Pirates Recall Sean Burnett, Dump Evan Meek
The Pirates have designated Evan Meek for assignment, which means he's very likely to head back to Tampa Bay unless the Pirates can work out a deal with the Rays to keep him and stick him in the minors. This really isn't a big deal -- Rule 5 picks don't often work out, so teams like the Pirates should try to grab players they think might stick and not fret too much if they don't. Meek wasn't the power arm the Pirates probably hoped he'd be.
Meek will be replaced on the roster by Sean Burnett. It's a minor transaction, not worth worrying too much about, and I know Pirate fans love Burnett now, but I don't think this is a good move. Burnett was probably the third-best reliever at Class AAA Indianapolis. Jesse Chavez and Marino Salas have both been better, and both are righties who throw harder than Burnett does.
With the move of Phil Dumatrait to the starting rotation and Tom Gorzelanny's recent loss of velocity, the Bucs now have four soft-tossing lefties in their rotation, two decent lefties already in the bullpen, and two relatively hard-throwing righties dominating in AAA, and their solution is to add... another soft-tossing lefty?
Until I see evidence to the contrary, I can't get excited about Burnett, who's been terrible in the minors the last two years and doesn't currently have a great strikeout rate or K:BB ratio at Indianapolis. Chavez in particular has a better track record as a prospect, and while minor league relievers are a dime a dozen, it's not clear to me why he doesn't get more respect from the Pirates or their fans.
By the way, Dejan Kovacevic reports that Burnett was the Pirates' "best reliever at Class AAA Indianapolis." Really? By what standard? Salas has a better ERA, half as many walks and a better strikeout rate. Chavez has a slightly higher ERA but has more than a strikeout per inning and a 7:1 K:BB ratio, compared to 2:1 for Burnett. Both Salas and Chavez have lower WHIPs; Chavez's is a third lower.
Where do people get this idea that Burnett is such an impressive pitcher? I'm probably coming off like Burnett hit on my girlfriend or something, but I don't have anything personal against him. I just think it's extremely weird that people on the internet are acting like he's a tragic hero, and the local paper doesn't sound like it disagrees. Burnett isn't some tragic hero getting jobbed. Spring stats mean exactly nothing. There is nothing that exciting about Burnett's performance so far in the minors. And he's spent the last two years stinking up the joint. Chavez and Salas haven't. Where's the interest in them?
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My two cents....
What you said…......Hmmmm….okay, that covers it.
by dtoddwin on May 4, 2008 7:27 PM EDT 0 recs
You make a strong case against Burnett
and for giving Salas and/or Chavez a try. (Osoria should be, and probably will be, the next to go.)
It`s only the beginning of May and there`s several more months of games to be played and a lot of losing to endure. We`ll see what happens with the roster as the expected trades are made by GM Huntington.
I think everyone unreasonably latches onto personal favorites while, at the same time, goes overboard with the criticism of certain players they don`t like. I think this is made worse because the Pirates have been losing for so long. We have to vent our frustration somewhere.
But didn`t some on this site want to dump Xavier Nady for just about anything the Pirates could have gotten for him? Oh, yeah, that would make one a great GM.
Steve Pearce…Steve Pearce…he has done little so far this season to give the impression that he could even carry Nady`s jock if given the second half of the season to play RF.
Didn`t more than a few here put forth essentially the same ideas for Jack Wilson about a year ago? I know he certainly wasn`t playing well at the time. He got on a big run later in the season, especially with the bat.
But Brian Bixler doesn`t look like much of an everyday shortstop to me, let alone a standout one.
Where is Brent Lillibridge now? The impression I got a little over a year ago was that trading Lillibridge was like trading a young Honus Wagner.
For all of his early season troubles, I`d still rather have Adam LaRoche than Steve Pearce in the lineup. And trading Mike Gonzalez before his arm fell apart now looks pretty smart.
The only prospect the Pirates have that really seems like someone with a high ceiling and should be better than what is in Pittsburgh now is Andrew McCutchen.
Is there someone I`m missing?
Bixler-probable utility man.
Pearce-maybe a piece of the puzzle somewhere, but superior as a player in the field and at the plate to Nady? We`ll see, but I doubt it.
Neil Walker and his wrist an upgrade to Jose Bautista? Doubtful, but we`ll see how he develops the rest of this year in AAA and see where things stand in 2009.
When you look at things, GM Huntington looks pretty smart so far. Nady`s trade value is going up, or at least you would think so. Bay`s knees-knock on wood-seem better so far this year. There might be a good deal we could swing with him, too. Marte will go to someone who really needs a lefty in the pen later this season. Grabow?
Heck, even Jack Wilson could be on the trading block. Huntington could very well just decide to dismantle the team and start over. Things couldn`t get much worse, and I remember the `85 Pirates well. Hopefully, we`ll come up with a Barry Bonds in the draft this June and get Van Slyke et al. in trades, too.
