Brewers vs. Pirates, 21 May 2008
by Charlie on May 21, 2008 5:44 PM EDT
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Milwaukee Brewers at Pittsburgh Pirates, May 21, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
Ben Sheets vs. Ian Snell, 7:05. Here's the box.
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The Brew Crew
2 Weeks
CF Cameron
LF Braun
1 Fielder
RF Hart
SS Hardy
3 Counsell
P Sheets
C Kendall
What is with the teams batting pitchers 8th? Is it just something about the Pirates?
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 6:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
in this case Kendall is a pretty good on base guy and Weeks has some power, so they may think the benefit of having someone on base for Weeks is greater than having a better hitter in the 8 spot. Who knows if it means much?
I wonder if it has anything to do with stats? For example…I wonder if the #9 spot in a national league order leads off an inning more often than the #8 spot of the course of time? But, even if there were any validity there, that would probably be affected by switching the quality of hitters in each spot.
by DITO on May 21, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as it's not a
“hey look, we’re facing the Pirates. Bat the pitcher 8th!” type thing.
Because, you know… the time to do something crazy is when you’re facing the Pirates.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, the Brewers have been hitting Kendall eighth for a while.
by Charlie on May 21, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Buccos
2 Sanchez
CF Nate the Great
LF Jason-ity
1 Black Hole
RF X-Man
3 Eye Chart
C Paulino
SS CGz
P Snell
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 6:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wonder if for 1 game
Nate can bat cleanup? Couldn’t hurt
by Bad Andy on May 21, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nady *should* bat cleanup tonight -- he is a career .538 hitter vs. Sheets
career vs. Sheets, the Pirates’ starting lineup is:
Sanchez .231 (3/13)
McLouth .167 (1/6)
Bay .391 (9/23, 1 HR)
LaRoche .250 (6/24, 4 2B, 1 HR)
Nady .538 (7/13, 2 HR)
Eyechart .250 (2/8)
Paulino .333 (1/3)
Gomez - (0/0)
Snell .000 (0/3)
FWIW, Jack Wilson is a career .310 (18/58) hitter vs. Sheets, and Doumit is at .375 (3/8, 1 2B, 2 HR).
by humbucker on May 21, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry about that!
I didn’t mean to sound like I was yelling or deriding you, Andy… I actually thought your post read ‘Nady can bat cleanup’... whoops!
by humbucker on May 21, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder when Chavez will get a start at C?
he’s a journeyman, but he can’t do much worse than Paulino, can he?
plus, Chavez’s OPS this year is currently a stellar 3.000 (in one at-bat)!
by humbucker on May 21, 2008 6:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he is any worse than Paulino...
I’m digging my shinguards out of the closet and calling NH tomorrow.
by Hitman Easler on May 21, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the Bautista batting 2nd experiment
FAILED miserably
by Bad Andy on May 21, 2008 6:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thankfully
it only took 1 game to find out that it wasn’t working.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say it...
because I liked Jose as promising prospect( I know, sue me)...but I wish him gone yesterday now.
His at-bat last night with Freddy on second and no outs was oh so typical of him. Swing for the fence instead of at least making contact and moving the runner. :/
by Hitman Easler on May 21, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am here
to make sure Snell fulfills the prophecy you have laid out
by DITO on May 21, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Jose doesn't learn proper batting fundamentals
like that one then he’ll never care to learn
by Bad Andy on May 21, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is, Bautista may have been a very promising prospect. We’ll never know how much his career was messed up by the Rule 5 draft and that anger-injury he suffered the year before.
by Charlie on May 21, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh hay
a Pirates game… sweet. Hope it’s competitive and exciting.
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope someone remembered
to insult Snell’s mama before the game.
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where have you gone, Andy Van Slyke?
usually does a good job at remembering to do that
by DITO on May 21, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If not, here we go just in case.
Ian Snell, your mama is of questionable moral character.
Hope that helps.
