they do have don't cost much money either. We're going to learn a lot about ownership's intentions after the 2009 season, when much of its current core can become eligible for free agency, and when Ian Snell could start to become really expensive.

Again, this has a lot to do with the holding pattern that I wrote about a few days ago - the Pirates aren't good enough to bother spend money on and aren't deep enough to rebuild. The payroll disparity is symptomatic of a problem, but is itself not necessarily the problem. It's an issue best addressed once Huntington figures out a way to break the holding pattern, hopefully by having a great draft this June.

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Speaking of the draft....
... I wonder what the disparity is on spending among teams in the signing of their draft picks, as well as the amateur free agent signings. I have a feeling the Pirates are lagging in those areas as well. I just wonder by how much.

by NW Pirate fan on Dec 23, 2007 8:48 PM EST reply actions  

If we see penny pinching come June...
...we'll know the new boss is the same as the old boss.

McClatchy and Littlefield were so bad that the Pirates need a few years to repair the damage. Drafting well and signing quality international prospects is the place to start. If they can't spend money there.....

by steve_z on Dec 23, 2007 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Nuts
You have so many good guys in the system right now you just don't know. They need help.

They have drafted well in the past few years.

Lincoln will be fine. Moskos is good, just misplaced. Hughes is a giant and will be good. Felix  will also be a stud. McClune, Delasantos, Holden, Amato, McPherson will all be really good in years to come.

They need help. They finally hired a bona fide pitching coordinator. Littlefield saw fit to go....A YEAR without one. What a joke. Brian Graham should rot in hell for what he did to the current teams.

There are the guys there but they need coaching, and in a big way.

Coaching my friends, is the only way to get these guys good. Do you think Jered Weaver got that good without a Tory Buckley behind him??????

Billy Pirates

by BillyPirates on Dec 24, 2007 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

If that's sarcasm...
...it doesn't come through very well on the internet.

If that's not sarcasm, and you honestly think we've drafted well the last few years... I really don't know what to say to that.

by Vlad on Dec 24, 2007 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Ease off the eggnog dude....
The comments about Hughes and Felix alone show that you wouldn't pass a breathalyzer.  If ALL the stars align and the seas part correctly, Felix will be a LOOGY.  Hughes is a giant that gasses it in there at 88 mph.

I like Lincoln too, but uh...that's major surgery, Holmes.

Moskos will never get a fair shake among Pirates fans unless Weiters turns out to be a massive bust and Moskos wins a Rolaids relief man award (if it still exists).

The rest of the guys mentioned are all scrubs, at best bench guys or 12th men in the pitching staff.

by Tricky Kid on Dec 25, 2007 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Draft bonuses
It's hard to measure this properly, because the overwhelming majority of draftees get slot money now.  This means that, on average, a team that drafts early will pay out more in bonuses round after round than a team that drafts later.  If you adjusted for draft position, I'm confident that the Pirates would be near the bottom over the course of the last 5-6 years.  They haven't had a single extra pick since the early '90s and they almost never paid above slot under DL, while most other teams have extra picks from time to time and many pay above slot once or twice a year.

by WTM on Dec 24, 2007 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Meanwhile ...
The payroll gap will grow and grow.

I just can't imagine any scenario, any situation, where the Big Nut finally says, "OK, NH, grab that $20 m/year stud free agent we need to put us over the top."

Can you?

by bucdaddy on Dec 24, 2007 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

No
I can't, but I'm trying to make myself positive about all of this.  With a good draft and some smart trades, maybe Huntington will induce Nutting to open the purse a little.  As has been said before, though, there is no point in doing that until the team is a legitimate contender, or very close.

by RichieHebner on Dec 24, 2007 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

Just a Mouthpiece
That is all Huntington is at this point. If Nutting is EVER going to open his purse (although I'd like to think he carries a wallet!), any "inducing" is going to have to come from
Davy Crockett, aka Frankie Coonskincap.

by thegunner on Dec 24, 2007 7:00 PM EST reply actions  

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