Rule 5 Roundup: Pirates Take Donald Veal, Lose Kyle Bloom
The Pirates took Cubs starter Donald Veal with the fourth pick in the Rule 5 draft today. Veal looked like an excellent prospect after dominating Classes A and A+ in 2006, but he has always struggled with control, and those struggles bit him badly in Class AA in 2007 and then even worse at AA in 2008. He still has pretty good strikeout rates and a pretty good curveball, and he's a smart guy--his goal coming out of high school was to become a doctor. So maybe he listens to the Pirates' coaches and makes some adjustments to pitch out of the bullpen.
The player I wanted, Eduardo Morlan of the Rays, was still available when the Pirates picked, and he ended up going to the Brewers with the 16th pick. The advantage of picking someone like Veal over someone like Morlan is that Veal is a starting pitcher, so if the Pirates can get him ironed out, they have a valuable property indeed. My guess is that Morlan will end up being a good reliever, but a starter is more valuable. The problem, in my view, is that given Veal's consistent control problems and his struggles the past two years, the chances that he'll get turned around this year are extremely remote. It's also possible, though, that the Pirates see something about Veal they can fix. Also, Baseball America wrote today that Morlan's velocity dropped off this year.
The Tigers took pitcher Kyle Bloom with the eighth overall pick. As I wrote earlier today, this is a shame, because Bloom was one of only a handful of Pirates starting pitching prospects and one of an even smaller number who were anywhere near the majors. There's no good excuse for having lost him. The Post-Gazette explains:
Asked about leaving Bloom exposed after such a strong fall [in Hawaii winter ball], [Neal Huntington] replied: "I think it was a combination of an experienced Class AA pitcher in essentially a Class A league. Historically, left-handed pitchers with changeups do very well in A-ball leagues. And I think Kyle, to his credit, made some adjustments, his velocity came up a little bit. Even if you talk with him, he knows he exploited some A-ball hitters out there. But look, Detroit made a good selection."
This is a little like what Bloom himself said a couple weeks ago:
"Honestly, it's just fastball command," Bloom said. "A lot of these (the hitters) are from Class A ball, so they're pretty aggressive on fastball. So what I usually try to do is initiate the inside part of the plate and then use my off-speed if I fall behind, kind of keep them honest. Mainly, it's just moving my fastball in and out."
That's fine. But to me, Bloom bordered on being a keeper even before the excellent fall performance, which drew notice even if he racked up those stats in a way that said little about his future big league capabilities.
Anyway, in the first round of the AAA phase, the Bucs took Andres Santos of the Yankees. He's a lefty who posted great numbers in the DSL but was too old for the league. In the second round, they grabbed Rafael Quintero from the Indians who, judging from his listed size (6'1", 145) is a ridiculously skinny righty who also dominated the DSL. Quintero recently turned 21. In the third round they picked Gerardo Esparza from the Mariners. Esparza pitched pretty well in the VSL as a 20-year-old in 2008.
There are some pretty interesting comments about these picks in the Post-Gazette:
The Pirates, as mentioned above, claimed three players in the minor league phase of the Rule 5, all out of Latin American summer leagues. Well, shortly after that happened, people from two of those three teams approached a Pirates official to ask how that happened. Nobody looks for Rule 5 guys down there -- for reasons I am not sure I understand -- and most teams, apparently, do not go so far as to determine which of them is eligible.
How bizarre.
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Hats off to the organization
for all their hard work on the Rule V draft. Let’s hope some of the guys taken in the minor league phase make it to the bigs in a few years.
I liked this comment from Dejan’s blog about the draft:
“The event starts at noon Pittsburgh time, and the Pirates pick fourth, with Baltimore right behind them. Drafts in that sequence have not gone well for the club in recent years.”
by patthatt on Dec 11, 2008 7:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Whatever the reasons,
I like that Huntington gives explanations rooted in logic and spoken in clear English. Unlike He Who Shall Not Be Named.
by bucdaddy on Dec 11, 2008 8:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
Littlefield was incomprehensible when he spoke in Parseltongue. I never could quite understand why the Snake drafted Moskos instead of Wieters, but that’s all old news now.
by patthatt on Dec 11, 2008 8:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Welcome change
In the past regime, they would have asked teams how they could pick players out of the DSL / VSL.
by njpiratefan on Dec 12, 2008 8:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Where do the minor league guys play in 2009?
