Pirates Sign Jordy Mercer, Chase D'Arnaud
The Pirates have signed third-round pick Jordy Mercer and fourth-rounder Chase D'Arnaud, both shortstops. Presumably, one of them will play second at State College, where the infield is already getting very crowded. The Bucs also signed 39th-round pick Albert Fagan, who's the mysterious guy who was drafted literally out of nowhere--he had no school affiliation. I guess we'll learn more about him soon.
The Pirates have now signed 24 picks, which is close to the number of picks Frank Coonelly and Neal Huntington suggested they might sign. Obviously, a lot of top picks haven't signed yet and many of the ones who have were very low picks, and it's only a couple weeks after the draft, so we can only hope the Pirates have had an easier time signing some of these guys than they imagined and that they're going to end up signing far more than 25.
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Target to sign
In this interview right after the draft, Coonelly said they’d sign 25-30. Since they’ve signed only half their top ten picks and none of the guys they drafted who figured to require above-slot money, the final number better be 29-30. So far, this is looking more and more like a DL/Creech draft, and a bad one at that. The 24 they’ve signed are overwhelmingly made up of guys who look like organizational players. If they end up signing only 26-27, all the optimism that their draft generated will disappear for me.
by WTM on Jun 17, 2008 4:00 PM EDT 0 recs
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WTM, who would they have to sign out of the guys who are left to make this an un-DL/Creech draft? The top 2, Grossman…who else?
by hisjazziness on Jun 17, 2008 4:29 PM EDT 0 recs
Drew Gagnon (10), Wesley Freeman (16), Quinton Miller (20), Brian Litwin (24), Zachary Wilson (26), Kevin Komstadius (29)... there may be others as well.
by Charlie on
Jun 17, 2008 5:18 PM EDT
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I think they`ve had every intention
all along of spending the money to sign the people necessary to have a helluva draft.
I bet people will be surprised at the lengths they go to to get not only the top draftees under contract-including Scheppers if he is healthy-but also many of the guys Charlie mentions above.
by patthatt on
Jun 18, 2008 8:30 AM EDT
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2008 Draft Analysis
While I will never claim to reach WTM status, I started up a blog following the players the Pirates selected in the 2008 draft. After seeing Chisenhall be drafted in the first round this year and Matt Clark tearing it up at LSU, I wanted to follow these guys for a few years and try to have some fun looking into the what couldve been from this year.
We better sign 30 players.
by ArchieRJG on Jun 17, 2008 4:53 PM EDT 0 recs
Wow, WTM...
Seems a bit too early to make the DL/Creech comparison. If the calendar reads August 13th, then I would see your concern. Don’t see the Fresno State kids signing until after the CWS. I’ve heard the Komstadius kid has a partial scholarship to UW, I can see him signing. IF they sign anyone above slot, the DL/Creech comparison should come to an end in regards to the draft.
Just out of curiousity, what is the most draftees the Buccos have signed in one year?
Also, I would be curious how many of this years #1’s have signed and how other teams are managing signing their draftees?
by ElliottBayBucco on Jun 17, 2008 5:40 PM EDT 0 recs
Read more carefully
I said IF they only sign 2-3 more. One is going to be Justin Wilson, who’s an OK #5 pick but nothing special. One will almost certainly be Alvarez. What will separate this draft from the crap we’ve had the last seven years is how many they sign out of the guys Charlie listed above. If it’s just Alvarez and none of those guys, then I see little difference between this and any of Creech’s drafts, except that the #1 should be better. Given how poor the system is now, adding one high-ceiling guy doesn’t do nearly enough to start undoing the damage DL inflicted.
by WTM on
Jun 17, 2008 7:57 PM EDT
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My guess
I think we’ll sign Alvarez, Wilson, and Colla for sure. From what I’ve read we are likely to sign Grossman. We should also take a run at the juniors who slipped to us late (Haniger, Hinson). After that we will either sign Scheppers if the doctors are satisfied or sign one or two of the high school fliers we took from Gagnon down. If I’m right, that looks like a A- draft for a rebuilding team; it would be better if we threw some more money at the likes of Wesley Freeman to bring in some high-ceiling talent, but I don’t see many low-budget teams doing stuff like that.
(Thanks a lot for your draft page by the way, Wilbur.)
by shayborg on
Jun 17, 2008 10:28 PM EDT
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Not Grossman
NH apparently said on the radio a few days ago that he didn’t expect Grossman to sign.
The system is almost devoid of pitching. I looked over the State College roster, which was posted today, and the pitching staff is pretty much prospect-free, which completes the class A trifecta of pitching garbage for the Bucs’ system. They desperately need to sign at least two out of Scheppers, Gagnon and Quinton Miller.
I can’t imagine they went into the draft expecting to sign most of the guys they drafted from round 33 on (13 of 18)-typically a team would sign just a handful of those guys, if even that-so I’m holding out hope that somewhere along the line they decided to sign more guys than they originally planned.
by WTM on
Jun 17, 2008 11:12 PM EDT
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Grossman
Hm, I was hoping we could make Grossman an offer he couldn’t refuse, but he might just be one of those guys that is completely unsignable. Hopefully he doesn’t turn out to be top 5 talent like Smoak.
by shayborg on
Jun 18, 2008 3:01 PM EDT
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This sounds better
From Dejan:
That raised the number of signed picks to 24 of 50, including half of the top 10. Management had forecast it might sign only into the low 20s, but that number probably will exceed 30 now.
by WTM on Jun 18, 2008 12:33 AM EDT 0 recs
I was going to mention this
It stands to reason that this would be the case, if they have any sense of self-respect.
by Dignan on
Jun 18, 2008 6:40 AM EDT
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June 16th not August 15th...
