Baseball on TV
Bucs Fans,
I have been a producer and director of Major League Baseball games on television for over 30 years. For many of those years, I used strictly my own judgement about what our viewers liked and disliked about the telecasts I did.
Now with internet blogs like Bucs Dugout, I have the chance to see not only what fans in my own market (the San Francisco Bay Area) but other markets as well think of the way baseball on television is presented.
Having asked this question in California based baseball blogs, I have not only gotten many good suggestions, but have incorporated a number of them in my broadcasts. Now I want to expand my survey to other markets.
As broadcasters, we do these broadcasts for you, the fans. So if the spirit moves you, post what you like and dislike about baseball on TV. Your input would be most appreciated.
Mark Wolfson
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the managing editor (Charlie) or SB Nation. FanPosts are written by Bucs Dugout readers.
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It's very simple...
There are WAY TOO MANY announcers spending a LOT of time talking about everything except what is in front of them…the game!! With the MLB.TV feeds…I get to hear quite a few announcers over the space of a season. Too many booth guests discussing too much that has nothing to do with baseball. Problem is…it is on a national level as well as the local levels.
Too Many Announcers
First, a note of thanks to everyone who responded to my inquiry. All your comments are most appreciated and I will endeavor to respond to them all.
Regarding too many announcers. This isn’t a situation I’m very familiar with. When I was with the Dodgers, we essentially had only one person on the air at any one time with Vin Scully being the #1 guy (for obvious good reason). In recent years, I’ve had the same play-by-play and analysts for every game I’ve done with the A’s.
I can only guess that teams that like shuffling in a larger number of people believe that the variety keeps the broadcasts more “fresh” (my quotes).
One thing that can be a response to many of the complaints about people in the booth is related to the the fact that we are involved with the teams and produce games every day. Our perspective is perhaps different from even fairly avid fans who may watch two or three games a week. As a result producers are looking for different ways to “spice up” (again my quotes) their telecasts. Remember, the baseball campaign is more siege than season. 162 games. One day off every 20. If you’re producing 150 or so of those games, you’re trying to find elements to keep the shows from possibly getting stale. The battle for eyeballs is intensly fierce. In that regard, producers try to keep in mind that they are in the entertainment business, especially with teams that may not provide the most compelling product on the field.
I know you guys gotta make your money
but the incessant ad breaks just serve to make a too-long game even longer. I pretty much can’t watch baseball on TV because I’m 51 and I don’t have enough life left to justify watching 4 1/2-hour ballgames. This actually goes for football and basketball, too.
Also, too many camera cuts to fans in the stands and guys on the bench spitting out sunflower seeds when that time might be used showing, for instance, how the defense has set up and why.
agreed
defensive strategy as a whole seems to be largely ignored by most announcers.
bob walk seems to often get it. he’ll often point out things like the third baseman playing closer to the line when the catcher is set up on the outside of the plate against a left handed batter.
to make the larger point, he’s describing the actual in game situation and strategy rather than spouting some bland talking points that, say, sportscenter has already covered for the day. all i ask for is an announcer that’s interested in the game. if he’s not, how am i supposed to be?
Ad Breaks
This is an interesting post. The reason is bucdaddy is the first “fan” I’ve heard actually complain about the length of games. By the way, the average length of a Major League Baseball game is about two hours and 48 minutes. Those 4+ hr games you saw during the playoffs are that length due to the extra commercials that Big Fox and ESPN thrust on the teams. In a typical local telecast, a commercial break is either 1:30 or 1:40 (two minutes from the last out to first pitch). But in the playoffs that can jump to three minutes. Do the math. if you add two minutes to every break that means the game will be 36 minutes longer before one pitch is thrown. But rights fees for these games are astronomical. And the cost of producing a game has gone up very rapidly over the last few years. Television is first and foremost a business. Even with those long breaks, Fox probably doesn’t break even until the 6th game of any playoff series.
Regarding the tight shots in the dugout. It’s my belief that those shots should have a purpose other than just a change from the ubiquitous centerfield shot. If I take a shot of a guy in the dugout, it’s because I have a “story” to tell about him. He might be last night’s starting pitcher who had an outstanding performance or an injury report on a player close to rejoining the team. On the other hand, I too wish the guys wouldn’t expectorate as much. It sometimes seems like a requirement to be a Major League Player.
