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Cubs vs. Pirates, 23 May 2008

Chicago Cubs at Pittsburgh Pirates, May 23, 2008 7:05 PM EDT


Carlos Zambrano vs. Zach Duke, 7:05 PM. Here's the box.

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The 2008 season is a little under two months old, but the Pirates and Cubs are already meeting for the 10th time in 48 games on Friday. The Cubs are enjoying the close encounter the most, dominating the series between the two teams with an 8-1 record and a 69-38 advantage in runs scored.

From the MLB preview.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Also, for fun...

if you click on the MLB preview link above and scroll down, you see the following information in table form…

The Cubs only have 2 hitters hitting below .200 against Duke in his career, and they are Jim Edmonda (0-8) & Kosuke Fukudome (1-6 on the season/in his career). Henry Blanco is at .200 exactly (1-5). Mark DeRosa is at .267 in 15 at-bats. No one else is below .300 against Duke. Fontenot & Hoffpauir have never faced Duke.

On the other hand, against Zambrano, Chavez is 0-3 in his career. Bautista is hitting .077 in 13 ABs. one-pitch out is hitting .500, but that’s in 2 ABs. Eye Chart is 1-1 in his career. Oh, and Ronny Paulino? 16 ABs, and a .063 average. Sanchez is just above .200 (.207) in 29 at-bats. Rivas, Michaels & CGz have never faced Z.

Just FYI (and because I’m bored).

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

For the Cubbies

LF Soriano
SS Theriot
1 Lee
3 A-Ram
C Soto
2 Cedeno
RF DeRosa
CF Johnson
P Zambrano

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

For the Buccos

2 Sanchez
CF Nate
LF Jason-ity
1 Black Hole
RF X-Man
3 Eye Chart
C Paulino
SS CGz
P Duke

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

I’ll suffer the occasional defensive lapse if it means the .170 hitting one-pitch out sits.

by Hitman Easler on May 23, 2008 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is?

I’d say McLouth outgrew his leadoff spot. Third is where he belongs.

by Bad Andy on May 23, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he isn't hitting 3rd

and we don’t have a #2 hitter either.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it were me I'd try Bay or move Nate back...

Freddy never walks, his OBP sucks and if he isn’t hitting over .300 it makes no sense to lead him off.

by Hitman Easler on May 23, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, there’s a great start.

by Charlie Wilmoth on May 23, 2008 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Can we just

shoot Soriano in the face?

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Instead Derrek Lee hits a ball that bounces off Nady’s face.

by Charlie Wilmoth on May 23, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Already down 1.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Looking ugly.

And we’re only in the top of the 1st.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

We need a 3rd baseman.

Lets go sign a vet that can actually play 3rd base.
No need to put off on it… not like Eye Chart is the 3rd baseman of the future or anything.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice

only gave up 2 runs in the first.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Black Hole

Infield ground out.
Shocking…

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Following up on my Paulino comment yesterday

instead of LaRoche batting, just let him select a fielder and go ahead and throw it to him. What’s the difference?

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I can't believe

that I left my favorite bar early to watch this crapola.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's never too late

to go back. Numbs the pain at least.

by Bad Andy on May 23, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I’m already drunk…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yikes, Johnson just smoked that ball.

by Charlie Wilmoth on May 23, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Our starters....

give up more hits than ….well….i don’t know….

by Hitman Easler on May 23, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously.

We’re the worst freaking baseball team ever. I hate this.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

God.

11 seems like a pessimistic bet for how many runs they’ll score.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't understand this

they claim we “drill fundamentals” all the time in practice, but we look like my younger brother’s t-ball team sometimes. I wish they would just admit that we don’t have very much inherent talent.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess my question is

how can you suck so freaking hard, yet be a “professional” team?

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

What happened with the

Theriot at bat?

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Ah, okay.

I hate how it slows down at times.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gameday...

Theriot reaches on a force attempt, missed catch error by Unknown (0), assist to pitcher Zach Duke.

WTF?

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duke threw a slider to Gomez

and Gomez pulled a Paulino…letting it go off the end of his glove.

by Thunder on May 23, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Even Gomez

has the dreadful SS E-itis. At least he can rake off the bench.

by Bad Andy on May 23, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell

at this point, let’s let Bob Walk pitch again…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh man, that’s just a hideous swing.

by Charlie Wilmoth on May 23, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Man...

Bucs look like Slippery Rock vs. Ohio State when we play the stinking Cubs.

by Hitman Easler on May 23, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Guess its a good thing Gorzo isn't pitching this weekend

ERA of 17 versus the Cubs and less than 3 against anyone else. Simple…isn’t it…JR…just don’t throw Gorzo against the Cubs anymore.

by Thunder on May 23, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

If we lose this game

I’m throwing out my favorite Pirates hat.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Argh.

Okay… i’m outta here… enjoy the suck!

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Imagine

If they would spend as much money on pitching as they did Bobbleheads for our pathetic franchise. We would be awesome. Ugh.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Freddy

with more shrapnel grounding out.

by Thunder on May 23, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, hey Cubs,

welcome to PNC Park… enjoy your 3 automatic wins!

Seriously, I’m out. I can’t take this tonight. Somehow, being drunk has made it worse.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh

good lord. this is bad baseball

by Spooner on May 23, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

No...

we passed bad baseball about 3 innings ago.

by Thunder on May 23, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh Russell

Just go ahead and roll over and play dead like you’ve done all season…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Black Hole.

Stop sucking.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

X-Man Ks too.

