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Pirates Outright John Van Benschoten, Ronald Belisario

Pitchers John Van Benschoten and Ronald Belisario have been removed from the 40-man roster. They must have cleared waivers, because they've been assigned to the minors (as Yoslan Herrera and Marino Salas were a few days ago).

Van Benschoten's case is well known. As a pitcher with at least decent stuff, he may yet have some kind of future as a reliever, where he hasn't gotten much of a shot yet. But even that's highly unlikely, since he'll be 29 (!) by mid-April and his major league performances thus far have been beyond miserable.

Belisario was a bizarre addition to the Pirates' roster in the first place. He hasn't had a good year in the minors since 2003, and he missed all of 2005 and 2006 with injuries. He didn't do anything interesting at AA this year. Bouncing him off the roster should have been an easy choice.

The Pirates should currently have two spots open on their 40-man roster, but they need to make room for a number of players, including Jose Tabata, Neil Walker and Jamie Romak. We'll probably see several more players dropped in the coming weeks.

Thanks to Uncle Nate.

UPDATE: All except Herrera can choose minor league free agency if they want. They have a few days to decide, so we'll know soon whether they stay with the organization.

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They’ve got four free agents who’ll be coming off the roster.

by WTM on Oct 29, 2008 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Joe Dillon?

Just got DFA’ed by the Brewers, to make room for another waiver claim (Casey McGehee).

I think Dillon might be worth a claim for us. He’s 32 years old, and a minimum-salary right-handed bat who can play 2B (sort of) and all four corners. Stats here. His 2008 was disappointing, but I think he’d be a nice backup/insurance policy on our bench in the Bautista mold at a couple of different positions. ZiPS projected him at .255/.334/.401 for ‘09, but that was in Milwaukee’s park, so it might be a little different for us.

Thoughts?

by Vlad on Oct 29, 2008 5:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So...

we don’t sign Gomez…replace him with Dillon…save about $500,000…and still need help for backup middle infielders. Please…please…please…don’t resign 0 for 3vas. I’d rather see Cruz and Bixler…who are already on the 40 man.

Adding Gorzo and Dumatrait gives us 38…minus the four FA’s…down to 34. Is there anyone that NEEDS added other than Tabata, Walker and Romak? I’ve heard Bloom mentioned with his performance in Hawaii.

Figure on Davis, Davidson, a RH reliever and one of the backup catchers being on the bubble…so we could probably do a cheap FA or two…and maybe 1 in the Rule V draft. And we are probably missing at least 1 player that needs added to the 40 man or lost.

by Thunder on Oct 29, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wilbur wrote a good thing...

…about rosterable prospects and 40-man management here. Jeff Sues is probably a slam dunk at this point, in addition to the guys you mention, and there are a couple of other arms on the bubble.

The thing that I like with Dillon is that he provides insurance at a few areas where we’re in flux right now. He could play 3B in the second half if LaRoche totally bombs, or corner OF if Moss’s knee doesn’t heal right, or even maybe cover 2B in an offense/defense platoon with Bixler if Freddy’s shoulder turns out to be worse than we suspect (I don’t know exactly how bad his defense there is, whether it’s totally unpalatable or just kind of rough). And he’d give us a lot of tactical flexibility in-game, plus at least one guy on the bench who’s an occasional threat for a long ball.

by Vlad on Oct 29, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dillon looks interesting. At least he might be able to swing the bat a little, which Rivas never could. Can he play SS? Too bad he never played in the AL Central. That seems to be a requirement for the bench and bullpen under NH.

I’m not concerned they’ll bring Rivas back. The web site has run articles saying they’d like to have Mientkiewicz and Michaels (aargh) back, but no mention of Rivas. The fact that Rivas rarely played the last few weeks is also a good indicator.

I would hope they’d waive Chavez and try to re-sign him to a minor league deal. I don’t see how you go to arbitration with a guy like that. Same thing with Jason Davis.

by WTM on Oct 29, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably can't handle SS.

Even 2B is a bit of a stretch for him.

by Vlad on Oct 30, 2008 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vlad

I had a chance to see Joe Dillon play a lot a couple of years ago when he was in Japan. I just don’t see him as a valuable back-up, and I really don’t think he can play 2B, let alone SS.

He never played OF while he was here, so I’m not sure if he really can play the corner spots or not.

If the Pirates really want to try to improve the team a little bit and do it at a reasonable price, they would be better off offering a contract to Rick Short-who can play all the corners-and allow him a real opportunity to play in the majors.

Just a thought.

by patthatt on Oct 30, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Short

I’d be fine with that. I saw Short play a lot in the Orioles’ system and he can definitely swing the bat. In 2005, his last US year before he went to Japan, he hit 383/456/569 in AAA. That bought him only 15 ABs with the Nats—his only MLB experience—but he still got six hits, including two HRs and two doubles. He’s fallen victim to the irrational preference of many teams for good-field, no-hit bench players, many of whom end up as useless pinch hitters. I guess you could call it the Abe Nunez Complex.

If I were Jim Negrych, I would not find Short’s career path comforting.

by WTM on Oct 30, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In fairness...

…Dillon’s brief time in Japan was probably the single worst stretch of his entire professional career. I’m sure he looked awful there, but I don’t think it’s representative of his true ability, and I don’t know that it’s fair of you to judge him on a single 31-game sample.

Short would be a decent NRI, but I don’t like him as much for our roster because one of my objectives in suggesting the move was to get us some bench power, and Short doesn’t really have any. I also worry about his age.

by Vlad on Oct 30, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vlad

You are right to say 31 games is a short time to evaluate a player, and Joe Dillon reportedly had some back problems in Japan, but I’ve never been impressed with him, even during his stay with the Brewers.

The only thing I know is that Rick Short can hit .320-.330 as a regular in NPB, and I guarantee you he could hit .300 off the bench in MLB for a couple more years.

Anyway, he was probably hurt in the past in the U.S. by teams carrying so many pitchers on their rosters in recent years as I think WTM pointed out before, so I expect he will finish out his career in Japan.

By the way, have you seen the numbers former Bucco Alex Ramirez put up in Japan this season? He’s on his way to over 300 career HRs in NPB before he’s done.

Baseball sure is a funny game sometimes.

Also, Junichi Tazawa-the top amateur pitcher in Japan this year-was just bypassed in the NPB draft, so it will be interesting to see if the Pirates have any real interest in him as was reported a month or two ago.

by patthatt on Oct 31, 2008 5:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to Paul Meyer at the PG...

Salas, Belisario and JVB all have the chance to become minor league free agents. Herrera still has a year left on his contract…so he remains Pirates property no matter what. If I have read the CBA correctly…the time limit for the 3 to declare free agency is 8 days after notification. So by the end of next week, we’ll know how many, if any of the 3, go to Indy.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08304/924003-63.stm

Meyer’s article also mentions that Gorzo and Dumatrait have to be reinstated to the 40 man roster by 11/20. I suspect that is also the deadline to add minor leaguers to the 40 man roster to prevent them from being eligible for the Rule V draft.

Now that the World Series has ended…free agent filing can begin…15 day window beginning with the day after the WS ends (Thursday). That makes the FA filing deadline November 14th.

by Thunder on Oct 30, 2008 2:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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