If we want faster games...
…the best way to do it would be to enforce the rule on the books about time between pitches, and to stop automatically granting hitters permission to step out of the box whenever they want. It wasn’t always the way that it is now, and I don’t think it’d be too hard to fix.
An even better way, actually;
two words: Throw. Strikes.
Unfortunately, TV has no control over that.
I forgot to ask baseballTV about one of my pet theories: That because sports is (I believe) cheap to produce — cheaper than half-hour sitcoms and hour dramas and such, anyway; you don’t have to build sets, for instance, or pay scriptwriters — TV has any no interest at all in shortening games. I figure TV would be happy if all games lasted eight hours, because if all games were played in two hours, TV would have to find something else to fill the air time. And that something else would likely be more expensive to air.
You still there, baseballTV?
I'm Stilll Here...
Producing baseball on TV isn’t exactly “cheap.” The cost of actually doing the games is a small percentage of those costs. The big expense is the rights fees. But your point is well taken. Baseball games cost less to produce than network sitcoms.
Regarding your premise that television would like to see long games, I don’t agree with that. We want games that are exciting and well played. It’s the natural drama of sports that make it such compelling programming. Baseball is the only game without a clock. It’s one of the things that make the sport unique. Does that often result in excruciatingly long games? Yep, it does. I’ll never forget the 22 inning, 7 hour and 21 minute marathon I did between the Dodgers and Astros in June of 1988. But I also remember the 1 hour and 40 minute performances by Mark Mulder and Joe Blanton for the A’s.
Well,
I was being hyperbolic about eight-hour games, but what I mean is, there’s no real incentive for TV to do much to try to shorten them. Longer games with lots of timeouts and extra innings and overtimes and such also open up more commercial slots, right?
And yes, I meant cheapER compared with sitcoms and dramas and such.
Nobody does a better job
of selling a game than WGN with the Cubs. I enjoy the 7th inning stretch when they have various celebs sing Take Me Out to the Ball Game as well as the various shots of the crowd that usually include very attractive women. This simply spices up the game and adds some pleasing sights as well as creating a family atmosphere by showing some of the wilder fans in dress and makeup.
by Illinois Pirate Fan on Nov 20, 2008 9:42 PM EST reply actions
Cubbies TV
It certainly works for the Cubs whose fans have a very different sensibility regarding their broadcasts and announcers. Their guys openly root for the Cubs. In the Bay Area a baseball announcer doing that would be run out of town on a rail. Yes, we want to sell the team, but Bay Area announcers believe their credibility is more valuable and so they don’t openly root.
If you’re a team executive, having TV show people enjoying themselves in the stands is a powerful sales force. Those shots show Dad that perhaps a fun way to spend a day or night with the family would be a Wrigley Field. Televising baseball in the team’s local market has always been considered “Three hour commercials to put fannies in the seats.”
I'd like to see
Infield play, particularly at 3d base. Sometimes there is a highlight, but often a play at 3rd occurs and you never see it. With highlights they’re not always shown when the play makes the last out of an inning and the broadcast goes to commercial.
I can’t help but wonder if a static camera at the 3rd base area would work.
Play at 3rd
My broadcasts in Oakland have always had an “over the shoulder” shot of the 3rd baseman for use in replay. The reason is that we had a 6-time Gold Glover there. Yes, when an inning ends I’m more likely to quickly get to commercial (which as I’ve said in a previous post pays the bills). But I always make sure I replay the inning ending play at the start of the next inning. I watched some Pirates games recently and saw that FSN does use that same camera in right field that isolates on the 3rd baseman.
I very much dislike it when the camera shows
the announcers talking between pitches, often about something unrelated to the game, instead of what is happening on the field. I tune in to watch the game and have no interest in repeated camera shots of the announcing crews and sometimes guests. By all means let them go on and on about what interests them, but show us what the players or even fans are doing while they are talking.
