Cincinnati vs. Pittsburgh, 12 April 2008
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
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It's Bronson Arroyo and Ian Snell at PNC at 7:05. This one's on FOX Sports. Here's the box - Doug Mientkiewicz starts at third!
A couple links while you wait:
-P- Paul Bako is currently the Reds' starting catcher. His OPS+s the last four years: 47, 78, 28, and 42. As a Pirates fan, I commend the Reds for giving Bako playing time. I'm not saying this explains everything about last night's game, but if you start Bako and Norris Hopper, you have to expect that you'll have some games where you don't score any runs.
-P- Lou Piniella says he may remove Rich Hill from the Cubs' rotation. He says this after two starts! In which Hill allowed only five total runs in nine innings! As a Pirates fan, I would enthusiastically endorse this move, too.
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Didn't 'Sweet Lou' once manage winning teams?
On the other hand, he managed to fail to get to the World Series with Jr., ARod and the Unit, three of the greatest players ever to play....
Steve Z
First and third after Paulino fails to gun down a runner caught leaning off second. No outs.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 7:09 PM EDT reply actions
Mientkiewicz starting at 3rd...
Bixler at short.
No Bautista, and no Rivas. Let's see how this goes.
Biased Fan
A disillusioned Pirates fan in Utah...
Good play by Bixler. That might've been 1-0 if Rivas were in. :)
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 7:13 PM EDT reply actions
Actually,
if Rivas was in, Snell would've been so pissed off that he would probably have given up a 3-run homer, just to show Russell that he screwed up.
Biased Fan
A disillusioned Pirates fan in Utah...
Did hell just freeze over?
RoPaul actually caught a throw at the plate to tag a runner out.
Yes. For a second he actually looked like a catcher.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
One run
is not going to be enough to win this game, with the way the ball appears to be carrying tonight.
Good point. I think we'll see a couple homers before this one's over.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
1-2-3 for Snell. Looks like McLouth's having an adventure in CF, though - first Dunn hit a fly ball about a mile high, and then Votto hit a routine fly that kept carrying and carrying and nearly went out.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply actions
You know, Mientkiewicz really is receiving more playing time than you'd like to see from a guy of his talent.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply actions
You have to pick someone
every night, and give them time...
Unless you move Freddy to 3rd, Jack/Bixler at short, and Gomez at 2nd.
But then you've got Gomez, who might be better than the others, but same thing...
Biased Fan
A disillusioned Pirates fan in Utah...
Yeah, you can't count on Gomez hitting nearly as well as he has so far. He's like Mientkiewicz and Bautista - perfectly useful, but if he gets too many at bats, you've got a problem.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice. Lucky that wasn't a DP, but now we've got runners on second and third and no outs.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions
Votto screwed that up because he was thinking of the DP.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions
"Bambi" is a funny nickname. He's kind of a boyish looking dude, too.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Reds catchers
Did I miss something? What happened to David Ross?
I'm not sure, but I think he's rehabbing something at AAA. No idea what happened to Javier Valentin.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, is he? I thought it was Bako. Never mind.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a bad play at third by Mientkiewicz!
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions
Another scoreless inning!
But Snell is living dangerously right now.
Biased Fan
A disillusioned Pirates fan in Utah...
Wow, Mientkiewicz actually looks like a pretty good third baseman.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions
Thunder, maybe we'll have to revise our prediction about homers.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply actions
Naah...I'll stick with mine.
I don't see the pitchers keeping the ball down all night.
Double by Mientkiewicz. Not out by 10 feet this time!
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions
Low. There are already two strikes, and Snell's a good bunter.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I tell you what McClellan's got
a generous strike zone for Arroyo
And Dunn
might say that the strike zone is generous for Snell, too.
There it is
'Bout time Freddy got a hit
1st hit in 20ABs I believe
Take em home Bay!
Heart of Darkness
is a good book though.
Nothing about the "heart of the line-up" suggests a good read though.
Biased Fan
A disillusioned Pirates fan in Utah...
It slowly rolled past Phillips toward RF
from what I said on TV!
Put it this way
if the ball that Nady hit would have hit you between the eyes...you probably would not have blinked.
That's
two ropes to start off the inning. Not a good sign, even though Snell's only around 80 pitches.
Relax Snell!
Just threw a nice slider and see if we can turn two!
6 IP, 3 earned runs
Isn't that what we're calling a "quality start" in MLB these days? Caught part of an HBO special on baseball in the 60's today. Some of the pitching greats mentioned - Marichel, Gibson, etc., - would consider 3 runs in 6 IP grounds for retirement.
