The 40-Man Roster: What I'd Do
The Pirates' 40-man roster will need to be set about a month from now in preparation for the Rule 5 draft. Any moves the Pirates make between now and then will probably be made with late November in mind. So here's the Pirates' 40-man roster and what I might do in the next month to prepare the Pirates.
First, you'll want to check out WTM's article on a similar subject, which discusses which Pirates prospects need to be protected.
Here's the roster:
STARTING PITCHERS:
Jimmy Barthmaier, Jason Davis, Zach Duke, Phil Dumatrait (60-day DL), Tom Gorzelanny (60-day DL), Yoslan Herrera, Jeff Karstens, Paul Maholm, Ross Ohlendorf, Ian Snell, John Van Benschoten
RELIEF PITCHERS:
Denny Bautista, TJ Beam, Ronald Belisario, Sean Burnett, Matt Capps, Jesse Chavez, Dave Davidson, John Grabow, Craig Hansen, Marino Salas, Romulo Sanchez, Tyler Yates
CATCHERS:
Raul Chavez, Robinzon Diaz, Ryan Doumit, Ronny Paulino
INFIELDERS:
Pedro Alvarez, Brian Bixler, Luis Cruz, Chris Gomez (FA), Adam LaRoche, Andy LaRoche, Doug Mientkiewicz (FA), Luis Rivas (FA), Freddy Sanchez, Jack Wilson
OUTFIELDERS:
Nate McLouth, Jason Michaels (FA), Nyjer Morgan, Brandon Moss, Steven Pearce
There are currently 42 players on the roster because Dumatrait and Gorzelanny are on the 60-day DL. They can't stay there, which means right away, two players have to go. So, right away, let's grant free agency to Luis Rivas and say that we aren't going to take Raul Chavez to arbitration.
Next, the Pirates need to make room for a number of prospects. Here are the ones that could be lost in the Rule 5 draft:
Jose Tabata, Neil Walker, Jamie Romak, Evan Meek, Juan Mateo, Jeff Sues, Eric Krebs, Kyle Bloom, Ronald Uviedo, Steve Lerud, Brad Corley, Jason Delaney, Brad Clapp, James Boone, Jonel Pacheco
Right away, Lerud, Corley, Delaney, Clapp, Boone and Pacheco don't need to be added, while Jose Tabata, Neil Walker and Jamie Romak are definitely in. So let's grant free agency to Chris Gomez, Doug Mientkiewicz and Jason Michaels to make room for those three. (The Pirates have said they're interested in retaining Mientkiewicz and Michaels, but I don't think they actually will, and anyway I wouldn't.)
Meek, Mateo, Sues, Krebs, Bloom and Uviedo all have interesting cases to be added, especially given the Pirates' weak bunch of pitching. Evan Meek wasn't ready when he started the year with the Bucs, but he pitched very well after being booted off the roster and sent to the Pirates. He's in; Denny Bautista, who's eligible for arbitration, is out.
Juan Mateo was fantastic as a reliever for Altoona and isn't terribly old for a minor league free agent who has major league experience. He could pitch multiple-inning stints out of the Pirates' bullpen as early as next year. He's in; the pointless Ronald Belisario is out.
Jeff Sues, after missing two entire years with injuries, finally established himself as a decent relief prospect last year. He had a good strikeout rate at Altoona. He's not especially young, but he doesn't have a ton of pro experience because of the injuries and he's got good stuff, so there could be upside here. He's in; Luis Cruz is out.
Eric Krebs has good stuff and had a good strikeout rate for Lynchburg this year; he's currently pitching in the Hawaii Winter League. If the PIrates' relievers weren't terrible, adding him would be a stretch, because he's not ready to contribute. Fortunately for him, the Pirates' relievers are terrible. He replaces Dave Davidson.
Ronald Uviedo is currently pitching winter ball in Venezuela. He may have the strongest statistical case of any pitcher the PIrates need to consider adding, but he's a long way from the majors. Teams may consider him in the Rule 5 draft, though, because no one could hit him in his brief cameo at Lynchburg at the end of the year. Let's replace the arbitration-eligible Jason Davis with him.
