Pirates vs. Mets, 29 April 2008
Pittsburgh @ New York
Let's try this again. Ian Snell and Johan Santana, 7:10 at Shea. Here's the box.
If you haven't seen it, there's a pretty interesting article in the Post-Gazette about a number of players the Pirates could have traded this winter, but didn't. A lot of them are making the Bucs look pretty smart. Damaso Marte has struggled, but Xavier Nady, John Grabow and Jason Bay all now look like they could fetch something. I'm still not a fan of the Pirates' decision to start Nady and leave Steve Pearce in the minors -- what can I say, I'm stubborn -- but all will be forgiven if the Pirates can snag a real prospect for Nady. As for Bay, his numbers have tailed off a bit in the last week or so, but he's still posting a 127 OPS+. The packages other teams were offering over the winter were meager, but they may be better now.
-P- The Brewers just made room for Mike Cameron by sending SP David Bush to the minors. I don't know what the Pirates really have to offer the Brewers, and I don't want them trading prospects in any case, but if I were the Bucs, I'd call to see what it would take to pry Bush away. The Pirates need a starter, and Bush's numbers indicate he could be helpful. He's posted K/BB ratios of 3:1 or better the past two years, and he keeps the ball on the ground. A good portion of the blame for his bad ERA last year goes to the Brewers' bad defense, not to him.
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bush
i thought the same thing when i saw he was released. he’d make a decent stopgap for the bucs but i don’t think he’s worth what we’d have to give up to get him. his big k/bb splits could also make him an excellent reliever, should his struggles as a starter continue.
by johnnycuff on Apr 29, 2008 3:21 PM EDT 0 recs
Not released.
He had an option left, and he’s supposedly going to be back up in a day or two.
The local connection would be interesting with Bush, but I’m not sure I’d be willing to pay anything extra for it.
by Vlad on
Apr 29, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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Speaking of Milwaukee pitchers
I do think we missed a trick by not making a heavier push for Claudio Vargas when the Brewers cut him loose. He’s nothing special, but given the general instability of our rotation (and the lack of quality options in the minors), I do think it would’ve been nice to have some extra insurance.
by Vlad on Apr 29, 2008 3:37 PM EDT 0 recs
I agree. While Vargas is nothing to write home about, he’s really not a horrible pitcher. Many of Milwaukee’s pitchers (Capuano, Bush, Vargas) looked artificially bad last year because of bad defense by Braun, Hall and others. It wouldn’t have been a bad idea to take a look at any of them—although, again, it’s not like the Pirates have a lot to offer.
by Charlie on
Apr 29, 2008 3:47 PM EDT
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Vargas was released by Mil. The Pirates could have claimed him on waivers and picked yp his $3.6 million salary. They acknowledge whenever Dejan asks that they still have money laying around, even giving Morris his $10 million. Or they could have signed him when he cleared. It took the Mets 16 days to sign him, after first professing little interest. Perhaps he still would have preferred the Mets, though his chance at a longer term job seem better with the Buccos. I’m not aware that Neal even tried however.
by rogero on
Apr 29, 2008 6:22 PM EDT
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Been a while
since I’ve been home for the start of a game.
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by UtesFan89 on Apr 29, 2008 6:51 PM EDT 0 recs
The Mets
SS Reyes
2 Castillo
3 Wright
CF Beltran
RF Church
1 Delgado
C Casanova
LF Chavez
P Perez (2-1, 4.45)
Reyes is 3-12 in his career against Snell.
Wright is 1-7.
Church 1-6.
Casanova 2-2.
Castillo 1-7.
Beltran 2-8.
Chavez is 3-3.
Delgado is 2-7.
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by UtesFan89 on Apr 29, 2008 6:57 PM EDT 0 recs
Oops... not Perez (with Snell's numbers)
Santana (3-2, 3.12)
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by UtesFan89 on
Apr 29, 2008 6:59 PM EDT
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The Buccos
CF McLouth
SS Gomez
2 Sanchez
LF Jason-ity
RF X-Man
1 Black Hole
3 Bautista
C Paulino
P Snell (2-1, 4.45)
Bautista is 0-9 in his career against Santana. Ouch.
