Yankees Give Mark Teixeira a Gajillion Dollars
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Why baseball is the worst of the 4 major sports
No cap, nobody plays for the love of the game,no code of ethics, no more watching a game by me again….period
by beanboy on
Dec 23, 2008 6:37 PM EST
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Not sure why a Pirate fan would mind
This is a good thing. Let the Yankees and Red Sox conduct their nuclear arms race. The only teams really being hurt are Tampa, Toronto and the O’s. Leaves the NL wide open year after year.
by WTM on
Dec 23, 2008 7:22 PM EST
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Until the teams in the NL
get to the WS.
by UtesFan89 on
Dec 23, 2008 9:41 PM EST
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The Phillies played the Rays.
It’s a bit different when a team is playing against the team that has managed to buy pretty much every FA available (slight exaggeration, I admit)
by UtesFan89 on
Dec 24, 2008 8:02 AM EST
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The Rays won 97 games
In their last four championship seasons, the Yankees won more than that only twice and just one more once, and the division was probably tougher this year than in any past season under the current alignment. What difference does it make how they got the talent?
by WTM on
Dec 24, 2008 12:49 PM EST
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Empathy?
The only teams really being hurt are Tampa, Toronto and the O’s.
I know this is a Pirates blog, but if the system is bad, some of us care.
by wfflprince on
Dec 24, 2008 9:30 AM EST
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I don't think anything is wrong yet
The legendary Econolodge once argued successfully against a salary cap.
We know this isn’t an instant World Series win for the Yankees. I thought so before the 2006 season. But they’re favorites.
It’s not messed up until someone wins 5-10 World Series in a row on payroll strength. I don’t think that’s going to happen.
by Bukanier on
Dec 23, 2008 7:24 PM EST
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Since there’s zero chance of a salary (more accurately a payroll) cap happening, it seems pointless to keep discussing it all the time.
by WTM on
Dec 23, 2008 7:32 PM EST
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I'm not that legendary.
Formerly known as Econolodge
by Willton on
Dec 24, 2008 2:06 PM EST
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I don't get it.
Of course baseball should have a cap. But it doesn’t. So using their wealth of resources to try and field the best team year after year somehow makes the Yankees “wrong” for baseball? If you want to blame someone, blame the admin, or ALL the owners, or the MLBPA. The Yankees are doing what any other team would be doing in their situation. It doesn’t help that their the most popular team in the league to play for, either. Can someone convince me that all this animosity is anything but sour grapes?
Bukanier makes a good point; after people get over being angry, the usual response is “well, it doesn’t help them that much anyway.” Fine, you may have a point. So chuckle when this happens, don’t blow your stack.
by Carnival Matleuse on
Dec 23, 2008 7:33 PM EST
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It’d take a loooooong work stoppage to get a cap and the owners are very happy with the game’s structure right now. Nobody wants a work stoppage because everybody’s making lots of money. It’s one of the reasons I prefer Nutting to McClatchy. Little Kevin whined endlessly about how he was going to work for changes in the financial structure, as a way of excusing his incompetence. But he never had a shred of support from the other owners because they were HAPPY with the system. At least Nutting is honest enough not to whine about something he knows damn well isn’t going to change.
by WTM on
Dec 23, 2008 7:43 PM EST
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Nutting Is Clueless ... But McClatchy Was Even Worse!
Nutting just goes along with whatever he is told by the establishment. McClatchy made some noise, but nobody ever listened to him.
by thegunner on
Dec 23, 2008 7:49 PM EST
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So which is it?
What is Nutting supposed to do aside from “go along?” Whine endlessly like McClatchy, knowing there’s no support among the owners for changing the system? (I’m sure McClatchy knew that perfectly well—his whining was just the only way he could think of to excuse his own bungling.) Is he supposed to try to talk the owners, who are raking in money, into shutting down a system that’s making them a fortune for a couple of years in order to pursue changes they don’t need and may never get, and that may not work well even if they get them? What kind of an idiot would waste his time like that? I’m far happier with an owner who doesn’t try to blame George Steinbrenner for his own failures.
by WTM on
Dec 23, 2008 8:25 PM EST
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Why does everybody want a salary cap?
