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The Houston Astros' Sad Situation

This is a really sad article about the Houston Astros' prospects. Its thesis is, essentially, that last year's trade for Miguel Tejada has been a disaster for the franchise, because the Astros gave up too much and Tejada wasn't good enough, and now he can't be traded.

It's true that the Tejada deal was a bad idea at the time that looks awful now, but that isn't the Astros' only problem. Another problem (to which the article alludes) is that the Astros owe $65 million in guaranteed contracts next year to Tejada, Lance Berkman, Roy Oswalt, Carlos Lee ($18.5 million!) and Kaz Matsui. Their highest payroll this millennium was in 2006, when it was $92 million, so they have virtually no room to maneuver.

The saddest part of the article, though, is this:

Trading [Matt] Albers and [Troy] Patton [to the Orioles in the Tejada trade] crippled an already weak farm system and prevented the Astros from making other moves. Albers would have made a nice piece of a Jake Peavy trade package.

That's insane. Albers turns 26 in January, and he struck out 26 batters against 22 walks in 49 innings as a reliever this year. Could he, in the absence of any sort of context, be a part of a deal for Peavy? To paraphrase an old post at Primer (which also gets a tip of the cap for the link), Albers could be part of a deal for Peavy in the same way as a bowl of Cap'n Crunch could be part of a balanced breakfast, if you include the skim milk and fresh fruit and whole wheat toast.

Unfortunately, the Astros' farm system has no fruit and only a couple scraps of bread crust. They mostly only have sweetened cardboard cereal. There's... pitching prospect Bud Norris, who looks pretty good. And 2008 first-rounder Jason Castro, who's performed well so far but can't be traded yet. And then who? Leandro Cespedes? 2008 draftee Jordan Lyles? In addition to the mess at the big league level, the Astros also have a terrible farm system. They're not a great bet to have another winning season anytime soon. As bad as things are likely to be for the Pirates the next year or two, I don't think I'd trade Pittsburgh's situation for Houston's.

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Just want to say

that it’s Sunday night Thanksgiving week, in the middle of football season with basketball cranking up and hockey going on forever, and Charlie is posting baseball news.

All hail Charlie!

by bucdaddy on Nov 23, 2008 11:20 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, if nobody wanted to read it… well, I’d probably still do it.

Thanks, Bucdaddy.

by Charlie on Nov 23, 2008 11:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As one of the Astros guys

I just want to thank you for seeing through this articles BS. I couldn’t even dignify it with a post because it frustrated it too much.

Our farm system was broke well before Tejada got traded, and Tejada really did just get traded for throw in parts that would have had little value if they weren’t in the Astros farm system.

The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by DyingQuail on Nov 23, 2008 11:35 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to rub salt in the wound, but I agree. Thanks.

by Charlie on Nov 23, 2008 11:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trading a couple of B-/C+ guys for Tejada isn't their problem.

Trading for Tejada was just a garden-variety bad move, a gamble that didn’t pay off.

The real problem in Houston is that they’ve been going cheap on bonuses for years now, and as a result they haven’t been bringing much talent into the system. Losing guys like Albers and Costanzo wouldn’t seem like such a big deal if Houston had any real prospects to compare them to.

At least Bogusevic is doing well in his conversion to a hitter.

by Vlad on Nov 24, 2008 9:15 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Coincidentally, BA just posted this comment about the Astros cutting RHP David Dinelli:

The Astros’ lamentable 2007 draft went from bad to worse when Houston cut Dinelli, its sixth-round pick form Sierra (Calif.) JC, after he compiled a 7.26 ERA in 53 pro innings, all at the short-season level. Making it worse still, he was the second player they signed from that draft. The Astros didn’t have a first- or second-round pick, and they failed to sign either their third- or fourth-rounder.

by WTM on Nov 24, 2008 12:32 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why you hatin' on the Cap'n?

Cap’n Crunch® is a great-tasting, crunchy sweetened corn and oat cereal your whole family will love. It’s an excellent source of seven essential vitamins and minerals, is low in fat, and contains 0 grams of trans fat.

The virtues of sweetened (and almost always low-fat and vitamin fortified) cereals was one of my bread and butter topics of speeches in college.

by azibuck on Nov 24, 2008 2:14 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I live down here in Corpus Christi, TX

the site of the Astros AA team and let me say with the rising ticket prices, this is the first time I have watched baseball and wanted my money back…they are BAD. But with that said, I have watched Matt Albers play and Troy Patton. Either would have been better than Tejada…..Tejada is a washed up has been. Wade Phillips has done wiped out the team of what little it had for old players…and there biggest acquisition is Wolfe….its sad, and to top it off the Astros fans think that they are good and will be good next year, very very delusional fans down here, makes me glad to be a pirate fan, we are realistic.

And for matt albers he was so so, but Troy Patton was lights out until he got hurt, I hope he regains that ability, when they traded him I was mad, like when the Rangers traded then AA pitcher John Danks, for a guy who has been hurt for 2 years. the Texas teams are ran by special ED kids, hence why no WS rings exist down here

10 Quality Starts in a row/Aug. 08 - BUT now we can't hit:(

by .500 Please on Nov 25, 2008 9:39 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for your comment. For what it’s worth, a friend of mine who watches the AAA team at Round Rock every once in a while says exactly the same thing you said about Corpus Christi.

by Charlie on Nov 28, 2008 11:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lidge trade

The Tejada trade would have been a lot worse if Albers and Patton hadn’t gotten hurt. Before his injury, Albers was one of Baltimore’s better relievers. The Lidge trade was a worse trade. They traded Lidge for a fourth outfielder. Lidge was one of the best closers in the game last year. The Astro’s then traded what little was left in their farm system to pick up a closer to replace him.

by uneasy rider on Nov 29, 2008 6:26 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Patton was already hurt.

That’s part of the reason that the Astros were willing to trade him.

The Lidge trade was stupid, in that it was patently obvious that Bourn wouldn’t hit enough to start in the majors. Neither one is a franchise-killer, however, since Houston’s level of overall system talent was so poor. They were already dead even before they started making ill-advised moves.

by Vlad on Dec 1, 2008 9:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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