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Brewers vs. Pirates, 21 May 2008

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Milwaukee @ Pittsburgh


Ben Sheets vs. Ian Snell, 7:05. Here's the box.

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The Brew Crew

2 Weeks
CF Cameron
LF Braun
1 Fielder
RF Hart
SS Hardy
3 Counsell
P Sheets
C Kendall

What is with the teams batting pitchers 8th? Is it just something about the Pirates?

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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 6:12 PM EDT   0 recs

Well

in this case Kendall is a pretty good on base guy and Weeks has some power, so they may think the benefit of having someone on base for Weeks is greater than having a better hitter in the 8 spot. Who knows if it means much?

I wonder if it has anything to do with stats? For example…I wonder if the #9 spot in a national league order leads off an inning more often than the #8 spot of the course of time? But, even if there were any validity there, that would probably be affected by switching the quality of hitters in each spot.

by DITO on May 21, 2008 6:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

As long as it's not a

“hey look, we’re facing the Pirates. Bat the pitcher 8th!” type thing.
Because, you know… the time to do something crazy is when you’re facing the Pirates.

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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 6:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah, the Brewers have been hitting Kendall eighth for a while.

by Charlie on May 21, 2008 6:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Buccos

2 Sanchez
CF Nate the Great
LF Jason-ity
1 Black Hole
RF X-Man
3 Eye Chart
C Paulino
SS CGz
P Snell

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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 6:13 PM EDT   0 recs

Wonder if for 1 game

Nate can bat cleanup? Couldn’t hurt

by Bad Andy on May 21, 2008 6:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nady *should* bat cleanup tonight -- he is a career .538 hitter vs. Sheets

career vs. Sheets, the Pirates’ starting lineup is:

Sanchez .231 (3/13)
McLouth .167 (1/6)
Bay .391 (9/23, 1 HR)
LaRoche .250 (6/24, 4 2B, 1 HR)
Nady .538 (7/13, 2 HR)
Eyechart .250 (2/8)
Paulino .333 (1/3)
Gomez - (0/0)
Snell .000 (0/3)

FWIW, Jack Wilson is a career .310 (18/58) hitter vs. Sheets, and Doumit is at .375 (3/8, 1 2B, 2 HR).

by humbucker on May 21, 2008 7:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

sorry about that!

I didn’t mean to sound like I was yelling or deriding you, Andy… I actually thought your post read ‘Nady can bat cleanup’... whoops!

by humbucker on May 21, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I wonder when Chavez will get a start at C?

he’s a journeyman, but he can’t do much worse than Paulino, can he?

plus, Chavez’s OPS this year is currently a stellar 3.000 (in one at-bat)!

by humbucker on May 21, 2008 6:54 PM EDT   0 recs

If he is any worse than Paulino...

I’m digging my shinguards out of the closet and calling NH tomorrow.

by Hitman Easler on May 21, 2008 6:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thankfully

it only took 1 game to find out that it wasn’t working.

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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 6:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I hate to say it...

because I liked Jose as promising prospect( I know, sue me)...but I wish him gone yesterday now.

His at-bat last night with Freddy on second and no outs was oh so typical of him. Swing for the fence instead of at least making contact and moving the runner. :/

by Hitman Easler on May 21, 2008 6:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I am here

to make sure Snell fulfills the prophecy you have laid out

by DITO on May 21, 2008 7:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If Jose doesn't learn proper batting fundamentals

like that one then he’ll never care to learn

by Bad Andy on May 21, 2008 7:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The thing is, Bautista may have been a very promising prospect. We’ll never know how much his career was messed up by the Rule 5 draft and that anger-injury he suffered the year before.

by Charlie on May 21, 2008 7:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh hay

a Pirates game… sweet. Hope it’s competitive and exciting.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:05 PM EDT   0 recs

Oh wait…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Three pitches

two outs

by DITO on May 21, 2008 7:06 PM EDT   0 recs

I hope someone remembered

to insult Snell’s mama before the game.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:07 PM EDT   0 recs

Where have you gone, Andy Van Slyke?

usually does a good job at remembering to do that

by DITO on May 21, 2008 7:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If not, here we go just in case.

Ian Snell, your mama is of questionable moral character.

Hope that helps.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey Ian

I saw your mom on 5th and Centre…..she charged 50 for the number 1 and 75 for the number 2…I told her I got a high-class broad at home for free…..hahahaha

by Bad Andy on May 21, 2008 7:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sheets

DIRTY curveball

by DITO on May 21, 2008 7:12 PM EDT   0 recs

And the Brewers

are up early.

The Utah Jazz
A disillusioned Pirates fan in Utah...

by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 7:22 PM EDT   0 recs

That was a good pitch;

bad break Hardy got the end of the bat on it.

by DITO on May 21, 2008 7:22 PM EDT   0 recs

Hart has been hot recently.

by Charlie on May 21, 2008 7:22 PM EDT   0 recs

He's been .300 all year

but he’s hit a couple more HRs and doubles and stolen bases well lately.

by DITO on May 21, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice pitch.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:24 PM EDT   0 recs

I knew I shouldn’t have complimented Snell…argh

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hopefully he stays pissed for the next 6 innings

I doubt the Bucs can hit anything off Sheets

by Bad Andy on May 21, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Good.