Most teams now have a payroll around $90-100M. You think that if they add a cap, it’ll be at $60M? Dream on.
What we actually need is a payroll floor that scales with gross revenue for the sport, coupled with a system for sharing local media broadcast revenues between the home team and the visiting team on individual games. Maybe a system of sharing gate receipts as well.
by Vlad on
Dec 23, 2008 8:10 PM EST
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It'd just make things worse
A payroll cap would be set at a level that would distribute the talent currently on the Yankees and Red Sox more evenly to teams like the Cardinals and Astros, and leave the Pirates in an even worse position.
by WTM on
Dec 23, 2008 8:18 PM EST
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No, it won't be $60M.
But maybe it’ll stop teams from spending $150M+.
by UtesFan89 on
Dec 23, 2008 9:39 PM EST
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$150 Million is chump change to NYY
Their top 9 players will make $159M next year.
MLB’s gotta do something.
$27M luxury tax bill that NYY got Monday isn’t slowing them down at all. Somthing’s gotta change with the CBA
by WstCstBucco on
Dec 24, 2008 2:20 AM EST
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This will make it just that much more fun
to watch the Rays kick their ass this year.
by bucdaddy on
Dec 23, 2008 8:22 PM EST
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My thoughts exactly
The Yankees are loading up, but the Rays are still the favorie.
by DITO on
Dec 23, 2008 11:23 PM EST
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Rays are the favorite?
In what universe?
With all the Yankee additions, and more to come (Manny’s next?), NYY is going to buy the pennant for once and for all.
Yankees already own the 4 largest contracts in the history of baseball. ARod, Jeter, CC and now Teixaira. They are not done. They’re like “Mongo” – don’t shoot them. Missing the playoffs last year just made them mad.
I love the folks who post that MLB is not out of whack until some club wins 5 world series in a row. Way to drink the Kool Aid. How many WS has NYY won? Compared to any other team? That’s the imbalance. The draft, the reserve clause, and now the luxury tax didn’t change it. The PBC aspires to be competitive — but under this system whenever a team like the Rays or even the Red Sox challenge the NYY, they can just decide to buy every single player and crush the competition.
We’ve got over 100 years of data, guys. The NYY is the star of this show and the PBC is just one of the spear carriers. Yeah PBC beat them 48 years ago — but it took virtually a miracle. Just ask Billy Crystal if you don’t believe me.
Expectations are just different. NYY misses the playoffs one year and the fans are ready to lynch Yankee management if they don’t pick up virtually all free agents. But I’m still a PBC fan despite 16 years of futility — I can’t stop having flashbacks to Bob Moose throwing a wild pitch in the 1972 playoffs against the Big Red Machine.
The Yankees work like Reese’s rant about the T-800: “You still don’t get it, do you? He’ll find her! That’s what he does! It’s all he does! You can’t stop him! He’ll wait for you! He’ll reach down her throat and tear her fuckin’ heart out!”
by WstCstBucco on
Dec 24, 2008 3:01 AM EST
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Well
I never said “the MLB is not out of whack until some club wins 5 world series in a row,” so you can throw that out.
Big contracts don’t exactly = a world series, right, you do still have to actually play the games, right???
Maybe I’m confused.
Look, Tampa won the AL East last year. They were young and inexperienced, are a year older now, and upgraded their corner outfield. Sure Sabathia and Burnett are studs, but so are Kazmir and Shields, and Tampa’s staff is a whole hell of a lot deeper. The Yanks have depth in the outfield, but they will still start the season with Nady in a corner, which, though I may be wrong about him, doesn’t impress me at all. I don’t know who is going to play centerfield, but whoever it is will be a defensive liability.
Of course the Yankees are loaded, but they are not unstoppable.
If they sign Manny, maybe they get a little closer to being unstoppable.
by DITO on
Dec 24, 2008 10:25 AM EST
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but are yankee fans any happier?
These purchases set expectations at world series win level. No one from ownership down will be happy if this team just makes the playoffs, or wins the division, or makes it to the alcs.
