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The Arizona Fall League is underway. Shelby Ford and Steven Lerud are off to great starts; Jamie Romak is 0-for-9 with four strikeouts. Jeff Sues, Michael Crotta, Jared Hughes and Derek Hankins have all pitched a couple innings apiece.

In the Hawaii Winter League, Miles Durham has an .884 OPS in 50 at bats; Jim Negrych is at .764, but he's mostly there to work on playing second base after playing third in the minors this year. (The Pirates think--with good reason--that he doesn't have the power to play third. He'll probably hit enough to stick as a second baseman or a utility guy if his defense can play in the middle infield, but from what I've read about his defense this year, I have my doubts.) Brian Friday is off to a slow start. Kyle Bloom has twelve strikeouts and a 1.50 ERA in twelve innings for West Oahu. Eric Krebs and Harrison Bishop are pitching there too.

For the Bucs, this year's winter leagues are relatively quiet, and they will probably stay that way unless Pedro Alvarez is added to a roster somewhere. But they could still end up affecting the big-league team. WTM's article from a few weeks back lists the players who risk being exposed to the Rule 5 draft this winter if they aren't added to the roster. Romak and Sues have probably earned spots regardless of how they perform in the AZL, but the performances of Krebs and Bloom, in particular, could factor into the Pirates' choices about whether to expose them. 

At Lynchburg in 2008, Krebs had a decent season in his first full year as a reliever, but it would have looked considerably better if he hadn't had a poor July while recovering from being hit in the face by a line drive. He has good stuff and generates a fair number of strikeouts and grounders. Given some of the dubious pitchers currently on the 40-man roster (Ronald Belisario, Yoslan Herrera, Dave Davidson, John Van Benschoten, and so on), Krebs should receive real consideration for a roster spot, particularly if he pitches well in Hawaii.

The same is true for Bloom, who will be 26 by the time next season starts but is a lefty starter who was very strong down the stretch for Altoona in 2008. GIven the Pirates' general lack of starting pitching prospects, he probably should win a spot, particularly if he continues pitching well this winter.

Lerud, a catcher, is also eligible for the Rule 5 draft, but he's not a great bet to be selected despite being a former third round pick and showing flashes of power potential as an amateur and as a pro. He battled a hand injury early in his minor league career and has struggled to make contact for the past several years, so he's made his way through the minors very slowly. As a catcher with a bit of power and patience, he's still a minor prospect--he might be a bit like a lefty Mark Parent if he develops a bit more. He's worth watching, but at this point, he's not worth protecting, and even a very strong showing in Hawaii probably shouldn't change that. 

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Krebs was hit with a line drive. It caromed off his head and Negrych caught it on the fly. Would have been a funny play if it hadn’t been so scary.

by WTM on Oct 12, 2008 1:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oops, thanks. That’s obviously what I meant. The idea of a pitcher hitting himself in the face with a pitch doesn’t make much sense.

by Charlie on Oct 12, 2008 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure if it's been mentioned here or not

But there are a number of Pirates players currently playing for a few different teams in the Mexican Pacific League. Steve Pearce is a member of the Venados de Mazatlan. He had a single and a double in four at-bats and also drove in a run in the season opener tonight (box score).

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Oct 12, 2008 1:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It hasn’t. I wasn’t sure when that season was starting. Thanks.

by Charlie on Oct 12, 2008 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Checking in

I started a new job and haven’t posted in a while.

I have been expecting this move for Negrych. I don’t think many agreed when I said this before on here—rang is the only aspect of 2B that I think is more difficult at 3B, and that really isn’t Negrych’s problem. This move makes just as much sense defensively as it does offensively.

by DITO on Oct 12, 2008 9:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They're very different positions.

For 3B, you need arm and reaction time. For 2B, it’s more about quickness and footwork.

In general, 2B is harder than 3B. You can tell by comparing the league offensive baselines for both positions – NL 2Bs this year hit .271/.331/.408, and NL 3Bs hit .265/.335/.441. In general, the more glove a position requires, the lower its offensive baseline will be.

Way back in the old days, the average 3B was a better glove than the average 2B. It was largely a function of the frequency of bunts, which required a good 3B defender to handle, and the two positions flipped right around the ’30s as bunting-for-hits started to leave the game.

by Vlad on Oct 12, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Bay still count as an honorary Pirate?

He’s hitting .440/.517/.920 in the playoffs so far. He makes it very hard to root for the Rays. :(

by shayborg on Oct 12, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I Think That It Is Pretty Clear ...

why Andy LaRoche is in Pittsburgh after watching Blake DeWitt during the season and playoffs to date.