Announcers on Camera
This is a fairly common complaint. One thing we have learned about how people watch baseball on television is that they graze in and out of the game. As a result, when we have a guest in the booth or other similar feature, we shoot the guest every once in a while so that people grazing in will know who that strange voice is. Action on the field should never be compromised for this.
Could you do picture-in-picture?
It seems like there’s a natural chunk of real estate in the bottom right corner of the screen from the camera angle over the pitcher’s right shoulder. It’d be kind of an obnoxious CNN-ization to do it all the time, but for a quick transitional cut whenever you’re in danger of missing a pitch, it might make sense.
Stuff I'd like to see more of:
Notes about fielder positioning for different batters, historical references, scouting reports on hitters’ tendencies and pitchers’ stuff, pitch-track, that ultra-slow-motion camera they broke out for the All-Star game a few years ago, the camera angle from above and behind home plate looking out across the field, replays on close plays after the ump’s made an unpopular call, pop times for catchers on SB attempts, a brief pregame focus on any eccentric ground rules or structures in the park where the day’s game is being played.
Stuff I'd like to see less of:
The extreme facial close-ups you get on Fox – particularly the low angle ones where you look up the player’s nose almost far enough to see brain, announcers who try to make the game about their commentary instead of the action on the field , announcers who don’t really like baseball anymore and are just going through the motions (Chris Berman, Joe Buck, etc.), commentary on steroids or some other outrage of the day, missed pitches due to an overlong commercial break or a cutaway to a sideline reporter, statistics with no predictive value that rely on a tiny sample size (Joe Schmoe is 2-for-11 in Wednesday afternoon games for his career/in games against the Rockies last season/in at-bats with runners in scoring position), shots of the manager standing on the top step of the dugout looking sage, monolithic focus on HR/Ks during highlight packages, celebrity cameos, playoff games that don’t start until an hour before I have to go to bed.
Thanks for asking, by the way.
Nice to know that someone cares about what we think.
There’s an interview with Mr. Wolfson here if anyone’s interested in some of his opinions on how to run a broadcast.
Stuff I forgot the first time around:
Hate: Stupid SportsCenter-style catch phrases, announcers who assume that you can tell what kind of breaking ball a guy’s throwing without regard for the camera angle, souped-up radar gun readings.
Like (or would like): Regional announcers for national games (maybe do a one-inning exchange with one of the out-of-market broadcasters sitting in on your booth?), mentions of who’s warming up in the pen/standing in the on-deck circle, broadcasters who admit mistakes and then move on, a score box that’s always up on screen, a quick between-innnings graphic of which subs/relievers both teams have left.
Maybe something like
a summary of what a pitcher’s been throwing, like, a breakdown of what the first 30 pitches were, what the next 15 pitches were, and the 15 after that, as long as he’s in the game. If you saw something like this:
1-30: FB 24 CU 3 CH 3
31-45: FB 8 CU 5 CH 2
46-60: FB 5 CU 6 CH 4
Give the fan an idea of what the pitcher thinks is working that day and how his thinking shifted. If you could mix in any changes in pitch speed that would be even better. Like
1-15 FB avg 91 mph
16-30 FB avg 93 mph
31-45 FB avg 93 mph
46-60 FB avg 88 mph
So you can see when a pitcher’s kinda of running out of gas (pitch counts alone won’t tell you that).
The attentive fan (as well as the analyst, who ought to have to really earn his money) can use this kind of info to make some guesses about what a key hitter in the sixth inning might be able to look for, and how far he might be able to hit it. One of the coolest things a fan can ever do is say to his friends, “This guy, this pitch, gone,” and BANG have it leave the park.
One more thing: Fire Joe Morgan (RIP)
Close on the pitching, but I'd like to see more context -- pitches to batter
2nd time through the lineup, I’d like to see what was thrown the first time, via pitch tracks.
And what Vlad said — scouting reports, as the at-bat is about to begin.
Pitcher's Summary
Believe it or not, I was a consultant for a company that tried to set up a service to provide this information a few years ago. The company failed. the reason is that even experienced baseball people don’t always get what a pitcher throws correctly. It can be hard to determine the difference between a splitter and a sinker. And not every pitcher throws a 12-6 curve. An 11-5 or 10-4 curve looks more like a “slurve” or weak slider.
