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Worst GM Poll: Omar Minaya vs. Jim Hendry

UPDATE: This poll is now closed.

Our first match is over: Jon Daniels of the Rangers has handily defeated Bill Smith of the Twins, 166 to 63. Daniels advances to the quarterfinals, where he'll face Mariners GM Bill Bavasi in what should be a hard-fought contest. In the meantime, J.P. Ricciardi and Dan O'Dowd are still battling it out, so you can weigh in there.

In this thread, Omar Minaya (10) of the Mets faces Jim Hendry (7) of the Cubs. This should be a tight game that will probably anger fans of both the Mets and the Cubs. One thing to keep in mind, if you happen to fall into one of those categories, is that it's possible to be in this contest and yet not be all that bad of a GM. Still, both of these guys have done enough dumb things to be included.

The job with the Mets is, in a way, perfect for Minaya, whose tenure has been characterized by big spending as a way of papering over a lack of attention to detail. He's acquired one expensive, declining player after another - Carlos Delgado, Paul Lo Duca, Luis Castillo, Shawn Green, and so on. He also spent the last off-season weirdly fixating on catchers, and he ended up trading top prospect Lastings Milledge for Brian Schneider and Ryan Church. It's not hard to hide a lack of inspiration when you inherit a couple of very bright young stars (David Wright and Jose Reyes) and you've got untold millions to drop on superstars like Carlos Beltran, Pedro Martinez and Johan Santana. Minaya also gets no points for his previous job in Montreal, in which he turned an absurd situation into a full-blown Ionesco script by, for example, infamously trading two future stars (Grady Sizemore and Brandon Phillips) and a useful starter (Cliff Lee) for Bartolo Colon, then flipping Colon for Orlando Hernandez and Rocky Biddle. Also, no extra credit for annoying Delgado into signing with the Marlins and then trading for him, or for posing for the cover of Sports Illustrated in the same year his team underwent an historic collapse.

In his defense, he pilfered Oliver Perez from the Bucs (but then, who hasn't taken advantage of Dave Littlefield?) and grabbed John Maine from the O's. Also, he deserves credit for getting Santana from the Twins for a bargain-basement price.

As for Hendry, his worst offense was allowing former manager Dusty Baker to play chicken with the careers of two potential franchise cornerstones in Mark Prior and Kerry Wood. He also traded real prospects for mediocrities like Juan Pierre and Steve Trachsel. He let Neifi Perez rack up over 900 at bats for the Cubs. Chicago won 66 games with a $94 million payroll on Hendry's watch in 2006. Hendry was also one of the GMs most responsible for the recent escalation in free agent salaries, handing an absurd eight-year deal to Alfonso Soriano and giving out multiyear contracts to anyone around to take them.

In his defense - and this is big - he absolutely stole Aramis Ramirez and Derrek Lee from desperate small-market teams. His teams have also made the playoffs twice.

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Which of these GMs is WORSE?
  • Omar Minaya (Mets)
  • Jim Hendry (Cubs)

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The Expos

It’s fair to note that at the time Minaya destroyed the Expos, there was a real chance they were going to be contracted, making petty things like “prospects” kind of worthless to him.

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by whygavs on Apr 17, 2008 12:31 AM EDT   0 recs

True. Even granting that, though, that was ridiculous. There was also a very real chance that they WOULDN’T be contracted. Given that was the case, the Colon trade was incredibly irresponsible.

by Charlie on Apr 17, 2008 12:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Colon trade was certainly ridiculous, but he was also working for a team run by Major League Baseball at the time. I don’t really think anyone has any idea what his true marching orders were that season.

I’m not trying to make it seem like I think Minaya’s a great GM or anything, it’s just that I’m not certain there’s much of a conclusion that can be drawn from his Expos years.

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by whygavs on Apr 17, 2008 1:17 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

bay

I voted for Hendry, but you failed mention my favorite bad Minaya trade: Jason Bay for Lou Collier.

by bolton on Apr 17, 2008 5:43 AM EDT   0 recs

Yeah. He also traded Chris Young for Einar Diaz.