Coonely gave a guestimate on how many draftees they would sign… he probably underguestimated so those who are keeping track of the actual count would be happy to see they signed more picks instead of less.
by ElliottBayBucco on Jun 18, 2008 3:24 AM EDT 0 recs
additionally, he no doubt would rather have his prediction exceeded than not met. it would be very bad for him to give the impression of a disappointment in his first draft.
by johnnycuff on
Jun 18, 2008 11:29 AM EDT
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5th round money?
So, I’ve seen a couple of players mentioned as wanting at least 5th round money in order to sign and it’s made me wonder: what exactly is 5th round money? I didn’t think that players got too much in the way of bonuses after the first couple of rounds. Anybody have any idea of how much that would be? My initial impression is that it shouldn’t be something so prohibitive as to prevent the team from signing someone they want.
by Dignan on Jun 18, 2008 6:55 AM EDT 0 recs
I say do it
They’ve wasted money on much sillier things in the past.
by Dignan on
Jun 18, 2008 9:46 AM EDT
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Above slot money
Of the guys they drafted who figure to get above slot (as far as I can tell), these are wild guesses about what it’d take:
Alvarez—God only knows.
Scheppers—Without the injury, he figured to go #5-10, which is about $2M or a bit less. The injury should depress his value, even if he went back to college next year and had a big year. Seems like $1.5M would be the high end for him.
Grossman—He seems to be determined to go to college, but in case he’s not, BA had him possibly going at the end of round 1 or in the supp. 1st round. Slot money there would range from about $500K to a little over $1M.
Gagnon—He said he wouldn’t sign unless he went in the 5th round or higher. Early 5th round is about $150K, so he may be looking for a little more than that.
Seth Gardner—I know little about this guy except that his prospective college coach says he won’t sign. He looks like a guy you might pay $100K to, maybe.
Freeman—I have no clue. The decision to sign him supposedly will turn partly on how he does in summer league play. Maybe it’d take something like 3rd round money, $300-400K.
Miller—BA rated him 158th overall, which would be about the 5th round, but he apparently has a strong commitment to North Carolina. Seems like the high end for him would be something like 2nd round money ($400-500K), but 3rd round ($300-400K) might be more realistic.
Austin Wright—23rd round HS LHP who dropped due to a bad senior year. BA said he’d be easy to sign, but maybe not. I wouldn’t think he’d get early round money, but he’d probably get something well above 23rd round money, which is basically nothing. Maybe he’s just decided to go to college and try to bounce back.
Litwin—I have no idea. Since they’ve signed a couple hundred thirdbasemen, he’s probably not high on the priority list. I don’t get the sense he’s a huge prospect.
Zach Wilson—Based on BA’s ranking (140th overall), he should get something like 4th/5th round money, which would be maybe $150-250K. But he’s a Boras client, so he’s going to want seven figures. Probably the least likely of anybody to sign.
Komstadius—He supposedly wants $200K, so you’d think they could sign him for a bit less.
Some interesting guys who aren’t big above-slot candidates but whom I’d like to see them sign:
Jason Haniger—Wieters’ replacement at Georgia Tech, had breakout year when he got the regular C job.
Brent Klinger—JC pitcher who throws pretty hard and had good K rates.
Ryan Hinson—Clemson LHP with good size who was a very solid starter for two years and had weak junior season.
by WTM on
Jun 18, 2008 10:35 AM EDT
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Hey WTM, what about Uviedo?
You haven’t mentioned him in your prospect grades. Your player profile seems complimentary and it looks like he’s throwing a lot of strikes in long relief at Hickory. Any new thoughts?
by azibuck on
Jun 19, 2008 7:47 AM EDT
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Move him up
The numbers are good, but I haven’t seen him since last year. I was a bit lazy about adding guys to those grades, but I’d also like to see the guy at a higher level. I used to figure short-season stats meant nothing, but I’ve seen so many pitchers (hitters, too) dominate at Hickory and then hit a wall at Lynchburg that I’m beginning to think numbers don’t mean much until high A.
He did seem to have very good stuff when I saw him last year.
Tom Boleska looks very good at Hickory, too. In fact, he’s been a bit better than Uviedo. Harrison Bishop has also done well. Of course, they’re all relievers, and I’m not sure there is such a thing as a relief prospect. That’s another conclusion I’m kinda drifting toward.
by WTM on
Jun 19, 2008 11:13 AM EDT
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One would have to believe...
the PBC is going to throw some money out there beyond the loot Alvarez is going to get.
Coonely has a good idea how MLB teams handle the financial side of the draft from his previous position, whether he totes the MLB line or strikes out on his own path and throws out some cash has yet to be seen. Let’s hope he would like to be a successful CEO, not an MLB patsy. It will be an interesting two months…
by ElliottBayBucco on Jun 18, 2008 3:08 PM EDT 0 recs




