Pirates vs. Mets, 29 April 2008
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 29, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
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PrintPittsburgh Pirates at New York Mets, Apr 29, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
Let's try this again. Ian Snell and Johan Santana, 7:10 at Shea. Here's the box.
If you haven't seen it, there's a pretty interesting article in the Post-Gazette about a number of players the Pirates could have traded this winter, but didn't. A lot of them are making the Bucs look pretty smart. Damaso Marte has struggled, but Xavier Nady, John Grabow and Jason Bay all now look like they could fetch something. I'm still not a fan of the Pirates' decision to start Nady and leave Steve Pearce in the minors -- what can I say, I'm stubborn -- but all will be forgiven if the Pirates can snag a real prospect for Nady. As for Bay, his numbers have tailed off a bit in the last week or so, but he's still posting a 127 OPS+. The packages other teams were offering over the winter were meager, but they may be better now.
-P- The Brewers just made room for Mike Cameron by sending SP David Bush to the minors. I don't know what the Pirates really have to offer the Brewers, and I don't want them trading prospects in any case, but if I were the Bucs, I'd call to see what it would take to pry Bush away. The Pirates need a starter, and Bush's numbers indicate he could be helpful. He's posted K/BB ratios of 3:1 or better the past two years, and he keeps the ball on the ground. A good portion of the blame for his bad ERA last year goes to the Brewers' bad defense, not to him.
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bush
i thought the same thing when i saw he was released. he’d make a decent stopgap for the bucs but i don’t think he’s worth what we’d have to give up to get him. his big k/bb splits could also make him an excellent reliever, should his struggles as a starter continue.
Not released.
He had an option left, and he’s supposedly going to be back up in a day or two.
The local connection would be interesting with Bush, but I’m not sure I’d be willing to pay anything extra for it.
Speaking of Milwaukee pitchers
I do think we missed a trick by not making a heavier push for Claudio Vargas when the Brewers cut him loose. He’s nothing special, but given the general instability of our rotation (and the lack of quality options in the minors), I do think it would’ve been nice to have some extra insurance.
I agree. While Vargas is nothing to write home about, he’s really not a horrible pitcher. Many of Milwaukee’s pitchers (Capuano, Bush, Vargas) looked artificially bad last year because of bad defense by Braun, Hall and others. It wouldn’t have been a bad idea to take a look at any of them—although, again, it’s not like the Pirates have a lot to offer.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 29, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Vargas was released by Mil. The Pirates could have claimed him on waivers and picked yp his $3.6 million salary. They acknowledge whenever Dejan asks that they still have money laying around, even giving Morris his $10 million. Or they could have signed him when he cleared. It took the Mets 16 days to sign him, after first professing little interest. Perhaps he still would have preferred the Mets, though his chance at a longer term job seem better with the Buccos. I’m not aware that Neal even tried however.
Been a while
since I’ve been home for the start of a game.
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The Mets
SS Reyes
2 Castillo
3 Wright
CF Beltran
RF Church
1 Delgado
C Casanova
LF Chavez
P Perez (2-1, 4.45)
Reyes is 3-12 in his career against Snell.
Wright is 1-7.
Church 1-6.
Casanova 2-2.
Castillo 1-7.
Beltran 2-8.
Chavez is 3-3.
Delgado is 2-7.
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Oops... not Perez (with Snell's numbers)
Santana (3-2, 3.12)
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The Buccos
CF McLouth
SS Gomez
2 Sanchez
LF Jason-ity
RF X-Man
1 Black Hole
3 Bautista
C Paulino
P Snell (2-1, 4.45)
Bautista is 0-9 in his career against Santana. Ouch.
Bay is 1-3.
Gomez is 8-14.
Nady is 1-4.
Paulino is 1-2.
Sanchez is 2-3.
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Gomez
too lazy to look…is this his first start for us at SS.
And
Hossa has already put the pens up 1-0. Could be a real bad night for NY sports fans.
Only thing that could make it worse...
rehiring of Isiah as basketball coach?
Biased Fan
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You're right
Bush would do much better with a strong defense like ours behind him.
Oh, wait …
Any pitcher would have trouble with our defense. That doesn’t change the fact that Bush’s performance last year makes him look worse than he is.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 29, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Pinch me
one of our catchers actually threw out a good base stealer.
yea that was shocking…Paulino throwing out Reyes??
by richmondpirate on Apr 29, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i really wish...
i could watch this…
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions
It's beginning
to look like Santana has found his groove. Snell may need a bunch of zeros tonight.
doesnt help....
that he just got a base hit
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Snell
seems to be struggling with his control somewhat. May be the weather (cold and damp).
Huh,
so Paulino gunned down Reyes?
I saw it on my fantasy team’s scoreboard and had to come on and ask how the trow looked…I know Reyes is off this year but the throw had to be pretty good.
it SOUNDED good...
not on TV here (pens)
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Never mind
double plays take care of walks pretty well.
BAY!