He wasn’t the only GM to trade Jason Bay for too little, though. Bay kind of took everyone by surprise after he joined the Padres.

by Charlie on Apr 17, 2008 12:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I voted for Minaya for a very 'scientific' reason...

... I hate the New York Mets, and I’d like to see them return to 100-loss laughingstocks through bad trades and poor judgment.

by humbucker on Apr 17, 2008 10:38 AM EDT   0 recs

I hate you, Santana is definitly a poor trade (sarcasm)

by metskelly on Apr 17, 2008 5:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

as I noted, my vote wasn't based on Minaya's performance at all.

The Santana trade on the surface appeared to be a win for the Mets, no doubt. Hopefully, he’ll be successful and end up in the Hall of Fame and avoid the drug problems that plagued some of your team’s former ‘can’t miss HoF’ers’ (Gooden, Strawberry, Hernandez), and won’t become a smug, arrogant jerk in the process.

by humbucker on Apr 21, 2008 1:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I voted Hendry

Permitting Dusty Baker to ruin Prior was beyond the pale. Plus, he hired Littlefield after the Pirates canned the latter.

Steve Z

by steve_z on Apr 17, 2008 11:04 AM EDT   0 recs

Voted Minaya

Read “Moneyball.”

by bucdaddy on Apr 17, 2008 11:15 AM EDT   0 recs

Hendry gets no credit for ARam. That was DL and McNutter’s doing (I think by that time McNutter had taken over behind the scenes and ordered cost cutting). He gets a small amount of credit for trying to prevent Piniella from destroying Felix Pie, but that’s likely to be futile.

Tough choice. Both guys have enormous resources relative to most other teams and have consistently wasted them.

by rogero on Apr 17, 2008 11:22 AM EDT   0 recs

Voted for Hendry

Bringing in Trachsel last Septemebr to replace Marshall in the rotation was the last straw for me. I remember Hendry being interviewed in the booth of a Cubs game at the time, He explained how ecstatic he was to be getting Trachsel’s veteranosity for the pennant push.

by rogero on Apr 17, 2008 11:28 AM EDT   0 recs

Speaking of Marshall...

he might get another shot at the rotation soon when Ted Lilly goes on the DL with a severe case of double digit ERA.

How did Hendry just jump out to that lead? Did 30 Met fans just show up to vote?

by scoreboard on Apr 17, 2008 5:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

For me...

...this one’s almost a push.

by Vlad on Apr 17, 2008 11:30 AM EDT   0 recs

Wow… 32-32 so far.

by Charlie on Apr 17, 2008 12:20 PM EDT   0 recs

So ...

... uh, what’s the tiebreaker? Most times fleecing Dave Littlefield? Oh, damn, I think that one’s a tie, too.

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by whygavs on Apr 17, 2008 1:14 PM EDT   0 recs

maybe it should be

how many times they’ve signed neifi perez

by johnnycuff on Apr 17, 2008 4:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What a joke

I guess pirates fans have to diss the Gms of two teams that can actually win some games becuz lets face it, the pirates are pure garbage. ur actually dissing a Gm for picking Pedro, who wonm 16 games the year before, Delgado, who at the time had 10 consecutive seasons with more than 30 homeruns, not to mention a 38 HR season with the Mets. By the way, Minaya didnt trade Bay, that was the old Mets GM.

by metskelly on Apr 17, 2008 5:19 PM EDT   0 recs

Minaya traded Bay when he was the GM of the Expos.

by Charlie on Apr 17, 2008 5:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

BTW

I just tried to post the following at MetsBlog. Still waiting for my registration email.

Thanks for the link, Matthew.

I’m not sure if you all have noticed, but in the past year the Pirates have replaced their team president, GM, manager, scouting director, farm director… They’ve also announced plans to build a $5 million new facility in the Dominican. Criticism of the on-field product is of course utterly deserved, but the “what is the ownership doing” line of critique is a bit behind the times.