It should. We’ve allowed a pretty big amount of pitchers hit against us this year.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Instead of batting

the opposing team should just hand Paulino the ball, and let him throw it straight up in the air somewhere in the infield.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:33 PM EDT   0 recs

Lol.

It’d be interesting.

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A disillusioned Pirates fan in Utah...

by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Snell owes the outfield a beer after this…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:41 PM EDT   0 recs

Wow...

should that have been a double, or am I just being cruel?

by DITO on May 21, 2008 7:43 PM EDT   0 recs

We did end Prince Fielder’s 6 game streak yesterday, so we’ve got that going for us… which is nice…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Offended, Charlie?

Blass:

“Even the name, blog, lends itself to irresponsible journalism. BLAGH (in stupid, scratchy voice).”

by DITO on May 21, 2008 7:46 PM EDT   0 recs

You damn kids stay off my internets! shakes cane

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha, sorry I missed it.

Unfortunately, there is a lot of irresponsible journalism on blogs. And the word “blog” is funny. I can’t deny it.

by Charlie on May 21, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What was the context, btw? Why was he talking about blogs?

by Charlie on May 21, 2008 7:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If I recall

it was about Yost and rumors of his ousting after the Red Sox series or something…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

He was talking about a Milwaukee newspaper printing a blog that said Yosts firing is imminent.

by DITO on May 21, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh yeah, I saw that. Glad I ignored it. :)

by Charlie on May 21, 2008 7:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What are you guys talking about?

The story here is that a mostly political blog, badgerblogger, posted that sources close to the team report that Yost will be fired, et cetera. The jsonline Brewers beat reporter was getting off a plane and people were calling him and he ended up posting that that blog was reporting what it did. Not much later he posted that he had checked with the team and that they said it wasn’t true. The massive hoopdeedoo was that Haudricourt, the reporter had actually mentioned the other blog. I didn’t see it as a big deal and people are pouring out hate.

by ol Pete on May 21, 2008 8:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Steve Blass didn’t really get into any detail, we were just rehashing his rehash, mostly.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 8:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Who’s pouring out hate?

by Charlie on May 21, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

forums, blog commentators

Discussions like on here. “Idiot” is one of the zingers.

by ol Pete on May 21, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

There’s no hate here, except, I guess, for a couple of jokey references to Steve Blass being old-school. The only person to use the word “idiot” in this thread is you.

by Charlie on May 21, 2008 8:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

sorry if I wasn't clear

I was talking about elsewhere that people were upset that I thought it was an artificial controversy.

by ol Pete on May 21, 2008 8:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Got it. Yeah, if people are blaming the reporter, that seems pretty dumb.

by Charlie on May 21, 2008 8:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Apparently

Yost got really mad about it and made a statement either yesterday or today, per Steve Blass.

by DITO on May 21, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't even hafta see it

(watching Gamecast) to know that LaRoche took a loooooong swing to whiff there.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 7:57 PM EDT   0 recs

Snell

might have to provide the offense on his own.

The Utah Jazz
A disillusioned Pirates fan in Utah...

by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 7:57 PM EDT   0 recs

How old

is Counsell, anyway? The guy has put himself a good steady Major League career together.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:01 PM EDT   0 recs

Don't say that...

no the Pirates are gonna go get him to be their starting SS of the future.

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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

now*

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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Could he be worse

than Bixler or Rivas?

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If he's starting full-time

after Jack is traded, it could potentially maybe be worse than having one-pitch out & Rivas on the bench. Maybe.

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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not

suggesting we even consider Counsell. I’m just sayin’, is all.

I think Counsell has been a steady, every-day-play-me-where-you-want-me-to-be kind of player throughout his career.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not suggesting it either.

Just afraid that DL will pop outta nowhere and sign another vet that’s near the end instead of getting a guy who can play the spot for years to come.

On the other hand, I’d rather have Counsell on the bench than Rivas or Kata (AAA) or even CGz I think.

The Utah Jazz
A disillusioned Pirates fan in Utah...

by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

To paraphrase

Bob Dylan,

I ain’t gonna work on DL’s farm no more

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

...

No! we’re not trading Jack?
or
No! Counsell full time is not worse than Bix or Rivas rotting on the bench?

The Utah Jazz
A disillusioned Pirates fan in Utah...

by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Xman!

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 21, 2008 8:07 PM EDT   0 recs

X-Man!

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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:07 PM EDT   0 recs

WHEEEEEHOOOO!

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:08 PM EDT   0 recs

Mientkiewicz.

Doesn’t follow suit.
Instead, he plays true Pirate baseball and flies out.
If he was a true Bucco though, it would’ve been on the first pitch.

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by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:09 PM EDT   0 recs

At least

we have Sheets @ 66 pitches thru 3-2/3.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2008 8:14 PM EDT   0 recs

Paulino doubles...

stranded with a CGz ground out to 3rd & a Snell K.
Doesn’t Snell realize that to get a win, he’s going to need to drive in a couple runs?

The Utah Jazz
A disillusioned Pirates fan in Utah...

by UtesFan89 on May 21, 2008 8:15 PM EDT   0 recs