One thing is for sure: We are well on our way to reserving a spot at the top of the 2009 draft.
by patthatt on May 4, 2008 8:49 PM EDT 0 recs
Well said,
but if I may quibble, your assessment of Pearce v. Nady seems to assume Nady is a season-long .347/.406/.542 hitter and Pearce is in reality a .250/.300/.400. I think Nady is just hitting over his head right now and Pearce is struggling after the hype of last year and the disappointment of not making the big club.
But time will tell, and we will see.
You are certainly correct to conclude that starting Nady and demoting Pearce was an smart move by NH, I am merely saying he will almost certainly equal Nady’s long-term production and has a chance to be superior.
by DITO on
May 4, 2008 9:20 PM EDT
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I agree with some of what you said...but
You think Huntington ”...looks pretty smart now”? Huh? He’s done nothing except to ensure that we finish below .500 again. If doing nothing and finishing last again pleases you then what does it take to upset you? 18 consecutive years under .500? You can’t finish below last place.
If you have pinned our hopes on drafting another player of Barry Bonds quality then you are setting yourself up for disappointment because that isn’t going to happen. Try being realistic and set your sights a little higher than last place. We’ll never get any better until people begin demanding improvement and stop settling for words of false praise.
by Illinois Pirate Fan on
May 5, 2008 11:00 AM EDT
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I'm going to ask again.
IPF, what specific move that was open to Huntington this offseason should he have taken, in your opinion?
If you’re going to criticize someone for not doing anything, then at some point you need to say what they should’ve done, instead.
by Vlad on
May 5, 2008 3:02 PM EDT
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IPF
Huntington looks pretty smart from the standpoint that he didn`t just dump a guy like Nady when his trade value was darn near nil because of the hamstring and other injury concerns before this season got underway. I don`t know what he`ll be able to get for him if a trade is done in the next month or so, but I bet it will be more than if he had been traded over the winter.
You seem to have trouble understanding this.
Bay`s knees appear to be somewhat healthier now. I`m sure he is also under consideration for a move if reasonable value can be had in return.
Marte`s trade value has to be going up as well. He didn`t get off to a good start anyway because of illness in spring training. And there may be other moves….
You keep blaming Huntington for the 15 years of mismanagement and outright stupidity of his predecessors.
My point about the draft is simple. Until they show otherwise, I believe the Pirates will take the best player available under the new management. If this means a high school guy with a high ceiling like Tim Beckham, I think he will be selected if available. If it means a college position player with a lot of room for growth as a player like the Florida State catcher, Buster Posey, then I think he will be selected. I can`t believe that the new guys are going to take a Bryan Bullington-type with the thought that he is a “safe” option and might, just might, turn out to be a # 4 starter down the road. (He has turned out to be a #44 starter.) Also, I don`t think they will take a Danny Moskos-type who is limited as a pitcher to a relief role-if he ever makes it to the bigs. Another “safe” pick. I also bet they will leave no stone unturned with draft and follows. Maybe they can find another Nate McClouth and sign him from a later round. Maybe they will be able to actually sign a Stephen Drew-type the next chance they have, unlike the pinheads who let the opportunity slip through their fingers before.
If you have some other ideas about the draft, IPF, then tell us. I most certainly don`t know as much about many of the players as some others on Bucs Dugout do.
Give us some hypothetical moves they should make, IPF, since you want to blame the new management for another losing season so far.
What should have been done differently from last September, IPF?
What should be done from now, IPF?
by patthatt on
May 5, 2008 10:55 PM EDT
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"It's only the beginning of May ..."
Maybe it’s this stupendously uninteresting, bad, boring team, and maybe it’s just me, but already I’m having a hard time concentrating on/caring who they play and who they don’t. They’ all look pretty interchangable to me, interchangable as in: There’s nobody anywhere who’s going to make a five-win difference, maybe even a three-win difference, and even if there were we’d still be looking at 70 wins. I know they need to go, but Lord have mercy, once Nady and Bay and Marte etc. make it over the wall, that’s going to be about a 45-win team on the field.
by bucdaddy on May 5, 2008 12:13 AM EDT 0 recs
bucdaddy
WIth the Penguins looking like championship material and the Steelers having an interesting draft and mini-camp, I don`t think hardly anyone gives a hoot about the Pirates right now. Barring a miracle turnaround or some awesome individual performances in the next month, I don`t think I`m going to be really interested in what they do til the June draft and the inevitable trades that will follow. This is sad, but true.
by patthatt on May 5, 2008 2:58 AM EDT 0 recs
Innovation
For fans who think the baseball season lasts too long, the Pirates have invented the 30-game season!
by WTM on
May 5, 2008 6:26 AM EDT
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Caring who they play and who they don't
is different than being uninterested in the draft and the team. After 15 losing seasons, this team still has a far wider fan base than the Pens had the few years prior to drafting Crosby. Pittsburgh hockey fans are the most fair weather bunch around.
I am not sure what sort of relevance this has to your post, but I have a few close friends who constantly babble “hockey this, hockey that, baseball sucks,” and I get a little worked up whenever the two are juxtaposed.