Kyle Bloom had a strong season for Altoona and counts as one of the Bucs' few starting pitching prospects. He's not very likely to be chosen in the Rule 5 draft, I don't think, because his walk totals were high. He's off the roster for now, but I might consider making room for him if he continues to pitch well in Hawaii winter ball.
That makes the 40-man roster the following:
STARTING PITCHERS
Jimmy Barthmaier, Zach Duke, Phil Dumatrait, Tom Gorzelanny, Yoslan Herrera, Jeff Karstens, Paul Maholm, Ross Ohlendorf, Ian Snell, John Van Benschoten
RELIEF PITCHERS
TJ Beam, Sean Burnett, Matt Capps, Jesse Chavez, John Grabow, Craig Hansen, Eric Krebs, Juan Mateo, Evan Meek, Marino Salas, Jeff Sues, Romulo Sanchez, Ronald Uviedo, Tyler Yates
CATCHERS:
Robinzon Diaz, Ryan Doumit, Ronny Paulino
INFIELDERS:
Pedro Alvarez, Brian Bixler, Adam LaRoche, Andy LaRoche, Freddy Sanchez, Neil Walker, Jack Wilson
OUTFIELDERS:
Nate McLouth, Nyjer Morgan, Brandon Moss, Steven Pearce, Jamie Romak, Jose Tabata
That puts the Pirates at 40, but there are still several expendable players on the roster--Van Benschoten, Herrera, Bixler, Salas, Romulo Sanchez, Paulino--who can be moved if and when the Pirates find a free agent or someone in the Rule 5 draft. Yates is eligible for arbitration and normally isn't the sort of player I'd want to take there, but with the extreme absence of experienced relievers, it might not be a bad idea. Still, I think Mateo, Sues and Meek could all help out relatively soon.
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I agree...
with pretty much everything you said. I would however keep Lerud on the roster given the lack of talent we have in the org at that position. Also, I think the FO has made it pretty clear that not only will Cruz remain on the 40 but will have a pretty big role on next years team (IMO). Is it possible a couple of deals are made before the draft to clear roster space…Paulino, Morgan, etc. Also, did anyone ever find out about the Tabata age thing?
by Slick1 on Oct 18, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I asked Dejan and he wrote, I think in the Q/A, that Tabata had played very briefly in the DSL right after signing. That made one more year than I was aware of. There’s no change to his age.
Cruz is probably worth keeping because otherwise they’ll just go out and sign some crappy veteran. Once it becomes clear Cruz can’t hit his way out of a paper bag, they can option him out. If they sign a crappy veteran, he’ll have to stay on the roster (and play fairly often) no matter how bad he is, as we saw with Rivas. Apparently there’s something in the US Constitution about crappy veterans having an inalienable right to get 200+ ABs a year and never be released.
I’m not sure I’d bother putting Krebs and Uviedo on the roster. They’re both pretty far from major league ready and hopefully wouldn’t get drafted.
by WTM on Oct 18, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not. I might worry a LITTLE about each of them—Krebs because his stuff is good, and Uviedo because the 16 innings where he flummoxed Carolina League hitters might convince some team that he could baffle big leaguers for a couple months after the Rule 5 before coming down with the inevitable mysterious injury that requires eight years of rehab. If the Pirates had a bunch of players for the last few spots who were genuinely worth keeping, then worrying about Krebs or Uviedo would be oversensitive. Even now, it might be.
by Charlie on Oct 19, 2008 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lerud isn’t on the roster now, so the only way the Pirates risk losing him is if he’s taken in the Rule 5 draft. I just don’t think he’d be selected; he wasn’t incredibly impressive at AA last year, and teams generally don’t take Rule 5 picks and make them backup catchers. Jesus Flores is the only example of that I can think of offhand.
by Charlie on Oct 19, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, I just don't see
why you would ever retain Van Benschoten.