By the way, the backstory here is that a blogging friend who writes about the Dodgers did a similar “worst GM” tournament two years ago, and my blog and another big Pirates blog pointed our readers to it so we could vote for Dave Littlefield, who then “won” the tournament in a walk. Most serious Pirates fans are acutely aware of the team’s shortcomings. If we want to celebrate a bit for finally ridding ourselves of one of the worst GMs in big-league history, I think we’ve earned the right.

by Charlie on Apr 17, 2008 5:28 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

Hey, Mets fan!

We all stuffed the ballot box for Littlefield in this contest last year, and he won in a landslide. If you don’t like the poll, dissing our old GM isn’t going to do anything, since we all already know that he sucks (and say so frequently, and at length). If anything, our experience with crappy GMs makes us better at noticing stupid tendencies in other people’s GMs, since we’ve gotten so much practice at picking nits.

Like they say in the stock market, past performance is no guarantee of future success. That goes double with old players like Delgado and Pedro. Anybody can tell who was a good player in the past. A good GM can tell who’s going to emerge as a good player, or continue to be one in the future.

by Vlad on Apr 17, 2008 6:13 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

Shea Stadium is a dump

And its in Queens too.

Steve Z

by steve_z on Apr 17, 2008 6:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jason Bay??????

Jim Hendry stole Derek Lee for Hee-Sop Choi. I also find it weird that Aramis all of a sudden learned to field when he came to Chicago. I cannot believe that it is mid April and you guys already have to have something else to talk about other than Pirate games. This is why I love coming to this run down town to watch the Cubs beat the Pirates 6 out of 9 times in the season.

Good series this month. Can’t wait for May!

Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.

by Bricks and Ivy on Apr 17, 2008 9:20 PM EDT   0 recs

I cannot believe that it is mid April and you guys already have to have something else to talk about other than Pirate games.

What can I say – we have wide-ranging interests. You would too if you had 15 straight losing seasons.

These criticisms of Bucs Dugout based on what the Pirates have done, as if this site and the team are run by the same people, are kind of funny.

by Charlie on Apr 17, 2008 9:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Charlie, you asshole!

I’ll never forgive you for signing Meares to that extension.

by Vlad on Apr 17, 2008 10:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Aramis learned to field?

I guess you see more of him than we do, but I’m not convinced that one passes the smell test. Fella can sure hit, though.

by Vlad on Apr 17, 2008 10:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Over 600 votes for Hendry

Hmm, you think some Mets fans are biased? Perhaps we should advertise this poll to Cubs fans as well.

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by Willton on Apr 18, 2008 11:17 AM EDT   0 recs

I sent out emails to the biggest Mets blog and the biggest Cubs blog, as well as one smaller blog for each team.

by Charlie on Apr 18, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It must be nice

to be biased towards your team’s GM instead of feeling alternately skeptical and homicidal about him.

by EmmaOMG on Apr 18, 2008 5:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hendry

It’s gotta be hendry. year in and year out he has a top 5 mlb payroll and, not including ‘08, he’s 474-498 lifetime. in 2006, by forbes’ numbers the cubs had the second largest payroll, $117 million in the national league, and finished with the fewest wins. that’s an epic failure. hendry has a good shot to win this whole thing.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Apr 18, 2008 11:33 AM EDT   0 recs

No

the Cubs have never had a payroll as high as 117, it was mid-90’s in ‘06. Also, the Cubs, if I’m not mistaken, currently have the 8th highest payroll in MLB. I don’t know how far back you’d have to go for them to crack the top 5, but I think they just cracked $100 million in ‘08 for the first time.

Hendry is no wizard, but people seem to forget unloading Hundley for Karros and Grudzelanek (wrong spelling, I know). The Pierre trade wasn’t very good, but it’s not like any of those 3 guys are doing anything special now. Getting Traschel last year made sense. He wasn’t replacing Marhsall straight up, but the Cubs were in the middle of 21 games in 20 days, and needed the extra starter. Also, I hardly consider Rocky Cherry and Scott Moore to be ‘legit prospects’. They are, at best, mid-level prospects. I’m not saying it was a brilliant move, but in the long run it’s not that big of a deal.

