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Roster News: Yoslan Herrera and Marino Salas Removed

Yoslan Herrera and Marino Salas have been removed from the 40-man roster and sent to Class AAA. Since Dejan Kovacevic is on vacation, there's no way to tell exactly what happened here, but Herrera and Salas must have gotten through waivers (right?). Anyway, it's not that losing either of them would have been a huge deal, but it's nice to have them both in the organization while not having them take roster spots. Both are in their peak years, and Herrera has done nothing in the minors or majors that suggests he's worth keeping on the roster except show he can pitch five or six innings if he doesn't get pelted first. Salas has been decent, but not great, in the minors the past two years.

These moves free up space for Tom Gorzelanny and Phil Dumatrait to be moved from the 60-day DL, where players do not count against the 40-man total, back to the regular roster, where they do.

In other roster news, Eric Krebs, a Lynchburg reliever who the Pirates would have to protect on the roster to avoid his being eligible for the Rule 5 draft, has been shut down in Hawaii winter ball with elbow trouble. Pirates farm director Kyle Stark is quoted in the article as saying he doesn't think the elbow will be an issue long term, but any Pirates fan used to hearing the organization say stuff like that about a pitcher only to hear two months later that the pitcher needs six arm surgeries will be skeptical. Unlike the old management team, the new one has no record of lying about these things, and I have no reason to think they're doing so here, but any elbow problem can be worrisome.

In any case, Krebs' injury probably means he doesn't need to be added to the roster. Because of the Krebs injury and the removal of Herrera and Salas, the Pirates' decisions about who to add to the roster will be easier than they would've been.

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I think Salas can elect to become a FA.

It’s his second outright assignment (the Brewers had outrighted him once before).

Herrera has to stick around, since it’s his first.

by Vlad on Oct 27, 2008 10:21 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Salas

I’m actually very excited by this move because to me, it shows that Huntington is not afraid to cut bait with one of “his guys”. He acquired Salas less than a year ago, so to risk losing a guy that he acquired so recently is definitely a good trait to posses. He realized that Salas basically sucked, and decided to make a move.

by baseballgg24 on Oct 27, 2008 12:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s one of the keys to NH’s off-season, imo. He had part of the bullpen equation right when he showed a willingness to acquire a bunch of guys with good arms and see if they could get straightened out. The next step is to see whether he’s willing to move on from the failures (which is pretty much all of them). Cutting Salas is a start, but he needs to cut loose of Bautista and Davis, at least, and start searching for more possibilities. They can’t go into next year with 3-4 guys in the bullpen who can’t throw strikes, and Hansen and Yates are pretty much guaranteed to be there already.

by WTM on Oct 27, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't understand...

Why anyone would be pleased to see them remain with the organization if they are as non-productive as Charlie described and they cleared waivers. Those two bits of information tell me that not only does NH and Charlie think they suck but so does everyone else in MLB. Wouldn’t we be better served to release them if the only kind thing you can say about them is that they’re in their prime?

by Illinois Pirate Fan on Oct 27, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You still need guys to fill out your staff at AAA.

And sometimes, the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t. It’s going to be at least two more years before we’re past the “Creech hole” in our system, and from what I read we had a VERY hard time attracting quality minor-league FAs to fill holes last offseason.

Also, removing someone from your 40-man doesn’t necessarily mean that you think they suck. It just means that you don’t think they’re one of your 40 best right now (or, maybe more accurately, the 40 that others would want the most). There’s still a non-zero chance of either of these guys becoming productive (neither one is totally a hopeless case, though I think Salas has a better shot than Herrera), and as such there’s no real downside to having either or both around in the minors if they aren’t eating a 40-man spot or stealing reps from a prospect.

by Vlad on Oct 27, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also . . .

. . . guys DO sometimes turn it around after being outrighted or DFA’d. Grabow was outrighted at one point. Not that I expect anything like that to happen with Salas or Herrera—Grabow was much younger—but if you think a guy has some talent, as Vlad says, it’s pretty harmless to keep him in AAA unless you have an amazing number of pitching prospects so that he might block somebody. I’m sure I don’t need to add that that’s not a problem.

by WTM on Oct 27, 2008 5:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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