They all put us great stats in the DSL and VSL. Do they get a shot at Hickory or can be assigned to Bradenton? I would think that at their ages, Santos for sure, giving them a shot in Hickory would be wise choice.
by Chad Bahamas on Dec 12, 2008 8:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
They had a couple Latin pitchers (Wilson Ortiz and Ramon Aguero) last year who were making their US debut at slightly older ages who were sent to State College. That’s my guess for Santos at least. I wouldn’t be surprised to see any of them at West Virginia (no more Hickory for the Bucs) at least briefly, either, because the practice seems to be to rotate some pitchers between low A and extended spring training until the short season leagues start play.
by WTM on Dec 12, 2008 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to miss Hickory.
It was a reasonable road trip for me when I was in college, so there was a lot of sentimental value there. And my mom even came up with a Crawdad-themed dance to do when things went well in games.
by Vlad on Dec 12, 2008 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crawdad-themed dance?
There’s just nothing quite like minor league baseball.
by WTM on Dec 12, 2008 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite in-game promotion.
By far: The Pizza Scream.
In case you’ve never been, it’s just what it sounds like. Every usher carries out a piping-hot pizza, and then they give it to whoever in their section screams the loudest. Pandemonium.
by Vlad on Dec 12, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite
Was a raffle at Hagerstown. Not the raffle itself, though, but the fact that some drunken fans near me who’d been heckling Dave Clark the whole game got ejected for heckling the food and beverage manager when they didn’t win the raffle.
by WTM on Dec 12, 2008 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you put up video?
I’ve never seen a crawdad dance. I had a crawdad po’boy once, though.
by bucdaddy on Dec 12, 2008 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No video, sorry
It was kind of like the twist, but with claw-snapping motions for the hands.
by Vlad on Dec 12, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a good strategy to me. None of the three players threw for a lot of innings last year, so short season ball and maybe a few cups of coffee in A ball seems to be a good fit. I also wasn’t sure the difference in competition between the DSL/VSL and Hick…West Virginia. They’ll be fun to watch next year. Almost Crawdad-themed dancing fun.
by Chad Bahamas on Dec 12, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you implying
we West Virginians are hicks? That would include your site host, y’know. ;-)
by bucdaddy on Dec 13, 2008 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Represent
This is probably not the place to hate on Dub V.
by EmmaOMG on Dec 13, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not if you ever
want to see Pedro Alvarez play at Charleston, cause we can make your life uncomfortable at the border.
by bucdaddy on Dec 13, 2008 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You Mountaineers are a sensitive lot
I can’t even tell if you’re joking.
by azibuck on Dec 13, 2008 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Baby Veal?
Any chance this guy is in the lineage of the old flame thrower Bob Veal?
by GeneClines on Dec 12, 2008 6:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You Know
Old Bob Veal was the Grandaddy of Gangsta. Kinda like Frenchy Fuqua who came a little later. Mr. Veal was brick number 2 of 3 bricks shy of a load. It was only a few years from his departure that the Pirates won the 71 series….And don’t get me started on Mud Cat Grant!
by GeneClines on Dec 12, 2008 7:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Slow down there, Geno
Bob Veal was 6-0 in relief for the 1971 Pirates. A truly awful ERA (over 6, I think), but still a valuable player. The dude’s got his ring.
Veale’s 1971 Pirate stint is discussed in the recent book “The Team That Changed Baseball: Roberto Clemente and the 1971 Pittsburgh Pirates” IIRC, Veale relieved Dock Ellis in the 9/1/71 game that was the first time in ML history that 9 African-Americans started. (Al Oliver would have been on 1B instead of Bob Roberston, which meant you were probably the starting CF, Gene Clines.)
Veale was the number one pitcher for the PBC in the mid-late ’60’s. He was a left-handed Bob Gibson type — had a truly overpowering fastball, competed like hell, but played for a mediocre team.
(Met his sister in LA several years after he retired. She was very nice — gave me one of his Topps cards.)
by WstCstBucco on Dec 12, 2008 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Used to sweat a ton
as I recall, constantly mopping at his glasses. Big, powerful looking big man. Terrible hitter. Had a 1.04 ERA (not a typo) in 34 games in 1963. He somehow timed his career perfectly to spend his prime as a hard-throwing lefty in the second deadball era, and thus put up big strikeout numbers for three seasons. Give him credit, it must not have been all rule changes; he was under league ERA seven of his first eight seasons and just about matched it his ninth.
The numerologist in me loves that he had records of 18-12, 17-12, 16-12 in consecutive seasons.
In my past life as a sportswriter I tried to interview him once at an old timers’ game. He didn’t want to talk much.
by bucdaddy on Dec 13, 2008 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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