Introducing... the Worst GM Poll!
Some of you may remember Dodger Math's hilariously nasty Worst GM Poll from 2006, in which Dave Littlefield flattened the competition and took home the trophy.
Well, Littlefield has since moved on to littler and worse things, and so have several other top contenders from that poll. Immediately after Littlefield was fired, I contacted Andrew from Dodger Math, who now helps run the SBN Dodgers blog True Blue LA. Neither I nor others at SB Nation could get an email through to him, though, so I had to put the idea on hold. Tonight, however, Andrew showed up in the game thread here at Bucs Dugout, so I was able to get his permission. Cheers to him, and please visit Andrew's blog.
Here's how this will work. I have taken the liberty of selecting twelve GMs to participate in the contest, and organizing them into seeds. I don't actually think all of them are bad, but I want y'all to have a lot of choices. Those twelve or so will compete against each other, tournament-style, until we have a winner.
I will begin by listing the ones I didn't select, and why. If you think you can make a case that any of these 18 GMs are among, say, the five worst in baseball, make it in the comments. If you can make a particularly funny or insightful case, or if there's lots of popular support for someone, I'll consider adding them to the tournament.
Here are the non-contenders:
| NAME | TEAM | COMMENTS |
| Frank Wren | Braves | Not enough info |
| Pat Gillick | Phillies | Good track record |
| Jim Bowden | Nationals | Great work last two years |
| Michael Hill | Marlins | Not enough info |
| Doug Melvin | Brewers | Good track record |
| John Mozeliak | Cardinals | Not enough info |
| Neal Huntington | Pirates | Not enough info |
| Josh Byrnes | D'Backs | Promising so far |
| Andy MacPhail | Orioles | Promising so far; not sure who's really in charge here |
| Brian Cashman | Yankees | Despite budget, tough to argue success |
| Theo Epstein | Red Sox | Great track record |
| Andrew Friedman | Rays | Promising so far |
| Mark Shapiro | Indians | Great track record |
| Bill Smith | Twins | Not enough info |
| Dave Dombrowski | Tigers | Very good track record |
| Dayton Moore | Royals | Promising so far |
| Tony Reagins | Angels | Not enough info |
| Billy Beane | A's | Great track record |
Let me know what you think, and let the mean-spirited fun begin! This should be even more fun now that our guy isn't involved. I'll reveal the seeds tomorrow.
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Worst GMs
Bowden should not get a free pass. He did nothing in Cincy and has done nothing in DC.
by thegunner on Apr 15, 2008 1:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing?
He turned Brad Wilkerson and Terrmel Sledge into Alfonso Soriano.
He turned a couple of RPs (Gary Majewski & Bill Bray) and a SP prospect (Daryl Thompson) into Austin Kearns and Felipe Lopez.
He turned two guys who were not part of the long term (Brian Schneider & Ryan Church) into Lastings Milledge, a guy who ideally will be part of their future.
He made an interesting gamble with Elijah Dukes (dealt a minor league lefty … Glenn Gibson)
He has been adept at the reclamation projects over his three plus years (Esteban Loaiza, Hector Carrasco, & Dmitri Young … to name a few). He has overseen the rebuilding of a farm system from dead last in MLB to a top 10-15 organization.
Is he perfect? No way. He is still too obsessed with toolsy OFs and hasn’t had a breakthrough with pitchers.
By no means is he the best GM in MLB, but he is no longer in the team picture for the worst
by NFA Brian on Apr 15, 2008 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't Neal be under
promising so far after what Cam and LittleFailed had previously destroyed?
by Bad Andy on Apr 15, 2008 1:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
eight months of mostly sitting on your hands makes you “promising”, even if that constitutes an improvement over what Pirates fans are used to. It makes you unknown.
by scoreboard on Apr 15, 2008 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colletti: LAD
You really need to have Ned Colletti of the LA Dodgers as one of the contestants. He has wasted a ton of money on the likes of Juan Pierre, Jason Schmidt, Esteban Loaiza, Nomar, Luis Gonzalez and now possibly Andruw Jones. His only upside is that he hasn’t traded away top talent, but he has blocked many of them from playing and handcuffed his last two managers by having these overpriced vets on the team.
vr, Xeifrank
by Xeifrank on Apr 15, 2008 2:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Theo
Theo is obviously a non-contender, but I dispute that he has a great track record. Many of the players who played key roles on the 2004 championship team were acquired by Duquette—Varitek, Damon, Manny, Pedro, Wakefield etc.
Let’s go through the current lineup:
Ortiz - Great free agent pickup.
Varitek - Duquette traded for him.
Youk - Duquette drafted him.
Pedroia - Theo good job, but it’s only been one season.