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Oct 18, 2008 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
at the expense of guys like
Davidson or Cruz
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Oct 18, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davidson’s been stuck at AA for two years now, and he’s getting worse, not better. I don’t see any reason to keep him. And Cruz is a bad joke—the 2008 version of Carlos Maldonado. He parlayed 120 at bats at AAA, in which he had a batting average something like 60 points above his minor league career norms, into a roster spot. He can’t hit at all and really has no upside.
I’m no fan of Van Benschoten, either, but at least he has the smidgen of upside all failed starters have before you see what kind of relievers they can be. He’s out of options, so I assume he won’t be with the Pirates next year regardless, and he would be a good candidate to dump once the Pirates need to open a spot.
by Charlie on Oct 19, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I look at a lot of these guys—JVB, Davidson, Belisario, Salas, etc.—as guys you’d keep on the roster only until you need the space for somebody else. Then you put them through waivers.
by WTM on Oct 19, 2008 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense is gold, Charlie, gold!!
No way Cruz is cut. His glove is superior, and what Slick1 said. I think the FO likes him enough. They could cut any of 3-4 relievers to keep him. I bet they let Herrera go, just to further distance themselves from the previous regime. And, you know, he can’t pitch.
by azibuck on Oct 19, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz is the heir to Abe Nunez! We’re rebuilding the glory years!
by WTM on Oct 19, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Charlie ...
Thanks for keeping my man, Yoslan Herrera, on the roster!
You won’t regret it!
by thegunner on Oct 19, 2008 2:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And sometime in 2009...
the Pirates will be creating a slot for Cutch. (Actually both McCutchens will need to be added after the 2009 season, at the latest.)
by Thunder on Oct 19, 2008 3:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what i'm curious about
is who the pirates might target in the draft for themselves. much like last year, there’s plenty of room on the roster (and low expectations for the season) to carry a rule 5 player.
by johnnycuff on Oct 19, 2008 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We have needs all over the place.
Might just go best available talent, rather than targeting a particular role.
by Vlad on Oct 20, 2008 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ick
Slice it and dice it any way you want to, that bullpen gives me chills
by KPatrick on Oct 19, 2008 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The scary part to me is the thought of NH actually hanging on to a bunch of those guys. You can maybe afford one, at most two, out of Hansen, Bautista, Chavez, Yates, Salas, and Davis, but you can’t keep carrying 4-5 relievers who can’t throw strikes. He needs to dump some of those guys and replace them with other relievers who might have a better chance of contributing. A big question for me will be NH’s willingness to cut bait on some of these failures.
by WTM on Oct 19, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JVB!
I’m his only fan.
He was a closer in college in addition to all of his long gone batting prowess. Maybe a conversion similar to Burnett.
by EndlessMike on Oct 19, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My beer-influenced choices...
…can’t be as bad as the decisions by the former regime. So here’s Part I.
Drop Joggin’ Ronnie, Louis Rivas (Chris Gomez is younger, hit for a better average, and can learn to play other infield positions if he wants to play MLB), Jason Michaels (I’d rather see Brandon Moss or Steve Pearce as a 4th outfielder), Nyjer (I’d rather see A. McCutcheon as a center fielder), and Yoslan (you can’t ship me back to Cuba anyway) Herrera.
Keep Doug Mientkewitz if we can. Keep Chris Gomez, we shouldn’t be difficult. I don’t care about the order of our 2/3 catchers (Raul CHavez and Robinson Diaz), but Paulino should be cut to continue the theme of accountability.
More as I have the chance (or drinks).
by Trogluddite on Oct 19, 2008 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trog...
you are drunk…Gomez is much OLDER (8 years) than 0-4-3-vas. I’d just as soon see both of them gone though…and have no objections to the other cuts you mention.
by Thunder on Oct 19, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll double-check
on another night or Thursday. I had pulled up their stats f/comparison, but carryin’ the one and such has never been my strong suit.
by Trogluddite on Oct 20, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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