GETTIN HOT
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions
Only one problem with Jason...
guess how many RBI Jason has that have not been on Home Runs this season?? Try zero!!! He’s had 1 three run homer…1 two run homer and 4 solos…for 9 RBI.
wow
didn’t know that…..pretty interesting
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
crap
church 2 run shot
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions
o dear
cmon ian dont let this get ugly
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply actions
Defense
strikes again. How can Freddy drop that throw?? Snell should have been out of the inning.
Santana at 91 pitches
Perhaps the offense learned a thing or two about hitting?
Formerly known as Econolodge
Basically knocks Snell out of the game. That’s a drag.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 29, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions
urgh
this game started out promising…....
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? It looked in the zone to me.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 29, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
MLB.tv feed
which happens to be the mets feed…had a shot from hi behind the plate that showed it was definitely outside. Good thing is that Marte then got Delgado.
they said on radio
he was mad at the call but the pitch looked to be clearly a strike?
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
the pitch before looked three inches outside. maybe I already have them reversed in my head.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 29, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
marte
clutch since the first two games
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions
they are loaded
with 2 outs, for….....................laroche. wonderful
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
i almost think
they should pinch hit for him in situations like this. you just KNOW hes not gonna get a hit
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I was about to write the same thing
it would never happen…but I would have loved to have Doumit hitting there
i know it would never happen
but yeah…..
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s actually kind of good to see Gomez at short.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 29, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions
a chance...
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Know I'm late but
- Saw Freddy’s error 8 times on the Mets broadcast. It was all on Freddy.
- “Pathetic” is a kind charecterization of Adam’s alleged swing. I swing like that hitting fungos to my kid.
Quick question (just to torment us all more)...
Morgan or Rivas?
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mclouth
cmon!!!
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions
dang
now its all gomez
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
Nice baserunning by Paulino, though.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 29, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, never mind, misunderstood the situation.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 29, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
ARRRRRRRGHHH!!!!
radio sez bad call? or bautista just slow?
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha
love the reaction^
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Waiting f/ultra-slow motion with
super close zoom in – they were using it to show Santana’s grip earlier. Pretty cool.
Hmmm.
Bautista’s hand went over the plate but may not have touched the plate. Very good zoom and very fair commentary by the announcers. Not saying either way, just pointing out that from one angle he looked safe, but from another he missed the plate.
That'd be awesome news for me...
if I were a Penguins fan.
But I’m not, so this game is still very depressing.
And getting in the way of my studying for a final too.
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Weird
Reyes w/a good lead. Yates steps off. Reyes doesn’t move. Yates fakes a throw, Reyes heads back. Too bad we don’t have a slap-hitting, good-eye, fast lead-off hitter. It helps.
If somebody
offers us anything for Paulino…I suggest that NH take it.
You could make a similar argument
for quite a few people on the team.
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and he nearly doubled off Reyes
after a long run, slide, and a backhand pick just off the grass – nothing SICK about it
Bay's catch wasn't shown again
as the inning ended. Hard to tell whether it would have been fair or foul, but Tyler Y owes Jason B a beer.
Earlier
Mets announcers said bay hitting something like .119 with runners in scoring position…so of course he strikes out with 2 in scoring position.
I wouldn't know about that...
not being Mormon and all. About the wives that is.
Biased Fan
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Oh, and with the 5 wives thing...
in case you aren’t paying attention to the FLDS thing in Texas right now… they really don’t seem to be high school age even.
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You know the penalty for 5 wives in Texas, don't you?
by Trogluddite on Apr 29, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No, there's a real specific penalty
Nothing to do w/Chuck Norris.
by Trogluddite on Apr 29, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You'd be surprised the number
of times I work that into casual conversation.
by Trogluddite on Apr 29, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahhahaha
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
You sit home watching TV while other guys are getting to 2nd and 3rd.
greeaaaat
guess whos up now in the clutch??
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions
Frankly
I don’t know why they are even pitching to Nady with LaRoche on deck.
wowww
laroche
walk
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
Paulino's ability to call the game?
Why didn’t Mienkowicz pinch-hit for Bautista? I’d have more confidence in him at least getting a sacrifice fly in that situation.
by Trogluddite on Apr 29, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Call the damn game
from the dugout then…because on the field…he’s extremely close to totally useless.
Maybe Paulino & Morris
could team up as bench coaches to call games.
by Trogluddite on Apr 29, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd rather have
Mientkewicz playing 3B every day. Or Gomez. But maybe Gomez needs to play SS.
by poorboywilly on Apr 29, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Sanchez throws
eight balls in 10 pitches…then Bautista swings at 4 in 5 pitches and rolls one to third…and Ronny pops up on the first one. Nice patience guys.
Same with
Marte. And Nady. And hopefully Paulino. And maybe even Jack. And Jason-ity.