Dang.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

the fans can't even get it right

guy is wearing a pirates jacket. He wants a $10 baseball so bad that he interferes with a ball in play. Basically, one of 2 things was going to happen…it was going out for a home run…or it hits the padding at the top of the wall…bounces back over Johnson’s head and Bay gets an inside the parker.

by Thunder on May 23, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Burnett in

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe I am thinking too much...

but why not bring in Salas with the Cubs lineup stacked with righties?

by Hitman Easler on May 23, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

You've got to be kidding me.

I’m canceling my mlb.tv account.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

Carlos Zambrano is 3-3 with a RBI and a run scored.
Every Cub except Soto has a hit.

The only Buc with a hit is Bay.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

too bad

the pg just ran an article today about how calm JR is…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

And look

how much good it’s doing. they are still doing too many stupid things. A physical error is one thing…but they are making too many mental errors on top of them. He needs to get mad once in a while.

by Thunder on May 23, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I agree...

but then again, I believe in the Therrien school of coaching…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

you suck burnett.

you suck pirates.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Someone not

named Jason-ity gets a hit!

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Why the hell

didn’t Burnett at least bunt to get the runner over?

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Nate

with a 2 RBI triple!

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone want to buy an infield??

Ours…preferably. Bring up the Indy infield…they can’t do any worse…can they? If one or two of our outfielders gets hurt…we’re looking at the 1899 Cleveland Spiders.

by Thunder on May 23, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

To me

bringing in Burnett and letting him continue to suck is an indication that we’re waving the white flag. I hate that.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

It'd seem that way

no matter who you brought in.
The Cubs are in the heads of the Pirates players. All of them.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except

Nate…and maybe Bay.

by Thunder on May 23, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh cool

what creative way will we strand LaRoche on 2nd in this inning?

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Pop out, ground out, fly out.

That simple.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ronnie

with more warning track power. Obviously, spinach or wheaties are not in his diet.

by Thunder on May 23, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

I think he snacks on huge plates of crappy baseball skills.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine that

a scoreless inning for the cubs.

by Thunder on May 23, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Now

we try to get the Cubs to go 1-2-3 in an inning today.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Without

requiring a double-play.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not watching any more Cubs/Pirates games the rest of the season. It’s a waste of time. I”m going to donate that time to literacy or some other sort of community service.

Or, I’m just going to drink heavily.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

And Russell runs up the white flag

by PH’ing Joey Bats for the pitcher and 0 for 3vas for Freddy.

Then again…right now the only difference between Freddy and Rivas…is Freddy catches the ball once in a while.

by Thunder on May 23, 2008 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Even Greg and Walkie are conceding the game

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

17 cubs hits…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

They need to have a mercy rule

whenever the Pirates are playing

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Can we even consider this rock-bottom? I have a terrible feeling it’s going to get much, much worse before the end of the season.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

No

this isn’t rock bottom…we’ll see that around the middle of September.

by Thunder on May 23, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worse

record-wise or performance-wise?
They’ll probably be much worse than 4-games-under-.500 soon.
As for performance-wise… can it really get much worse?
No one cares. The starter gets rocked, the infield is crap, the catcher is out.

Well, I guess if Jason-ity & X-Man (& Wilson?) are dealt, it’ll get a lot worse.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can understand that we don’t have the talent level to compete in the Majors at this point, but I mean worse in the whole “screw this, we’re cashing our paychecks” way…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

After we trade away

all the players that have played a bit this season, yes, it’ll get worse.
Much worse.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s just no sense of urgency or pride, except from McClouth…or so it seems…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nady & Jason-ity

at times at least.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

all of the starters have regressed from last year.
And the bullpen has been alright at best.
The infield is crap, the bench is crap.
X-Man. McLouth. Jason-ity. Doumit. That’s about it.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ronnie

hiding his face with his glove after almost dropping the foul pop.

by Thunder on May 23, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions  

10 runs in 2 innings

that’s 5 runs an inning to tie it up.
doable, no?

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

We scored again!

Deficit back under 10!

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 9:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Walk just summed this up best.

“This was a team failure.”

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Dude,

What have you been drinking? I’m proud of you ;-)

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on May 23, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had 6 pints of various different beers before the game (got out of work early)... 2 Rogue Pilsners, 2 Smoked Lagers, and 2 Brooklyn Dupple Boks. It was fun :D

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

atta boy

just got home from work myself – was listening to alla this shiite on WGN radio. I am already on my 2nd cocktail. Gah.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on May 23, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

This game has sobered me up a lot, though, so I am contemplating going back out again. Luckily, my neighborhood bar is just 2 blocks away, so I can walk it.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gamecast

is thankfully frozen, and I switched the teevee over to the Laker game a while back, so more cocktails it is for me. Unfortunately, I’ve got to work tomorrow.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on May 23, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t think I have the will now to head back out. I’ll probably just finish watching the Phillies game here.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tried to drown my sorrows

...but they learned to swim.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on May 23, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to sit around and watch the monster comeback in the 9th inning

but I need food.
Maybe I’ll get back in time for the end of the comeback.

:)

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh

Thank Jeebus this massacre is over.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on May 23, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I tried...

optimism sucks though.
And it just makes me feel more depressed.

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by UtesFan89 on May 23, 2008 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Ridgerunner Rum

or maybe Yuengling, if I don’t feel like getting hammered. Or maybe I’ll head to 1-2-3 …

What? The Pirates played the Cubs? How’d they do?

by bucdaddy on May 23, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

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