Why the need for quotes? In today's run scoring environment, that's perfectly good.
Not that this is explicitly what you were doing, but I don't see the need to compare these guys to Bob Gibson, as if they're worthless pantywaists in comparison. The game is different now. Wouldn't it make just as much sense to claim that batters in the '60s were wusses compared to those of today because Carl Yazstremski won a batting title with a .301 average?
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Gah...
left with us up 2-0.
Come back and it's tied at 3.
Come on Snell...
Biased Fan
A disillusioned Pirates fan in Utah...
Griffey
my first thought on his catch of Paulino's line drive was "What did he injure now?"
Great
Reds new pitcher is a former Pirate #1 pick (or high-level prospect). Nelson Figuero, a former Pirates washout did well yesterday. And we all know about Oliver P.
U mean Mike Lincoln?
You know the one who ran over a golf ball and got injured during spring training?
Not one of ours
He pitched for the Pirates...but was drafted by Minnesota.
Was Mike Lincoln ever a highly regarded prospect? I don't remember that.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 12, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I've always liked Chris Duffy
but it's a shame that he was blocking Nate. Hopefully the new regime will be a little more aggressive in promoting young players who have earned it.
Both the Yanks and the Mets have young players from their farm systems making contributions to the ML team now. Both shipped off older, "established" vets who the Pirates would have kept long past their prime.
Speaking of which, who do we have as a fifth starter to replace Matt M?
S**** the money
I'd send Morris down to Hickory right now if we had a pitcher who could provide the innings he plugs in right now. I mean, what could they do, give up 7 earned runs every start or something?
Be careful
what you wish for. JVB has his his ERA below 3 at Indy.
Three possibilities with Dunn
GIDP, K or a 7-4 game.
OK I'll answer my own ?
Hosmer if the Bucs can overcome that Boras stigma. He's got crazy power!
Burnett
on to pitch in a save situation for JVB in Indy, same score as this game, but in the 9th.
If JVB can give us the innings,
bring him up and send Morris to Hickory. Insult him. Make him want to earn his 8 mil.
LaRoche
is it me...or does it seem like LaRoche is pulling his head off the ball? Didn't even look like he was looking at the pitch when he hit it on this AB.
Who got the best of this deal?
We got Morris - that normally could close the discussion right there, but Rajai Davis is hitting .077 as a starting CF f/the Giants. I saw a highlight yesterday where he played a sure out into a triple. So who got the better of this deal?
Isn't it possible
for both teams to come out losers?
Biased Fan
A disillusioned Pirates fan in Utah...
Depends on what the Pirates can get out of Morris
Either a compensation 2nd round pick or a low-level prospect
Obviously
The Giants!! They don't have to pay $10M.
You have to wonder how long
the Bucs will keep him up. Leaving him in the rotation is like playing your A-level minor league line-up every fifth day. It's almost better to give the other team a W and let our guys soak in the sauna. The new regime did not give him the big contract or bring him on board. But if they keep him around just to keep him around, they will share some of the blame.
What if Morris retires?
Do the Bucs still have to eat his salary?
If he retires
Pirates probably would not be responsible for Morris' salary. If they cut or waive him, they are definitely on the hook for his salary.
that was a really high throw by LaRoche
don't think Rivas could catch it
Bucs announcers
made it sound like Bixler was out of position or missed the bag. Didn't mention anything bad about LaR's toss.
He missed the bag
because he was about 2 feet off the ground trying to catch the throw.
Guess Hopper
has been taking sliding lessons from Nyjer Morgan.
Griffey-Phillips-Dunn due up in the 9th
I think that's a high % that 1 of the 3 will hit one out of the part!
Well then...
Paulino, Bixler & Gomez will have to start something against Coffey, adding a couple of runs just to be safe.
Biased Fan
A disillusioned Pirates fan in Utah...
Paulino-Bambi-Gomez
I think that's a high % that all three will get on, leading to a 10 run outburst
drinking Canadian beer, so
I'm having delusions of adequacy
by Trogluddite on Apr 12, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Of the 5 wins
4 have been won by ONE RUN
Snell is now 2-0
Snell's sacrifice
ended up helping him get the win for himself.
We had 'em all the waay!
Seriously, our bullpen is doing well. Numbers are badly distorted by the first game blow up by Capps and Marte.
Johnny Cueto will be tough
Gorzo has to pitch better
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