And even if the new yankees have good odds of winning it all, from how it looks now, I wouldn’t take them over the field before a single game has been played. If they lose 3 games in a row, people are going to go crazy.
by vherub on
Dec 24, 2008 9:16 AM EST
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I would have a hard time believing...
that Yankees fans are depsondent because their ownership has bolstered their chances of winning the World Series.
So to answer your question: Yes. Despite the additional burden of increased expectations, I am confident that Yankees fans are happier today than the day before yesterday.
Your post seems to suggest that we should all regret being born because it increased our chances of dying.
Good day.
by Uncle Nate on
Dec 24, 2008 9:27 AM EST
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Not what he asked.
He was wondering if Yankee fans are going to be very disappointed in the (still very probable) event that they don’t win the World Series.
by shayborg on
Dec 24, 2008 3:36 PM EST
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I don't agree
I grew up in New England and root for the Red Sox (the Pirates have always been my NL team). I think Teixiera is a great player, but I wouldn’t have been any happier if the Red Sox signed him. It’s much more gratifying to see players who came up through the system (Youk, Pedroia, Lowrie etc.) lead the team to victory. In fact, I would be a little gloomy if the Pirates won the World Series by buying Sabathia, Tex and Manny. It would seem like we were taking a shortcut. The journey to building a good team is more important than the end result. I admit I’m not the typical fan, but I know I’m not alone.
by bolton on
Dec 24, 2008 3:41 PM EST
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This is the type of stuff that really pisses me off
I thought that it was generally conceded years ago that baseball is not a level playing field because of the economics. I thought we were done with the silly arguments that the egregiously lopsided economics of the game don’t matter to on-field play because the A’s and Twins are decent most years and the Yankees haven’t won a WS this millennium. Please spare me.
Everybody knows that a prerequisite to being a contender is intelligent baseball decision making. Everybody knows that incomprehensibly and inexcusably poor management is solely to blame for the last 16 years of Pirates futility and embarrassment. Everybody knows that money can’t buy the intelligent decision making critical to winning a championship. Blah, blah, blah.
But the suggestion that the Pirates would have a fair opportunity to compete if they simply made intelligent baseball decisions is absurd.
The more money a team has, the more freedom it has to make decisions for pure baseball reasons and the greater margin of error it is afforded in its decision making.
Since about 2003, I have been of the mindset that Pirates fans shouldn’t bitch about the economics of the game because the competence of our front office has not risen to a point where it matters. However, no such restriction should be on fans of the Indians, Brewers or Rockies. Or, for that matter, the Angels.
Professional sports exist because they make money by drawing fans. Fans are drawn to the competition between the multiple competitors for a goal (in this case the World Series) that only one competitor can achieve at a time. You need to have a minimum number of competitors legitimately competing for the goal in order for the chase to be of enough interest to retain fans. FANS = MONEY = LEAGUE SUCCESS.
If we are not going to create a reasonable opportunity for intelligent teams to succeed on the field over the long haul, then why should 80% of the fans stick around? Is it good for the fans when 10% of the teams are legally pirating the best players or creating a salary structure that hamstrings 90% of the teams? If you really are a fan of the game (as opposed to merely of a single team), would you rather see a 6 team league or a competitive league along the lines of the NHL or NFL?
Why should a devout Pirate supporter continue to be a baseball fan?
Do you consider yourself a Washington General’s fan? Explain your answer.
Is “economic structure” of your fantasy league similar to that of major league baseball? Discuss why or why not.
I don’t pretend to know the best way to fix the economics thereby leveling the playing field (though a salary cap, salary floor, and a minimum baseball product financial commitment requirement from owners is a good start), but the suggestion that we shouldn’t try is exactly why Pirates fans are dwindling faster than the stock market. There is no hope.
If the economics continue along the current path, it won’t just be Pirates fans that lose hope and stop supporting the franchise. Barring a change, it is reasonable to expect a ripple effect across baseball and eventually baseball won’t be making huge money. It doesn’t take a lot of foresight to see that some key preventative maintenance is long overdue.
Good grief. Good day. Merry Christmas.
by Uncle Nate on
Dec 24, 2008 9:16 AM EST
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glad u got that rant off your chest, Uncle
BTW the stock market will rise again (always does) like the bucs. In this holiday season, try the “glass half full” attitude. You’ll feel better. You can always resume bitching again when the season starts.