As for pitch speeds. that too is somewhat of a slippery slope. Some pitchers have now asked to have radar turned off during their games. As Bucdaddy points out, the correct way to use pitch speed is to track a pitcher’s endurance. Set a baseline early and see if he drops off later in the game. If pitch speed was the only determinant of a pitcher’s success than Jamie Moyer of the Phillies would have retired many years ago.
Heh
I saw an online game-tracker that ran into a related problem this year. Matt Morris has been gradually bleeding velocity for about the last five seasons or so, and this spring, the game tracker in question kept thinking that his low-80s FB was a changeup. D’oh!
I would be OK with no gun in a broadcast. I like having one, but it seems like they’re always calibrated “hot” by at least 2-3 MPH. More dramatic, but less useful until you can make the mental adjustment.
Radar Gun
I like the gun when it shows the extremes of pitcher’s speeds like how slow Tim Wakefield’s knuckleball is or Joel Zumaya’s 100mph heater.
camera angle
i’m totally with you on that. the pirates rely on the over-the-right-shoulder angle of the pitcher 99% of the time. you can never tell the break with that. some teams get it right and go with the angle from right behind the pitcher. the over-the-shoulder angle is ok for seeing 12-6 curveballs, but hides the movement anything with a horizontal break like a slider or a cutter.
this has annoyed me for quite a while.
i do also like the look from behind the catcher. to their credit fox employs that view, sometimes for an entire at bat.
nobody is right behind the pitcher are they?
I think the CF camera angle depends on where the camera platform is.
If you're directly behind the pitcher...
…you’d probably be running into placement problems with the batter’s eye in straightaway CF.
More suggestions from Vlad
I’m not big on the catch phrases myself. My all time least favorite is “Grand Salami.”
Regarding announcers, Big Fox does use regional announcers for many of their games. For example, Josh Lewin is the voice of the Texas Rangers. And I have nothing to complain about regarding Joe Buck.
If you’re not getting quick shots of who’se in the bullpen and whose on-deck (in situations where that helps set up the drama) then the telecast’s director needs to be reminded of those things.
I’m not a big fan of the 24/7 scorebox (it can give the viewer an excuse to pick up his remote and change the channel if he doesn’t like the score), but I understand that it is now the norm in all sports production.
A summary graphic if which teams are left on the bench is an excellent suggestion.
Stuff you'd like to see
Allow me to take your elements one by one:
Fielding position for different batters – Right on. We don’t do this often enough.
Historical References: Some people like this, some don’t. But baseball is the only sport with such a rich historical tradition. To ignore it would be a disservice to our viewers.
Scouting Reports: You bet!! This is some of my favorite information. Putting up the stats for the starting pitcher is fine, but knowing what he throws, how often and when in the count is far more interesting to me. But know that this information can be hard to come by. It is part and parcel of a team’s preparation and often don’t like sharing it with television.
Pitch Track: I like ESPN’s K-Zone but not Pitch Track. Pitch Track is not accurate. How can it be when it assumes that every player is 6 feet tall? Knowing that, how accurate do you think it is when 5’ 6" Dustin Pedroia comes to the plate. K-Zone is very, very expensive to implement.
Super-Slo Mo is something that a lot of Fox Regional networks use: It requires a special camera and playback unit. It too isn’t cheap.
Replays of a questionable call: The umps hate when we do this. But for the most part, all the replays do is show just how good they actually are.
Pop Times for Catchers on Stolen Base attempts: I must admit I’m not sure about what you’re refering to here.
Eccentric Ground Rules: Another terrific suggestion. This is one of the things that makes baseball so much fun to cover. Every stadium and playing field is unique. We should do a better job of explaining ground rules.
Thank you baseballTV
This thread didn’t suck at all. Thanks for asking and responding.
You're Very Welcome
I very much enjoy this discourse with baseball fans. As I said in a previous post, I try to do my best for the fans. Hearing from viewers in the best way to know what they think of the job I’m doing.
Pop time.