He overpaid for Soriano, but anyone was going to have to hand out at LEAST $100 for 6 years, and more likely $120 for 7. It’s sad but true that Hendry made a fair market value purchase. DeRosa has turned out to be a very solid signing, Lilly turned out to be a very solid signing (although I hope he gets back on track soon), Ward was a good signing, Fukudome was a good signing (and cheaper than what he was offered elsewhere). Marquis was overpaid for, that one there is no denying. Howry and Eyre were great signings though.

Lee and Ramirez / Lofton are still big ones to look at. Granted it’s easier when the other team helps make a poor choice, but at least some credit has to go to Hendry for these trades. What about the Nomar trade? At the time it looked like an absolute steal, it’s just unfortunate that it turned out the way that it did.

In my opinion, the worst thing that Hendry did, was not to rein in Baker sooner. Neifi was not a bad bench player. But he kept getting starts when those ABs could have been better spent elsewhere. It’s hard to blame Hendry for what happened with Prior and Wood, it’s not his fault they got hurt (even if it’s, by extension, his fault via Baker, it’s still hard to blame Hendry entirely). The biggest fault there was that he didn’t rebuild the rotation, and instead kept making plans for the future based on them being healthy. At the same time, people seem to think that Hendry has this bottomless well of cash at his disposal, he hasn’t in the past. The Tribune Co. has always put only as much money into the Cubs to keep the franchise popular, and to make sure that they keep reaping profits. Winning was never a priority to the owners, which makes it that much more difficult for the GM to build a winning team.

Hendry good (off the top of my head):
Lee trade
Ramirez / Lofton trade
Karros / Grudz trade
Lilly signing
DeRosa signing
Fukudome signing
Ward signing
Howry signing
Eyre signing
Lee extension
Ramirez extension
Zambrano extension
Todd Walker trade (Jose Ceda is a real pitching prospect)
Michael Barrett trade (some scouts say Kyler Burke might still come through, former 1st rounder)
Neifi trade
Reed Johnson signing (so far)
John Lieber signing (so far)

Bad:
Marquis (not a bad player to sign, but too much $)
Pierre trade
Traschel trade
Jacque Jones signing
Maddux for Izturis trade
Sosa trade (waited too long)
Patterson trade (waited too long)

Mediocre moves (perhaps unfortunate)
Soriano signing (probably too much $ for what he is, but not an unrealistic value for the market)
Nomar trade
Wade Miller signing (good gamble at $1mil, but nothing happened)
Aardsma for Cotts (both of em are doing pretty poorly)

Both a strength and a weakness of Hendry’s is that he listens to his manager. Neifi, Tony Womack et all, were brought in because those are the kind of guys that Dusty wanted. Lou wanted to get Barret out of town (which was right to do) and Hendry obliged. He might be better if he knew what was right regardless of what his manager was telling him, but he’s also done a pretty good job of getting the manager what he feels that he needs.

I feel that his good moves far out-weigh his bad ones. I don’t think he’s a brilliant GM, but I think he’s a FAR cry from bad. Just my opinon.

by WittyUserName on Apr 18, 2008 5:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

payroll

the Cubs have never had a payroll as high as 117, it was mid-90’s in ‘06.

So you’re saying that Forbes is wrong?

Also, it’s not the absolute dollar amount that matters here, it’s the relative value. So if it’s the second most in the league, what does it matter if it’s 96 million dollars or 117 million dollars?

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Apr 21, 2008 10:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Millidge

Maybe time will prove me wrong, but I think dumping Millidge was a positive. He better grow uo pretty soon. No way I can vote for Minaya.

by meandterry on Apr 18, 2008 9:35 PM EDT   0 recs

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