Bay is 1-3.
Gomez is 8-14.
Nady is 1-4.
Paulino is 1-2.
Sanchez is 2-3.
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by UtesFan89 on Apr 29, 2008 7:00 PM EDT 0 recs
No one else has faced Santana
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by UtesFan89 on
Apr 29, 2008 7:02 PM EDT
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Gomez
too lazy to look…is this his first start for us at SS.
by Thunder on Apr 29, 2008 7:09 PM EDT 0 recs
Not sure...
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by UtesFan89 on
Apr 29, 2008 7:11 PM EDT
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Nate!
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by UtesFan89 on Apr 29, 2008 7:11 PM EDT 0 recs
And
Hossa has already put the pens up 1-0. Could be a real bad night for NY sports fans.
by Thunder on Apr 29, 2008 7:13 PM EDT 0 recs
Only thing that could make it worse...
rehiring of Isiah as basketball coach?
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by UtesFan89 on
Apr 29, 2008 7:14 PM EDT
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You're right
Bush would do much better with a strong defense like ours behind him.
Oh, wait …
by bucdaddy on Apr 29, 2008 7:19 PM EDT 0 recs
Any pitcher would have trouble with our defense. That doesn’t change the fact that Bush’s performance last year makes him look worse than he is.
by Charlie on
Apr 29, 2008 8:37 PM EDT
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Pinch me
one of our catchers actually threw out a good base stealer.
by Thunder on Apr 29, 2008 7:23 PM EDT 0 recs
Shocking!
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by UtesFan89 on
Apr 29, 2008 7:24 PM EDT
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yea that was shocking…Paulino throwing out Reyes??
by richmondpirate on
Apr 29, 2008 7:24 PM EDT
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i really wish...
i could watch this…
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 7:32 PM EDT 0 recs
It's beginning
to look like Santana has found his groove. Snell may need a bunch of zeros tonight.
by Thunder on Apr 29, 2008 7:53 PM EDT 0 recs
doesnt help....
that he just got a base hit
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Apr 29, 2008 7:55 PM EDT
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Snell
seems to be struggling with his control somewhat. May be the weather (cold and damp).
by Thunder on Apr 29, 2008 7:58 PM EDT 0 recs
He struggled a little
last start, too, even after the first inning.
by DITO on
Apr 29, 2008 7:59 PM EDT
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Huh,
so Paulino gunned down Reyes?
I saw it on my fantasy team’s scoreboard and had to come on and ask how the trow looked…I know Reyes is off this year but the throw had to be pretty good.
by DITO on Apr 29, 2008 7:59 PM EDT 0 recs
it SOUNDED good...
not on TV here (pens)
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Apr 29, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
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It was…Reyes out by a couple of feet. Throw a little to first base side of second…but good overall.
by Thunder on
Apr 29, 2008 8:01 PM EDT
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Thanks
for the hundreth time…I really need to buy mlbtv
by DITO on
Apr 29, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
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Never mind
double plays take care of walks pretty well.
by Thunder on Apr 29, 2008 7:59 PM EDT 0 recs
BAY!
GETTIN HOT
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 8:04 PM EDT 0 recs
Jason-ity!
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by UtesFan89 on Apr 29, 2008 8:05 PM EDT 0 recs
Only one problem with Jason...
guess how many RBI Jason has that have not been on Home Runs this season?? Try zero!!! He’s had 1 three run homer…1 two run homer and 4 solos…for 9 RBI.
by Thunder on Apr 29, 2008 8:09 PM EDT 0 recs
wow
didn’t know that…..pretty interesting
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Apr 29, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
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Interesting. Yes.
Also very disappointing.