Lugo - Theo traded Nomar and Matt Murton for Orlando Cabrera and Doug Mientkiewicz. It worked out, but that wasn’t a great haul for Nomar. Neither Cabrera nor Doug M. were that great for Sox. He let Cabrera go in the offseason and replaced him with Edgar Renteria. He gave up on Edgar after one disastrous season and replaced him with the disastrous free agent signing of Lugo.
Lowell - acquired with Beckett for Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez during the time Theo went AWOL that one offseason.
Manny - Duquette
Crisp/Ellsbury - Crisp has disappointed with the bat, exceeded expectations with the glove. Ellsbury looks like a good player, but he’ll lack the power to be a superstar.
Drew—bad free agent signing.
He threw money at Schilling and Dice-K and those moves have for the most part worked out. Someone else acquired Beckett, Duquette drafted Lester, Duquette signed Wakefield, Theo drafted Buchholz, which looks like it will work out.
Papelbon was a great pick, trading several prospects for Gagne was a disaster. Duquette drafted Delcarmen and I don’t who was responsible for Timlin.
Cla Meredith and Josh Bard for Doug Mirabelli was a horrendous trade. Signing Matt Clement to a big free agent contract was a predictable disaster.
Yeah, Theo’s much better than Littlefield, Sabean, Colletti etc., but “great” is overstating his track record. He inherited with a good roster and has made a few great moves and more than a few bad ones.
by bolton on Apr 15, 2008 7:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d agree with most of that except that someone else acquired Beckett. I know there was like 3 months where he technically wasn’t the GM, but I think it was pretty clear that Theo was either pulling the strings or the guys in the front office that took over were acting on his off-season plan (at least this what my friend from Boston tells me).
Also- don’t underestimate how important it was that he was able to let guys like Pedro, Lowe, etc. go when their contracts were up. Lots of GMs would have tried to keep that 2004 team together after their dramatic playoff run, but Theo knew better. And their system is absolutely STACKED right now, mostly thanks to him.
So yeah, he’s been hit or miss in some areas, but really, he’s heading the best run organization in baseball right now
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by whygavs on Apr 15, 2008 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s what I’d say too. His drafting and development system is excellent.
by Charlie on Apr 15, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
His drafting and development appear strong, but Boston prospects tend to get hyped more than those from other teams. Same thing with the Yankees. We’ll have to wait a few years to accurately judge his drafts.
by bolton on Apr 15, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was hired in late 2002.
That’s enough time to get early returns on a few of his picks, at least.
2003 (17th): Papelbon is a star. David Murphy is starting for the Rangers, but might or might not do so for a good team. Matt Murton is of a similar quality, but buried on Chicago’s depth chart.
2004 (no first-rounder, would’ve chosen 24th): Pedroia is the reigning ROY. Cla Meredith is a very good reliever for the Padres. Steve Pearce (drafted 10th) didn’t sign (thank god), but turned out pretty well.
2005 (23rd and 26th): Buchholz pitched a no-hitter last year, and is currently in Boston’s rotation. Ellsbury is probably starting-quality, but sitting behind Crisp. Jed Lowrie just made his ML debut this week. Craig Hansen is disappointing.
That’s a pretty fair draft record, just on the few that’ve panned out so far.
by Vlad on Apr 15, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theo
Epstein hired Bill James. If McClatchey had done that maybe we’d be contenders today.
by meandterry on Apr 15, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After Bowden's work in Cincy,
when he took the Nats job and signed Christian Guzman and Vinny Castilla to multiyear contracts, I would have voted for him against anybody in a Worst GM contest. Part of this was the horror of the actual contracts, which of course turned out badly, and part of this was because the mainstream media practically threw Bowden a parade.
Since then he’s drafted Ryan Zimmerman, stolen Alfonso Soriano from the Rangers, Austin Kearns from the Reds and Lastings Milledge from the Mets. He dumped Jose Vidro and much of his contract on the Mariners. He’s built up the Nats farm system and refrained from signing mediocre free agents at positions where good, young (and durable) players would be blocked.
Jim Bowden, I applaud your turnaround. The fact that I am not sure you should replace, say, Kevin Towers on a list of the 12 potentially Worst GMs in baseball is something I never would have predicted in 2005.
by scoreboard on Apr 15, 2008 8:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, it isn’t. I think Bowden was the top seed in Andrew’s competition in 2006.
I think Towers is actually a good GM and I feel bad about putting him in the contest, but he did draft Matt Bush, so…
by Charlie on Apr 15, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the last eight years have taught us anything...
...it’s that picking Bush never turns out well.
by Vlad on Apr 15, 2008 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's interesting
how few (half dozen by my count) GMs have even a good track record, but I suppose out of any 30 people in any endeavor you’ll find a half dozen pretty good ones, a half dozen really bad ones, a half dozen new ones and a vast sea of mediocrity among the rest.
I see fully half the NL Central GMs will be in play. Let the game begin!