It’s a scouting term – the time from the pitch popping in the catcher’s glove to it reaching the glove of the 2B/SS on an attempted steal. It’s not a big thing, but I think that sometimes catchers get too much credit/blame for steals or kills, when the pitcher’s ability to hold runners is a large factor. Running a quick replay after a steal attempt with a second clock in the corner would show whether the runner made it because the catcher had a weak arm/bad footwork, or because he just got a really good jump.
Pop Time
Thanks much. I had a feeling that’s what you were talking about. Though the stopwatch insert over the catcher is an interesting idea, it would be somewhat difficult to execute without someone’s finger on the button. And most local broadcasts already have people doing multiple jobs. Plus, you need to establish a baseline. What is a good time? My analyst with the A’s is a former catcher (Ray Fosse) and so we often talk about catcher’s technique (like the correct way to play short hop pitches, blocking the plate, setting up to gun down a steal threat, etc.).
Baseline
IIRC, most ML catchers are under 2 seconds, and a good catcher is going to be in the low 1.8s. Might be hard to ensure a reasonable level of accuracy with a margin that small, and I guess it might be too esoteric for most people to enjoy, anyway – I just have a bias toward more information when I can get it.
Fosse was a pretty fair catcher back in the day. Tough as nails, too. Be fun to talk to him about the game some time.
The other stuff.
You’re right about Pitch Track/K-Zone; I had a bit of a brain fart there. I remember when NFL broadcasts were in danger of losing the CG first down line and line of scrimmage for financial reasons – hopefully the neat technological stuff for baseball won’t get shoved aside because of the cost. I can’t remember whether that stuff’s sponsored – maybe a branded sponsor with logo placement would help defray the expense?
I’m always amazed by how many things the umps get right. And also by how many things I have to watch five or six times from several different angles in slow-mo before I can really tell whether they got it right or not.
What’s the craziest ground rule situation you’ve ever run across? The ones that jump to my mind are the various in play/out of play catwalks at the Trop, and that one ball that Mike Schmidt hit off the roof of the Astrodome (in play – it was an easy 500-footer if not for the dome, but as it was he only ended up with a long single).
Forbes Field
had such a deep center field that after BP they’d roll the batting cage all the way out there and prop it against the outfield wall. I forget what the rules were, but occasionally somebody like Stargell would hammer one on top of the thing, or a ball would roll under it. Probably two bases. I think the flag pole in center was in the field of play too. Forbes also had a huge scoreboard in left, with a gigantic clock on top of it. I believe a ball off the scoreboard was in play but a ball off the clock was a home run — I saw Maz hit one off the clock there. It was a mighty blast; the left-field line was, what, 365?
I’m going to guess there’s been a ball or two bounce through an opening in that hand-operated scoreboard at Fenway. After that, probably the ivy at Wrigley. And does “Hit Sign Win Suit” count?
I’m amazed at how much the umps get right too, even moreso that there hasn’t been anything like a serious umpire game-throwing scandal in, what, ever?
Weird ground rules
You hit the two biggest ones I’ve experienced. The Trop is just ridiculous and I remember the Schmidt hit at the Dome.
How about...
a better variety of national TV games? It’s the Yanks, Red Sox, or Cubs 90% of the time. I know asking for more Pirates national games is a bit of a stretch, but more variety would definitely be nice.
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Nov 21, 2008 4:30 PM EST reply actions
More teams on National Team
I’m not in a position to comment on this point. As I’ve posted previously, on a nationa level it’s all about ratings. The Yanks, Red Sox, Cubs, Dodgers etc. are big market teams that draw well nationally. I’m sure Fox had their fingers and toes crossed for a Red Sox vs. Dodgers World Series.
And Manny 24/7
From the network perspective, the only thing better than two big markets is two big markets AND a pre-packaged, pre-sold storyline.
Network Perspective
Bingo, Vlad. Right on the money.
Baseball is an international game,
so I think one way to entertain and educate most American fans at the same time would be to put km/h next to mph when showing radar gun readings.
I remember the trouble I had getting used to it when watching games in Japan many years ago. I’m not sure if schools do a very good job of teaching the metric system nowadays after not living here for so long.
I don’t like K-Zone or Pitch Track.