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the Brewers
are up early.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a good pitch;
bad break Hardy got the end of the bat on it.
by DITO on May 21, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's been .300 all year
but he’s hit a couple more HRs and doubles and stolen bases well lately.
by DITO on May 21, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew I shouldn’t have complimented Snell…argh
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Sheets hit pissed Ian off.
by Hitman Easler on May 21, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hopefully he stays pissed for the next 6 innings
I doubt the Bucs can hit anything off Sheets
by Bad Andy on May 21, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good.
It should. We’ve allowed a pretty big amount of pitchers hit against us this year.
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Instead of batting
the opposing team should just hand Paulino the ball, and let him throw it straight up in the air somewhere in the infield.
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lol.
It’d be interesting.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paulino.
Mr. One pitch out when Bixler isn’t playing?
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Snell owes the outfield a beer after this…
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
should that have been a double, or am I just being cruel?
by DITO on May 21, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Our starters are slump busters for the opposition.
by Hitman Easler on May 21, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We did end Prince Fielder’s 6 game streak yesterday, so we’ve got that going for us… which is nice…
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offended, Charlie?
Blass:
“Even the name, blog, lends itself to irresponsible journalism. BLAGH (in stupid, scratchy voice).”
by DITO on May 21, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You damn kids stay off my internets! shakes cane
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, sorry I missed it.
Unfortunately, there is a lot of irresponsible journalism on blogs. And the word “blog” is funny. I can’t deny it.
by Charlie on May 21, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was the context, btw? Why was he talking about blogs?
by Charlie on May 21, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I recall
it was about Yost and rumors of his ousting after the Red Sox series or something…
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
He was talking about a Milwaukee newspaper printing a blog that said Yosts firing is imminent.
by DITO on May 21, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, I saw that. Glad I ignored it. :)
by Charlie on May 21, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you guys talking about?
The story here is that a mostly political blog, badgerblogger, posted that sources close to the team report that Yost will be fired, et cetera. The jsonline Brewers beat reporter was getting off a plane and people were calling him and he ended up posting that that blog was reporting what it did. Not much later he posted that he had checked with the team and that they said it wasn’t true. The massive hoopdeedoo was that Haudricourt, the reporter had actually mentioned the other blog. I didn’t see it as a big deal and people are pouring out hate.
by ol Pete on May 21, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Blass didn’t really get into any detail, we were just rehashing his rehash, mostly.
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
forums, blog commentators
Discussions like on here. “Idiot” is one of the zingers.
by ol Pete on May 21, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s no hate here, except, I guess, for a couple of jokey references to Steve Blass being old-school. The only person to use the word “idiot” in this thread is you.
by Charlie on May 21, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry if I wasn't clear
I was talking about elsewhere that people were upset that I thought it was an artificial controversy.
by ol Pete on May 21, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got it. Yeah, if people are blaming the reporter, that seems pretty dumb.
by Charlie on May 21, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently
Yost got really mad about it and made a statement either yesterday or today, per Steve Blass.
by DITO on May 21, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stole a double there!
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't even hafta see it
(watching Gamecast) to know that LaRoche took a loooooong swing to whiff there.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Snell
might have to provide the offense on his own.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How old
is Counsell, anyway? The guy has put himself a good steady Major League career together.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't say that...
no the Pirates are gonna go get him to be their starting SS of the future.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now*
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could he be worse
than Bixler or Rivas?
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's starting full-time
after Jack is traded, it could potentially maybe be worse than having one-pitch out & Rivas on the bench. Maybe.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not
suggesting we even consider Counsell. I’m just sayin’, is all.
I think Counsell has been a steady, every-day-play-me-where-you-want-me-to-be kind of player throughout his career.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not suggesting it either.
Just afraid that DL will pop outta nowhere and sign another vet that’s near the end instead of getting a guy who can play the spot for years to come.
On the other hand, I’d rather have Counsell on the bench than Rivas or Kata (AAA) or even CGz I think.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To paraphrase
Bob Dylan,
I ain’t gonna work on DL’s farm no more
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
No! we’re not trading Jack?
or
No! Counsell full time is not worse than Bix or Rivas rotting on the bench?
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
X-Man!
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WHEEEEEHOOOO!
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mientkiewicz.
Doesn’t follow suit.
Instead, he plays true Pirate baseball and flies out.