On a side issue, since reading “Moneyball” I’ve wondered if much of the backlash from the baseball establishment wasn’t so much that it made Beane look like some kind of genius but that it made Omar Minaya, for one, look like an idiot. I just have a feeling that in baseball, where huge egos are rampant, it’s no sin if you puff yourself up, but it’s considered terrible form to do it at the expense of a guy a lot of people probably like, competent or not. Especially if those “lot of people” are NYCers.
Just musing here.
by bucdaddy on Apr 15, 2008 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bill Smith ...
... might make it next time, based on the underwhelming return he received for Johan Santana.
by humbucker on Apr 15, 2008 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
and spending 104 million on morneau/cuddyer for 6 years vs 137 for santana for 6 may further damn the man
by vherub on Apr 15, 2008 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, hmm. Maybe it’s not too early to put him in there. Smith in, Towers out? What do you say?
by Charlie on Apr 15, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given that there’s virtually no chance Towers will advance past the first round, I’d replace him with a guy who has botched two of his first three moves (the Morneau signing might work out).
Then again, when you’re handed a team and told to trade the best player – and everyone in the industry knows it – it’s understandable you’d get off to a slow start. I’d cut Smith a little slack and give him a pretty low seed.
This is going to be fun.
by scoreboard on Apr 15, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at first I was going to argue that Hendry shouldn't be in the bracket
but the more I think about it the more I realize he should be. He’s brought in some talent, but most of his maneuvers fit into one of two categories: 1) Outbid everyone by a large margin, 2) Take advantage of teams in salary dump mode.
Before he left the Twins I think the argument could have been made for Terry Ryan as the best in baseball considering some of the deals that he pulled off.
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by mjk83 on Apr 15, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I still can't believe...
Terry Ryan signed late-period Jose Offerman to be a contending teams DH!
Overall, of course, the dude was a really good GM, especially given his team’s ownership/financial situation.
by scoreboard on Apr 15, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nobody is perfect
but some of the trades, specifically the boof, liriano, and joe nathan for A.J. Pierzynski were great
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
by mjk83 on Apr 15, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing by NFA Brian
Have to agree in principle, but Lastings and Dukes are big time gambles. One cancer (a la Stephon Starbury) can kill a team. Imagine what two could do. Their histories point to ability but also to big time headaches.
by meandterry on Apr 15, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not the same thing.
Lastings likes rap music and is a little bit cocky. Dukes has been arrested a kajillion times, including instances of drugs and violence against women.
One of these things is a big risk (almost to the point of being a certainty), and the other is a tempest in a teapot.
by Vlad on Apr 15, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A request to separate
Milledge’s “issues” from Dukes’ ISSUES.
Milledge made mistakes that can be attributed to age and maturity.
Dukes has had serious lapses that are criminal.
Yes, they both have some degree of baggage. However, Milledge is not a big time gamble in the way Dukes is.
by NFA Brian on Apr 15, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milledge
As a former resident of the “big city” I have to say that it was much reported that Mr. Millidge was the most obnoxious and least liked member of the team. Maybe not Dukes, but hardly a recipe for success. But yes, maybe he can learn from his mistakes.
by meandterry on Apr 15, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst GM
I have no idea who the worst GM is—or the best, for that matter. But I have a couple of thoughts:
Fans, bloggers, critics and sportswriters are gambling with someone else’s chips. I tried to keep track of the organizational changes after McClatchey left and Littlefield and Tracey were fired, and finally just couldn’t keep up. The number of scouts, cross-checkers, coaches, marketers, support staff and administrators surely must exceed the 40 players on the roster. Are their salaries counted against the $50-odd million the Pirates are alleged to spend on salaries? Somehow I doubt it.
Whether your name is McClatchey or Nutting, it must be galling to read the harsh criticism - however well-merited - from those whose investment in the team is limited to the price of admission, as compared to a contractual obligation to a player whose physical skills or frame of mind may change in an instant. Well, presumably, they knew what they were getting into.
For the record, I think that Cam Bonifay and Dave Littlefield are two of the worst GMs in Pirate history; and that Pirate ownership since the days of the Galbreaths has lacked both financial capability and an understanding of changes in the game and how they affect competitiveness on the field.
Leaving aside players’ talent, the competence, stability and commitment of ownership, not the general manager, seems to me to be the key to a successful franchise. Of course the game has changed since I was growing up in the late 40’s and 50’s (expansion, free agency, competition from other sports and leisure activities). But the objective is still to win now (or in the very near future) not to relive past glories.
These days, it seems to me that the appropriate question regarding success as a General Manager should be who best utilizes the resources he has available - fan and community support, budget, management commitment and competence - to maximize the contribution of his baseball operation to the continued competitiveness and financial viability of the franchise—including, but not limited to, drafting, player development and trades.
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by Lino Donoso on Apr 15, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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