An interesting feature you could do next season to provide an international flavor to a broadcast would be a story on Sadaharu Oh, the all-time world leader in HRs who just retired after 50 seasons in Japanese baseball as a player and manager.
It is always an interesting conversation for baseball fans who appreciate the game as it’s played worldwide to speculate on how good Oh-san would have been had he had a chance to play in the U.S.. MLB stars like Davey Johnson-who was a teammate with the Yomiuri Giants in the mid-70s, and guys like Pete Rose who opposed Oh-san in games in Japan with touring MLB All-Star squads, have all said that Oh-san would have been a good MLBer, if not a star player.
There is also a racial angle to pursue because of the discrimination that Oh-san endured during his career from his HS days due to his Chinese father and his lack of Japanese citizenship. (He had a Taiwanese passport and was required to carry a foreigner ID card after the U.S. Occupation ended following WWII.)
One other feature you might consider is to do a story on HS baseball in Japan and the passion with which it is followed by the Japanese people. (I’d say it is something akin to our love of the college football bowl season or March Madness in basketball.)
Japan is divided politically into 47 prefectures. The winners of each prefectural contest meet each summer for a few weeks of games in a nationwide tournament to determine a national HS baseball champ. This is so important that the Hanshin Tigers of Japan’s Central League go on the road for all their games during August for about 3 weeks so the tournament can be played at their home stadium. (Can you imagine any MLB team deferring to a HS baseball competition and not playing at home for the better part of August each year?)
I know my suggestions are a little off-topic from what you are looking for, but I don’t have much to add otherwise to the thoughtful ideas of many Bucs Dugout regulars.
Japanese Baseball
Japanese baseball is something I’m pretty familiar with. I’ve been to Japan four times and I know a couple of Japanese professional baseball executives. I was at the clinch game of the Japan World Series last year. And I know how important high school baseball is there.
Their version of the game is a bit different than ours. Both the game and their culture is very ordered. For instance, they sacrifice bunt a LOT. Giving oneself up for the team is something that fits right in with their sense of the importance of the group. Japanese pitchers don’t often last past their early 30’s because unlike here, after a Japanese pitcher loses a game, the next day he throws a full game’s worth of “hard” pitches to also show he is committed to the team’s success.
Another interesting story involves former US player Randy Bass who played for the Hanshin Tigers. In 1985, he was on a pace to break Sadaharu Oh’s record of 55 home runs in a single season, but fell short by one, because in the last game of the season the pitcher from Oh’s Yomiuri Giants threw only intentional walks (allegedly to prevent the Westerner from breaking Oh’s record though Oh himself is not a Japanese national). The year after Bass won the Japanese Triple Crown, he was called home during the season because his young son was very ill. The Tigers’ executives refused permission to let him go because they considered the team’s needs greater than that of his family. He went anyway.
There is a very interesting book about Japanese baseball if you’re interested called “You Gotta Have Wa” by Thomas Whiting. It’s a great read if you’re the least bit curious about baseball in Japan.
I hope this doesn’t give you the impression I’m down on the Japanese and their version of the game. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I love Japan. It’s a fascinating place. I wish the fans in Oakland were as fervent as those at the The Big Egg (Tokyo Dome).
The story of Sadaharu Oh is an interesting one, but American baseball fans will never accept his record for career home runs, probably for good reason. The fact is that when he played, Japanese professional baseball was probably equivalent to AA ball today. Still, I would hope that ESPN will do his story justice during the upcoming World Baseball Classic in March.
"You Gotta Have Wa" is great
One of my top 3 baseball books all-time, along with “Veeck – As In Wreck” and “Dollar Sign on the Muscle”. Whiting ghost-wrote Warren Cromartie’s autobiography too, and did a decent job of it.
At some point in my lifetime, I’d like to try and catch some games during Koshien.
I don't want to make this into a Japanese baseball thread,
but here’s the link to a three-part series on Sadaharu Oh that Robert Whiting wrote for The Japan Times last month:
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/sb20081029j1.html
Thanks for starting this thread, Mr. Wolfson. It’s been interesting to read what you and others have to say about MLB on TV.

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