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Worst GM Poll: Ken Williams vs. Wayne Krivsky

UPDATE: This poll is now closed. 

Our second poll has now closed: J.P. Ricciardi of the Blue Jays has handily defeated the Rockies' Dan O'Dowd, 157 to 56. Ricciardi advances to Round 2, where he'll face a formidable opponent in Dodgers GM Ned Colletti. The contest between Omar Minaya and Jim Hendry is still going strong

This match pits the White Sox' Kenny Williams (9) against Cincinnati's Wayne Krivsky (8).

Sometimes I feel like, as a blogger, I have to choose between being spontaneous and humorous or being serious and thoughtful. These categories aren't mutually exclusive, of course, but sometimes it feels like they are. Most readers probably prefer the former, but all things considered, I'd rather be the latter. And so doing stuff like this Who's-the-Worst-GM stuff can sometimes feel like it should be beneath me, in that it requires me to treat reasonably intelligent people like they're idiots and treat complex issues as yay-nay binaries.

Take this contest, for example. Neither of these guys are unambiguously terrible GMs. Krivsky took chances on Josh Hamilton and Brandon Phillips when no one else would. He also traded living puzzle Wily Mo Pena for Bronson Arroyo. What can you say about that? If I were a GM, I certainly wouldn't have bothered with Hamilton, and I probably wouldn't have messed with Phillips, either. Williams, for his part, won a World Series for Chicago in 2005. To me that World Series win looks, more than anything else, like a lucky confluence of great pitching, but maybe Williams saw some things that I didn't, and he made what turned out to be some very good trades for Jose Contreras and Freddy Garcia along the way.

These guys both do so many silly things, though, that you have to wonder about them. Krivsky dealt Austin Kearns for nothing in one of the weirdest trades in recent memory, hired the pitcher-destroying Dusty Baker at just the point where he had several top pitching prospects about to make an impact, and has repeatedly shown bizarre fixations no-hit utility guys and aging relievers. Williams, for his part, publicly jawed with Frank Thomas, has a human lightning rod for a manager, and never seems to have any idea how good his team actually is. He spent this offseason sending his farm system to the A's even though the White Sox have an aging roster, play in perhaps the best division in baseball, and won 72 games last year. 

And so I think it's ultimately good to do these sadistic eviscerations of some of these guys, because this stuff actually matters. The fewer Chad Moellers there are out on the field, the better the baseball is. And every time a GM flushes the future of his team down the toilet in pursuit of the fantasy that he can contend in the present, it makes baseball worse. Williams seems to be turning his team into one that's only slightly better and more interesting than the Orioles have been in the last decade. Who wants to watch the Orioles? The more teams like that there are, the less fun baseball is. We as Pirate fans know that as well as anyone.

Poll
Which GM is WORSE?
Ken Williams (White Sox)
69 votes
Wayne Krivsky (Reds)
118 votes

187 votes | Poll has closed

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Krivsky

Hiring Dusty the pitcher killer clinched it for me.

Steve Z

by steve_z on Apr 17, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Hiring Dusty Baker to manage a team nurturing Johnny Cueto, Homer Bailey and Edinson Vólquez is nearly criminal.

And that Austin Kearns trade was very weird indeed.

by c60 on Apr 17, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is hands-down Williams

He won a World Series and has no idea why or how.

by matskralc on Apr 17, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Krivsky is totally awful. I might have made him a seed with a longer track record. That being said, it’s awfully hard not to see Williams win even one round. This is a battle of the titans.

by Sky Kalkman on Apr 17, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

is it possible to just stop this totally pointless exercise and talk about baseball?

by Blyleven Curve Ball on Apr 18, 2008 9:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It surely is possible to stop this exercise

But why would we want to stop now? Especially since it is neither pointless or off-topic.

Steve Z

by steve_z on Apr 18, 2008 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who is the better commissioner? Kennesaw Mountain Landiss or Bowie Kuhn? Absolutely pointless discussion. It would be better to discuss AA Altoona’s last game than this nonsense.

by Blyleven Curve Ball on Apr 18, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if we don't want to?

This discussion is not designed to bring a mountain of change. It’s designed to be entertaining. If we’re entertained by this discussion, why should we stop?

Formerly known as Econolodge

by Willton on Apr 18, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point

To generate a clearer idea of what makes for a good GM. That’s the point of the discussion. It’s relevant to baseball in general and to the Pirates more specifically.

The discussion is also cheap - nearly free - entertainment, as Wilton suggested.

Steve Z

by steve_z on Apr 18, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And fun.

Don’t forget fun.

by Vlad on Apr 18, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you want to discuss AA Altoona's last game

then start the discussion. Post a diary here. Or start a blog.

by scoreboard on Apr 18, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bill James

used to do an enormously informative and of course entertaining thing called GM in a Box. Pointless? I think not. I think this is the roughly same thing in much condensed form.

by bucdaddy on Apr 18, 2008 4:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can we just stop the competition now

and name Ed Wade the worst GM, for trading for a guy who lied about his age by two years?

Tejada’s precipitous decline the past three years sure makes a lot more sense if you see his 131 OPS+ season at age 30, rather than age 28.

Congratulations, Ed. For failing to check out a major acquisition’s birth date, you’re the worst GM. And if it needs to be pointed out, you’re a product of the Pirates.

by bucdaddy on Apr 19, 2008 2:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, he’s coming up next round. The hilarious thing was that the correct birthdate was apparently ON TEJADA’S DRIVER’S LICENSE. What employer doesn’t look at an employee’s driver’s license?

by Charlie on Apr 19, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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