Merry Christmas to you and yours.
by buc4ever on
Dec 24, 2008 9:42 AM EST
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The stuff that pisses me off
Uncle Nate and WstCstBucco act like they know something that everyone else doesn’t, and they rant and rave against statements that WERE NOT EVEN MADE.
Nate…can you tell me where this is from?
But the suggestion that the Pirates would have a fair opportunity to compete if they simply made intelligent baseball decisions is absurd.
by DITO on
Dec 24, 2008 10:34 AM EST
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Maybe it came from the future
Because I’d certainly argue it!
Fat lot of good all that money’s done the Mets, Rangers, Orioles, Mariners…
by matskralc on
Dec 24, 2008 4:27 PM EST
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Not making it up
I’m just responding to the posts, folks. From up-thread, and I quote:
“It’s not messed up until someone wins 5-10 World Series in a row on payroll strength.”
Quote today from owner of Milwaukee Brewers (via Bloomberg News), who’s done IMHO a damn good job of competing under the current system with maybe 10% of the resources available to NYY:
“At the rate the Yankees are going, I’m not sure anyone can compete with them, Frankly, the sport might need a salary cap.”
Face it — they sky is falling.
For several years Cashman has been ordered by George S. to develop the farm system and try to reduce the payroll to maybe 20-30% more than Red Sox. That’s how DiceK and a few other free agents got away. But the combination of Hank S. taking over and missing the playoffs for the first time in 13 years and the new revenue stream offered by the new Stadium has put the NYY into a position to show how weak the competitive balance provisions of the CBA are.
Uncle Nate don’t need me to defend him. He’s so articulate he can easily defend himself. But it’s clearly more than just him and me that are “ranting and raving.”
Final quote — from today’s LA Times:
“Man, that’s crazy,” Angels center fielder Torii Hunter said. “Those damn Yankees! They don’t play around. When they’re trying to win, they’re trying to win. It’s crazy. They just paid $27 million in luxury tax. That’s like 27 dollars to them. They don’t even care.”
Merry Christmas and Let’s Go Bucs.
God Bless Us, Everyone.
by WstCstBucco on
Dec 24, 2008 4:55 PM EST
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The sky is not falling here
It’s blowing sideways at the moment, real hard. But seriously, why is the sky falling NOW? Was it falling in 2001-05 when NYY signed or acquired the salaries of Giambi, A-Rod, Sheffield, Matsui, Mussina, Kevin Brown, Pavano. And later taking on Abreu and Pettitte again?
From Buster Olney’s column:
“The Yankees indeed shed $88.5 million from their books (included in that total — $23.4 million on Jason Giambi, $16 million on Bobby Abreu, and $11 million to both Mike Mussina and Carl Pavano), and even with the Teixeira contract, they expect their payroll to fall below $200 million.”
The only difference from the last several years is that these signings came in a bunch so it seems like the Yankees have taken it up a notch, when really, they’ve taken it down. That, and Sabathia’s better than any pitcher they’ve gotten in a long time.
by azibuck on
Dec 24, 2008 11:00 PM EST
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You responded to me directly
and argued a bunch of points I never made.
by DITO on
Dec 25, 2008 11:02 PM EST
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Washington Generals FanClub
I appreciate lots of these comments and arguments here, but wanted to share something that I came to a long time ago (I mean, seriously, everything was fine, and then the Yanks signed Teixeira, and now we’re pissed?). I don’t support the Pirates because I want to root for a champion and/or be assured of winning baseball. Many easier ways to do that. I mean, sure, I’m happier when they win, and nobody would be happier than to see the sixth world series title (and I reserve the right to rant against our management when they’re awful), but I’ve stopped needing this. I assume we root for them because of our shared experiences, whether in Western PA, or watching the games, or remembering the past players, or wishing we got Stargell stars when we do something well. So the Yankees buy another title…heck, our great grandparents could say the same thing. We’re Pirates fans. I love having the Yankees as the bad guys. Maybe others feel differently. Just my 2 cents. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you all.
by jperb on
Dec 24, 2008 3:30 PM EST
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