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Argh, I hate Billy Wagner
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on Apr 29, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Man if we had a speedy guy
like Nyjer Morgan to pinch run now.
by Trogluddite on Apr 29, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like Russell so much
This is near buffoonery. Why didn’t Doumit bat in the 8th?
apparently mclouth is
0-0 being beaned in his one matchup vs. wagner
OH NO
what if Paulino gets injured? aahahahahah
It is...
he didn’t get thrown out trying to make it a 2-bag steal. And he didn’t over-slide the bag. It’s gotta be a first for the Pirates this season.
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1 pitch out
from Gomez.
Brilliant.
And Sanchez up now.
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Looks
like we will go to the bottom of the 9th tied. Bay K’s again.
oh god
this is going to be one unholy defensive alignment
More like one unholy pitching alignment. Russell is hoping Osoria can get through an inning so then they can put Capps in the ninth spot. Not a great bargain, I don’t think.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 29, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Just letting us taste the possibility of a win
thinking that we’re that close, and WHAM! It’s pulled away like a HS cheerleader telling you you’re just not cool enought to kiss.
Thanx - I still have
flashbacks to the powder-blue uniforms and the hockey season ending in March, with no sign of the Penguins in the game.
Who is left on the bench right now?
Rivas & Mientkiewicz only?
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X-man out...
what lowers the chances of scoring this inning to near 0.
Biased Fan
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What do you mean?
“Near zero”...more like less than zero.
The sports pessimist in me
has died due to too much exposure to the Pirates & officials in the NBA.
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Guess that Piniero isn't that bad
Reds have one hit off him in 7 innings. So what he did against the Bucs wasn’t a 1 shot deal.
Speaking of LaRoche
he has 2 BB’s today.
Someone needs to take the Mets pitchers aside and thrash them. How do you walk him? And then how do you do it again?
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if you change "the game"
to “a game”, then your hopes will definitely come true. At some point in the some-what near future.
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boy
I wish Doumit could be batting right now
Agreed
other teams would screw it up by having the 2nd batter drive the run in.
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god Paulino.
There’s no need to trade him to the Mets. He’s already playing for them.
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wrong NY team
if Paulino’s going to NY…likely to be the Yankees with Posada out.
Assuming this game goes on for a while
it would be interesting to see how we use JVB…as a pitcher…or as a hitter.
He's gotta get an at bat
before Rivas… right? Right?
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Mientki boo'd by Mets fans and
Mets announcers ponder the imponderable – who has the longer name, Mientki or VonWonderSchuten?
by Trogluddite on Apr 29, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Freddy?
Did the “lean back, hands-up” don’t hit me move for a pitch over the middle of the plate. Not sure what that was all about.
JVB leaned in while Paulino was giving him his signs.
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on Apr 29, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Why JVB is in the minors
1st batter – inside, outside, 0-2 count. Middle of the plate, single.
2nd batter – when two umps emphatically call a balk, you know there’s a problem.
Did I miss something? Where the hell is Capps?
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 29, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions
Great.
Man on 3rd.
And Reyes is up… 3-3 on the night.
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We walk Reyes, and we're not going to
walk the bases full? Incredible. Reyes will steal on the 1st pitch.
Got to 2nd
on “defensive indifference”. What was the point of the walk then?
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I just don't get this
JVB should be the last guy used. Randolph used Wagner starting in the 9th. what are we saving Capps for?
Makes sense.
You don’t wanna tire him out.
Who knows how old he’ll be when we get there.
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They were leading in the 9th inning
and he blew it.
We’re tied right now.
Stupid reason, but I really can’t think of any other reason.
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Yeah
no idea why he didn’t start the inning.
Stupid decision.
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lol
works on offense (for the most part) & pitching too.
Biased Fan
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walk
just what we want, the bases juiced with the game on the line and possibly the NL’s best hitter due up.
Russell has not
even looked like he’s coming off the bench, whether to argue a call or to mentor his players. It’s almost like he’s in a trace – I mean trance.
Same here.
I’ll miss the beginning of the game.
Therefore 5 or 6 runs…
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send him down tomorrow
You're a Pirates fan?
jvb will never work as a pitcher
do the rick ankiel approach
You're a Pirates fan?
Is this the John Russell equivalent
to Jim Tracy`s decision in the McCleary game? I don`t get it from what I`ve read here. And after a rain day, we still would use JVB? If they didn`t want to use Capps in a tied game, then why not Meek? Maybe there is a reason, but I can`t figure it out yet.
The players stink, no doubt, but Russell...
He didn’t put his players in position to succeed. We had chances in the 7th and 8th, and especially the 8th, I just don’t understand how you don’t bat Doumit for Bautista or Paulino with the bases jammed, a righty on the mound, and no lefties left in the NY pen. Text fucking book. I’m all for out of the box thinking, but not there. I highly doubt Randolph brings in Wagner, so it’s Doumit v. Sanchez. That’s the matchup you want. Then, he burns Doumit leading off the 9th v. Wagner, and PR’s for him. I just… I just don’t get that.
Capps should have been available for two innings. Instead we got JVB.
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