Link Roundup: Do the Pirates Need a Mentor?
-P- Larry Dobrow's lengthy analysis of the Pirates' situation is gratuitous (they "suck"; we get it), but still worth reading. One interesting suggestion:
Embrace the head case: The gonzo maneuverings of Nationals GM Jim Bowden usually appear in this space under the heading of "cautionary tales," but he stumbled onto something last winter when he dealt for a hothead (Elijah Dukes) and a supposed won't-respect-thy-elders loon (Lastings Milledge). These are precisely the types of high-upside plays that the Pirates ought to be making, especially since such players can be pried away for a price far less than their talent would demand.Listen, every team would love to win with a bunch of happy rainbow huggyhearts who do good deeds within the community and, whenever possible, refrain from urinating in public fountains. But the reality is that in any group of 25 people in most lines of work, you're going to find a loner, a shrew, an eccentric. That's just the law of averages.
Unfortunately, the Nats appear to have a monopoly on that sort of player, with Dukes, Milledge and now Scott Olsen. (And for what it's worth, Milledge isn't really in the same category with the other two, and Dukes is really in a class by himself.) Besides Milton Bradley, who has probably rehabbed his reputation to a degree with a productive and incident-free season, I'm not really sure who's on the market who fits the bill.
I agree that the Pirates should consider acquiring players with attitude problems (although I think someone like Dukes should be avoided), but I can't square that with Dobrow's next suggestion, which is to acquire a starting pitcher who can mentor young pitchers and fit in with Joe Kerrigan's program. Most of our young pitchers are not really that young and shouldn't need a mentor, and anyway it seems like the Pirates acquire someone like this every year, whether it's Matt Morris, or Jose Mesa (who the Bucs said would mentor Mike Gonzalez), or whomever. These players never seem to have any positive impact. If the Pirates want to acquire a veteran starter to eat innings, that's fine with me, but acquiring them for any reason other than their pitching ability is probably a mistake.
Thanks to Primer for the link.
-P- Mike Mussina will retire, Ken Rosenthal reports. He finishes with 270 career wins. Congrats to him for going out strong--I thought he was done after a miserable 2007 season, but he was excellent in 2008.
-P- The Red Sox have traded Coco Crisp to the Royals for reliever Ramon Ramirez. For the Sox, it's pretty simple; they get a useful player in return for one they didn't need much. They can find someone else to be their fourth outfielder for less than the $6 million they would have had to pay Crisp, though they will miss his defense.
As for the Royals, who knows where they're going with this. They want to use David DeJesus as a corner outfielder, and this helps them do that. DeJesus is maybe a shade worse than Nate McLouth and is a similar player in that he does a lot of things decently but nothing brilliantly, and in that his bat suddenly seems a lot less exciting if you have to move him to a corner. This trade makes it likely that either DeJesus or Mark Teahen will be moved this offseason, but swapping out DeJesus for Crisp is a downgrade, and who knows why anyone would give up something nice for Teahen. As with the Mike Jacobs deal a couple weeks ago, you have to wonder what this means for Billy Butler--now, if the Royals don't trade DeJesus or Teahen, it's possible there will be less playing time for Butler to DH.
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So . . . the Pirates should go looking for head cases and shitty veteran pitchers. (Obviously, a “mentor” has to be a shitty pitcher because, if he was a good pitcher, he’d simply be a good pitcher and not a “mentor.”)
How come the solution is never just to get better players? Why does there always have to be a magic formula?
by WTM on Nov 19, 2008 6:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I guess you can’t fault him for wanting to say how to get better players. His comments about McLouth, despite being too strongly worded (McLouth isn’t, in my view, a fourth outfielder) were interesting.
But yes, the idea to grab a veteran starter for the purposes of mentoring is a bad one. And you’re right about the “mentor” tag—usually that just means, “We can’t think of any good reason we acquired this guy.”
by Charlie on Nov 19, 2008 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
People laughed
when I suggested 3-4 years ago that Mussina was a possible HOF pitcher, but 270-153 and a career ERA .8 under league average should be hard to argue with. Must be extremely hard to walk away from an easy $12 mil for 30 starts.
by bucdaddy on Nov 19, 2008 7:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hello Charlie!
The Pirates don’t have to see “head cases” or “mentors”. The Pirates, as will any club, always have a “head case” or three, but we should never go after anyone like Elijah Dukes.
Likewise with mentors. We shouldn’t seek them out unless they can still play a little and actually mentor certain players.
What the Pirates have to do is intelligently seek out talent and strike while the iron is hot.
Kinda like how their counterparts are doing it in the waters off Somalia!
Now those Pirates know how to play ball!
Argh!
by thegunner on Nov 19, 2008 8:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Here's a mentor for $5
it’s called go to Wal*Mart, dig through the bargin and bin and pick up a copy of Bull Durham. Anytime Snell is having trouble locating his fastball have him wear a garter belt and breath through his eyelids. Problem solved.
by Ketcham Bruce on Nov 19, 2008 8:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Funny you mention this.
In the Trib a couple of days ago, Kerrigan said that he’s going to give all the guys the Rick Vaughn treatment and have ’em throw at batting dummies, so they get used to working inside.
by Vlad on Nov 20, 2008 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tabata
Didn’t Huntington already show he was willing to take a chance on upside by going after Tabata when his value was at it’s lowest?
How often does this type of opportunity present itself?
by haven on Nov 19, 2008 9:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tabata was even considered a head case. I guess you don’t count as a head case unless you at least threaten to kill your girlfriend.
by WTM on Nov 19, 2008 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ease up
Who among us hasn’t done that?
by bucdaddy on Nov 20, 2008 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Threatened to kill haven's girlfriend?
I’m pretty sure I have. But just in case I forgot, yeah, I’m going to kill her unless someone else beats me to it.
by Vlad on Nov 20, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mentor?
Isn’t that what the pitching coach is for?
by bucdaddy on Nov 20, 2008 10:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Head Cases? Does this mean it's time to re-acquire Jose Guillen?
I can see the billboards now: “Jose Guillen II — This Time It’s Personal”
P.S. Anyone who thinks this Guillen’s stats justify serious consideration despite his HOF head case qualifications, should read Guillen’s wikipedia profile. It ends with this story:
“In a game on August 26, 2008 in Kansas City against the Texas Rangers Guillen was involved in a confrontation with a fan in the stands just past the Royals dugout down the first base line. He made vulgar gestures and yelled profanity at the fan who had reportedly been heckling him for his lack of hustle. His coaches and teammates had to restrain him as he made his way towards the fan.”
These was at a home game. What a guy!
by WstCstBucco on Nov 20, 2008 3:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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