Of course no one who merely turns to FSN a couple nights a week to see if the Bucs are on cares about the pirates anymore, but I am surprised to see an intelligent fan like yourself who has posted very informative and knowledgeable comments on this site for a long time ready to say you just aren’t interested. I really feel like that happened to Penguins quickly (probably aided by the strike), and I really feel like it isn’t happening to the Pirates as quickly (though I could be wrong).
There are some good things happening with the Dominican facility investments, trade pieces playing well, and NH at least sounded excited and dedicated to performing well in the draft.
I really love baseball and I want to see a Pirates winning season some time in my life—I have never experienced even a competitive season ( I am 22 and I didn’t begin to follow the Bucs very closely until High School).
by DITO on
May 5, 2008 9:43 AM EDT
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Yeah, I love baseball too
But I only follow one team, and that team is bad and boring, and having for instance Burnett in the pen instead of Meek is in 99.5% likelihood not going to make any real difference one way or another. I have my memories of winning teams (sorry you don’t), but I’m getting old and they’re fading fast., and they’re not enough to sustain my interest. I’m sorry to be this way, but I recently realized that I don’t even bother turning the office TV (I work nights) to the game anymore, not even for a minute to see the score. They’re going to come right in at the 71 wins I forecast, plus/minus two or three, and they’ll have some 4-5 game win streaks and some 7-8 game losing streaks along the way and they’ll end up fifth or sixth and blah blah blah BFD. I’ve seen this movie way too many times before.
by bucdaddy on
May 5, 2008 9:57 AM EDT
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a great baseball game
Can happen at any time, it doesn’t have to be a pennant race, it could be two last place teams. Sometimes bad teams play bad, uninteresting baseball. But there is a lot of individual effort and rooting for your guy. The Bucs don’t need more superstars, well, they do, but what they need is some fan favorite players. We tend to evaluate players based on they might accomplish, and if they are moderately successful, what they could garner in a trade.
But compare it to Hines Ward, I can’t imagine a single steeler fan thinking what he would bring in a trade. You want to watch him play, you want to watch him do well, and part of the reason why you bleed the team colors is players like that. And watching them makes it enjoyable even if the team isn’t winning it all at the moment.
by vherub on May 5, 2008 10:14 AM EDT 0 recs
DITO
“There are some good things happening with the Dominican facility investments, trade pieces playing well, and NH at least sounded excited and dedicated to performing well in the draft.”
I agree with this as I have posted elsewhere in the past week or two. However, as we know, the draft and the scouting changes and new facilities in Latin America probably won`t pay dividends for a few years.
Whatever trades we come up with in the next few months will hopefully make a difference very soon.
If players like Nady, Bay, Marte and others are traded in the coming months, then the only reason to really be interested is to hope they do well to increase their trade value. You can be assured that we will be looking at a very different team come August, so why get too keyed up one way or the other about the current team? Of course I want them to win every game, but I`ve got to admit I`m also waiting for the current 2008 edition of the Bucs to be pretty much blown up.
We have to make moves and hope that deals will bring us the next Van Slyke, Drabek, LaValliere, Bream, Reynolds etc. We need to draft the next Barry Bonds, or at least a real impact player. We need to protect the Bobby Bonillas and Bip Roberts if we have them in our system. (We probably don`t.) I think that the current edition of the Bucs is like the `85 Pirates. I want to believe that the terrible team now can be made better in a few years, a real top-notch team. But the moves have to start now.
I`m sorry, but I don`t think Walker, Pearce and just about anyone else in the system fits the description of what we need. There`s always hope, but McCutchen is one of the very few to get excited about.
I know I`m talking in circles as the frustration comes out, but the June draft and the expected trades are more important for me in the coming weeks than just about anything that happens on the field.
by patthatt on May 5, 2008 10:43 AM EDT 0 recs
Yeah,
I don’t even know if I was making much of a point with my previous post.
It just frustrates me when people say they are done watching the Pirates (My father, brother, and a bunch of guys I play softball with) because they are sick of watching the losing.
As horrible as the Bucs are, I think this year will be one of the most exciting years in a while to pay close attention to the team. I expect a lot to happen over the course of the year, although we will have to endure many painful losses.
by DITO on
May 5, 2008 1:55 PM EDT
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Oh
and I seem to have misread earlier.
I though you said you would be uninterested in what they do in the June draft and the trades that follows—didn’t catch the “til”
Sorry about that
by DITO on
May 5, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
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evaluation
that’s what this move is about. management needs to know what they have in burnett before they start selling off the roster. meek did hamstring the bullpen and this move will certainly help with that but right now the emphasis with the team is on evaluation in preparation for a blowing up the team, not winning 69 games instead of 67. that’s why burnett is now here, jvb is still here and dumatrait is now in the rotation – to figure out who’s a AAAA pitcher and who’s a major league pitcher.
by johnnycuff on May 5, 2008 2:16 PM EDT 0 recs




