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A bunch of things went down while I was traveling:

-P- Ian Snell is headed to the DL, mostly, I gather, as a move to grab some roster space and allow Snell a couple days off. T.J. Beam went back to the minors, and Jimmy Barthmaier and Ty Taubenheim have been promoted. Those two guys will start the next two days. Neither had fantastic numbers in the minors, so don't expect much.

-P- I'll probably get in trouble for saying this, but isn't it funny how "chemistry" works? A year ago, Shawn Chacon was a team leader in Pittsburgh; this year, he's getting in a fight with GM Ed Wade, ignoring manager Cecil Cooper, and being released by the Astros.

I don't doubt that Chacon really was a leader for the Bucs. That he could be a leader one year and then be released for having a physical altercation with his GM the next illustrates some big problems with chemistry: personalities are volatile, it's hard to tell how a player will react when his situation is changed, and it's hard to tell which changes in "chemistry" would help a team and which would hurt it. On top of that, there are often two ways of looking at things: one year, Ian Snell is a hothead with an attitude problem; the next, he's a fighter who brings a jolt of much-needed energy to a moribund team.

Short of an Elijah Dukes situation where you have a player who's clearly insane, I'll stick to judging players by their performance. The effect of chemistry seems too complex to really predict, to the degree that it even matters anyway.

-P- The Pirates also dealt minor league pitcher Kyle Pearson to the Tigers for reliever Denny Bautista. The article mentions Bautista's similarities to Tyler Yates, which is funny because, before I read it, I was already planning to write that this move is copied straight from the playbook the Bucs got the Yates trade from. In each case, the Pirates dealt a relatively unknown minor league pitcher for a major league reliever with a great arm and control problems. As I've said before, I'm generally not too keen on the Pirates trading minor leaguers for older players at this point, but I think this is a worthy experiment. Pearson doesn't seem to have much upside at all and it looks unlikely he'll even get to the majors. I doubt the Pirates will be the team to finally get Bautista to throw strikes, but I'm happy to see them take some chances on players like him.

-P Finally, yesterday I had a chance to visit an enormous collection of Roberto Clemente memorabilia that's being housed in an old firehouse on Penn Avenue. (Jorge Posada also visited it recently.) From what I gather, it's not open to the public yet, but it will be soon, which is great, because there's some amazing stuff there. Specifically, there's a fantastic series of letters back and forth between Clemente and Branch Rickey regarding Clemente's contract for the 1956 season, the year after Clemente was a rookie. Rickey offers $7,000 and Clemente declines the contract and suggests $10,000 instead, based on his batting average, fielding percentage, and outfield assists. (You can look at that letter here.) A clearly angry Rickey then sends a massive letter threatening to send Clemente to the minors and suggesting that he fire his agent for giving him terrible advice.

Throughout the letter (which, again, was written in February 1956), Rickey raises questions about Clemente's walk rate and his strikeout-to-walk ratio, and proposes that instead of measuring Clemente's value by his batting average, he use a statistic that is something like this:

AB+BB+HBP
TB+BB+HBP

By this measure, Rickey says, Clemente fared poorly. You'll note that this stat is very much like OPS, except Rickey actually values walks more highly than OPS does. Obviously, Rickey's reputation as an outside-the-box thinker and sabermetric godfather is well-established, but it was still pretty fascinating to see this colorfully-written letter and read it from beginning to end. Anyway, you can take a peek at the collection here.

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I am just now getting around to reading the last Clemente book, and he is just about to finish his 1st season in Pittsburgh.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 27, 2008 9:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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I am just now getting around to reading the last Clemente book, and he is just about to finish his 1st season in Pittsburgh.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 27, 2008 9:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chacon

was trying to do Astros fans a favor. I’m sure Phillies fans applauded too.

There’s no way to know what made Chacon snap, of course, but it’s interesting to consider, for a guy who worked for both Littlefield and Wade, that even assholes can have varying ways of conveying their assholishness. We probably all knew guys in high school who were very popular assholes, guys who would do and say anything and somehow made it seem charming, or funny. We also probably knew (and I’m sure still do) plenty of assholes who are just plain mean. Not saying Littlefield’s one and Wade’s the other, just musing.

BTW, I had a working relationship with Ed Wade when he was the Pirates’ PR director and I found him helpful and easy to get along with. But that was 25 years ago and GM’s a way different job, so anything’s possible I guess …

The Clemente thing sounds fascinating. How’d you get a pass?

by bucdaddy on Jun 27, 2008 10:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually (re: Clemente) I was with a tour group that drove up from Wheeling on a charter bus to see an Indians game Wednesday and then Pirates-Yankees yesterday. Guess I picked a bad day to go to PNC for the first time in over a year, huh?

by Charlie on Jun 27, 2008 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Other news: seems like we signed 14th rounder Mike Colla

According to his coach he’s signed but hasn’t been put on a minor league roster yet.

by shayborg on Jun 27, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Patchwork rotation

I want to see the Pirates win each night as much as the rest of you, but I have to admit to some sense of relief that our starting rotation is a shambles. We have been close to .500 for several weeks now and, in the back of my head, I’ve worried that if we cross over .500 and reap all the fanfare and attention that might come with it, Huntington and Coonelly might try to make a run at contending in 2008. I know that contending is a long shot, but I’ve been burned by Pirates management too many times in the past to breathe easy.

Many of you may also quietly think the same thing: The shoddy, patchwork rotation might actually help solidify our status as a rebuilding non-contender and give management the green light to deal the players it sees fit (Nady, Bay, Marte, etc.) at the deadline or during the offseason.

I know that Neil and Co. have said and done all the right things so far, but I won’t breathe a sigh of relief until after they commit fully to the future as opposed to the present. Give Snell and Dumatrait as much time as they need to heal - and feel free to give Gorzelanny a breather, while we’re at it - because winning games in 2008 will do little in the grand scheme of things.

So I take back my first statement, in retrospect.

by Alleghenys on Jun 27, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chemistry

Milton Bradley doesn’t seem to be hurting the chemistry for the Rangers… or the frontrunning Bucs Dugout.

by azibuck on Jun 27, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha exactly.

by Charlie on Jun 27, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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