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by UtesFan89 on
Apr 29, 2008 8:12 PM EDT
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And that’s a problem with Bay? Isn’t that really a problem with the guys that hit in front of him?
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by Willton on
Apr 29, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
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crap
church 2 run shot
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 8:20 PM EDT 0 recs
o dear
cmon ian dont let this get ugly
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 8:36 PM EDT 0 recs
Defense
strikes again. How can Freddy drop that throw?? Snell should have been out of the inning.
by Thunder on Apr 29, 2008 8:44 PM EDT 0 recs
Santana at 91 pitches
Perhaps the offense learned a thing or two about hitting?
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by Willton on Apr 29, 2008 8:45 PM EDT 0 recs
that error better not cost us… now that hurts snell.. god
by MarcB on Apr 29, 2008 8:46 PM EDT 0 recs
Hey Snell
STOP WALKING PEOPLE!!!!
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by Willton on Apr 29, 2008 8:46 PM EDT 0 recs
Basically knocks Snell out of the game. That’s a drag.
by Charlie on Apr 29, 2008 8:46 PM EDT 0 recs
urgh
this game started out promising…....
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Apr 29, 2008 8:48 PM EDT
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MLB.tv feed
which happens to be the mets feed…had a shot from hi behind the plate that showed it was definitely outside. Good thing is that Marte then got Delgado.
by Thunder on
Apr 29, 2008 8:54 PM EDT
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Yeah, it was definitely way outside, but whatev! Take what we can get!
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on
Apr 29, 2008 8:55 PM EDT
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they said on radio
he was mad at the call but the pitch looked to be clearly a strike?
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Apr 29, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
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the pitch before looked three inches outside. maybe I already have them reversed in my head.
by Charlie on
Apr 29, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
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huge break streaking out church, but gets delgado… thanks goodness that inning did not get far out of hand
by MarcB on Apr 29, 2008 8:54 PM EDT 0 recs
marte
clutch since the first two games
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 8:58 PM EDT 0 recs
they are loaded
with 2 outs, for….....................laroche. wonderful
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 9:07 PM EDT 0 recs
Adam LaRoche, If there ever was a time to break out your bat… the time is now!
by MarcB on Apr 29, 2008 9:08 PM EDT 0 recs
i almost think
they should pinch hit for him in situations like this. you just KNOW hes not gonna get a hit
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Apr 29, 2008 9:11 PM EDT
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I was about to write the same thing
it would never happen…but I would have loved to have Doumit hitting there
by DITO on
Apr 29, 2008 9:12 PM EDT
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i know it would never happen
but yeah…..
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Apr 29, 2008 9:13 PM EDT
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I was visiting my parents this weekend, and my 60-year-old mild-mannered kindergarten teacher mom kept calling LaRoche a “p*y.” It was pretty funny.
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on
Apr 29, 2008 9:13 PM EDT
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a chance...
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Apr 29, 2008 9:24 PM EDT
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Know I'm late but
- Saw Freddy’s error 8 times on the Mets broadcast. It was all on Freddy.
- “Pathetic” is a kind charecterization of Adam’s alleged swing. I swing like that hitting fungos to my kid.
by Trogluddite on Apr 29, 2008 9:27 PM EDT 0 recs
Quick question (just to torment us all more)...
Morgan or Rivas?
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by UtesFan89 on
Apr 29, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
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I can't believe he couldn't bunt
were the two foul balls fastball strikes?
by DITO on Apr 29, 2008 9:28 PM EDT 0 recs
Not sure, but
he fouled them both down the third base line and we were lucky neither was caught.
by Trogluddite on
Apr 29, 2008 9:30 PM EDT
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mclouth
cmon!!!
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on Apr 29, 2008 9:30 PM EDT 0 recs
Today's Post Gazette sez
Nyjer could be our starting center fielder soon – or was that McCutcheon?
by Trogluddite on Apr 29, 2008 9:31 PM EDT 0 recs
dang
now its all gomez
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