 
Is there anyone out there who would rather have Andy LaRoche than Blake DeWitt?

by thegunner on Oct 13, 2008 12:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Me, too.

DeWitt hasn’t hit all that well so far in the playoffs (.211/.200/.421). He didn’t hit all that well in the regular season, either (.264/.344/.383). And unlike LaRoche, DeWitt has never hit particularly well in the minors, either. The best thing that can be said about his forward projection is that he’s young and has some tools – but he is by no means a sure bet to develop into a starter, much less a star.

Watching LaRoche struggle may have been frustrating, but he has much, much more native ability, and if he’s able to tap into it, then in two years we won’t really care how he was hitting in 2008.

by Vlad on Oct 13, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's not forget

The Dodgers didn’t trade LaRoche to open up third for DeWitt. When he was able to stay in the lineup, the Dodgers preferred to play the aging Nomar at third. DeWitt then ended up at second only because Kent is hurt. The Dodgers don’t view DeWitt as a long-term solution at either position.

by WTM on Oct 13, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Catching

With the regards to the comment about Lerud in AZ — What are peoples thoughts about catching for the next couple of years. Doumit is holding on to the job for the time being. Chavez is getting older. Paulino has seemed to fall out of favor and Diaz is sort of the unknown at the moment. Perhaps Paulino gets traded, Chavez is the backup unless Diaz pushes him for it? Doumit had a nice season but we certainly have the history of injuries. Lerud then starts 2009 back at Altoona and if things move along, he goes to Indy at some point next year?

by Morty on Oct 13, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ll be very disappointed if Chavez stays on the roster this fall. Good-field, no-hit catchers like him are a dime a dozen, as shown by the fact that the Pirates were able to get him on a minor league contract. I’d remove him from the roster and try to sign him to another minor league deal, especially since he’s eligible for arbitration. If he won’t agree to that, I’d just look for somebody else like him to provide depth at AAA. In another year Lerud may be able to provide that depth.

They need a backup with more offensive upside anyway, because Doumit is a key to the team’s offense but he’s going to miss time at some point. They can’t afford the dropoff, so they need to take a chance on somebody with more potential offensively than Chavez. That probably means going with Diaz or hoping Paulino can get himself straightened out. I don’t think they have any faith left in Paulino, but he has no value in trade and no remaining options. Diaz has at least one option left. I’d prefer to see one or the other as the backup next year. I’m not exactly excited about either, but they both have the ability to hit more than Chavez types.

by WTM on Oct 13, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But the Pirates ...

regard Lil LaRoche as a long-term solution at 3B … or 2B???

I don’t get it at all.

In five years, I will be happy to compare DeWitt’s career with Lil LaRoche’s, and
I will be pleasantly surprised if LaRoche’s numbers parallel whatever DeWitt may do.

by thegunner on Oct 13, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When did this thing about LaRoche playing 2B for us get started?

He’s a 3B. Always has been, and always will be, until he gets too old for it and moves to 1B/DH. When he spent a handful of games there this year, it was an emergency thing because the Dodgers had burned through a bunch of MIFs, with Furcal and Nomar being hurt.

He’s a mid-term solution at 3B, and they really don’t need to be thinking any further ahead than that at this point. They’ll stick him there for now, and then re-evaluate in two years or so, once Walker has shown whether he’ll develop with the bat, and Alvarez has shown what he can and can’t do on defense.

I think that DeWitt’s future, such as it is, will be as a bench bat. He’d have a better shot on a team that doesn’t have Colletti at the helm, since he generally prefers to buy veterans to fill an open position when possible.

by Vlad on Oct 13, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prior to him joining the Bucs....

the LA Times said LaRoche was trying different positions at AAA and had played second base earlier in his career.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/28/sports/sp-dodrep28

When either Walker or Alvarez are ready, second base has to be an option for the younger LaRoche even if it’s part of a utility role.

by RDV across the sea on Oct 16, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh.

Maybe it was in a winter league? None of the stat sites show any 2B games on his record until this year…

In any event, I think he’d make a pretty grim defensive 2B at this point. I also think that the most likely scenario here involves Alvarez playing his way off 3B and becoming a 1B, and Walker growing up to be a four-corners UT guy (for reason of bat). But we can afford to play it by ear for a while until we know for sure one way or the other on all of ’em.

by Vlad on Oct 16, 2008 5:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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