If he was a true Bucco though, it would’ve been on the first pitch.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least
we have Sheets @ 66 pitches thru 3-2/3.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Paulino doubles...
stranded with a CGz ground out to 3rd & a Snell K.
Doesn’t Snell realize that to get a win, he’s going to need to drive in a couple runs?
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LaRoche is a freaking knucklehead.
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What'd he do there?
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strong throw, beat the runner,
but one-hopped second base and Freddy couldn’t come up with it
by DITO on May 21, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
LaRoche tried to field a routine grounder, and didn’t realize that he had dropped the ball out of his glove, and Paulino missed another stealing base-runner, though Freddy might have been a part of that, too. It looked catchable.
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Christ
Well, Snell is throwing the ball well, that was a really nice piece of hitting by Braun.
by DITO on May 21, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, good pitch, but great hit.
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
But in the end, all it is is another deficit for the Buccos.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Prince Fielder still a vegetarian?
He looks heavier than last year to me.
by DITO on May 21, 2008 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Falling apart
in the 5th.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting thing going on with the Phillies
Shane Victorino and Jayson Werth are seemingly locked in a pretty epic battle to take over the center field position on the Phillies. No matter who wins, both guys are playing really well right now.
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Snell
@81 pitches thru 4-2/3
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His count
looked pretty good before this inning
by DITO on May 21, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yup.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That LaRoche error will probably end up costing us this game.
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a novelty...
he usually costs us games with his bat.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, can’t usually fault him on his defense. Seeing your avatar thing makes me wish I had some alcohol in the house :/
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't dream it -
be it.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes Pirates games
easier to watch.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone watching the game:
is there anyone up in the bullpen?
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, great
Gamecast is out.
Maybe that’s a blessing…?
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or
maybe you’re gonna miss the comeback of the century decade year month week day game
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gah.
maybe I should just make another cocktail.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your question from earlier
They just got Osoria up in the pen
by DITO on May 21, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a tad late, from what I see here.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another run.
Down by 3 now.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Snell just realized
that he’s already saddled with the loss since the offense is crap, so he doesn’t even care any more.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cameron
steals 2nd.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Steve Blass
The Cliff Clavin of Baseball
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 8:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gamecast
back up – thanks to alla you for keeping me informed, if unhappy…
Snell @ 111 pitches.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lol
That means Russell thinks he’s got another inning or so in em!
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More Dylan...
Play, Nady, play…
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it’s one or the other, innit?
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ARGH
The timing of our hits is terrible.
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Osoria in.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I don't know
A couple good at bats in the seventh should do him in
by DITO on May 21, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Side note:
When I went to the Bucs/Cubs game last Friday, afterward only the pitchers lagged around to sign autographs. Alla the position players either jumped on the bus, or into cabs.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Watching this game
juxtaposed with watching the Phillies game is depressing. They’ve just had a 7 run inning, and they lead the Nats 11-0 in the 6th. Howard has 2 HRs, and they’ve had 4 total in the game.
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And ESPN
showing Jurrjens mowing down the Mets
by DITO on May 21, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can’t have nice things :(
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we must stop running with scissors.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
biggest at bat of the game right here…need something from Nate
by DITO on May 21, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another 2 out hit...
useless.
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn
Nate got a call there but grounded out anyway
by DITO on May 21, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grabes
has 21 K’s in 21 IP now.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another gimme for LaRoche
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wasted.
Again.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This game sucks
another “meh” effort it seems…
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least our power hitters are up… oh wait…
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
...
the substitute one-pitch out, CGz, and a pinch-hitter. Exciting.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Game.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Complete game
11-hitter for Sheets.
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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hitman
was right. CG for Sheets
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You'd think our pitching staff could learn something from Sheets
Snell throws 111 pitches in 6 innings, Sheets 123 in 9 innings…and evidently less than 55 after the 4th inning. (Based on the 66 pitches after 3 2/3 innings comment)
That’s a lot of 10 pitch or less innings. Something the Pirates pitching staff should try sometime.
by Thunder on May 21, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or something the Pirates offense
should try to avoid.
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