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Rays 10, Pirates 5

This could be a pivotal series for the Pirates. Jimmy Barthmaier made his major league debut tonight, and the results were predictable. He looks like he's got major-league stuff, but his minor league numbers indicated he wasn't ready. He had to be removed from the game after a couple innings, and the Bucs replaced him with the newly-acquired Denny Bautista, who pitched to three batters before being struck in the elbow with a ball. He then had to leave (who knows when he'll be ready to pitch again), and the Bucs put in Sean Burnett. At the end of the game, they used John Grabow and Matt Capps even though they were out of it.

The postponement of last night's series finale against the Yankees now looks like a blessing. Paul Maholm had given up three runs in the first inning, and while he showed signs of settling down before the game was called, it might have been a short outing.

Now the Pirates face at least two more days of what could be very bad starting pitching--Ty Taubenheim presumably pitches tomorrow, and Tom Gorzelanny is up the day after that. If neither of them can last three innings (and while no one likes a doomsayer, that seems like a real possibility), their bullpen will be seriously strained, particularly considering the injury to Bautista. Then after the series with the Rays, the Bucs are due to square off against Aaron Harang and Edinson Volquez on Monday and Tuesday. Harang's having a tough season, but his ratios are still good. Volquez has just been fantastic. These next few days may be a turning point for the Bucs.

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reporting no fracture on Bautista. Barthmaier sent back down to bring up Taubenheim.

by Thunder on Jun 27, 2008 11:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You're exactly right

I’m not one to post megadittoes if I don’t have anything to add, but I was thinking before last night that this series was a turning point, which may or may not be synonymous with “pivotal.” With the whole rotation healthy, this week was going to say a lot about what the PBC’s realistic ceiling was—and maybe that’s only flirting with .500, but still. Now, with starters commuting from Indy, this series is about containing damage. Whatever one thinks about the value of psychology and chemistry, both of those are a lot harder to maintain when a team is in free fall. They survived Chicago; if they get trounced by the D-Rays, let’s see how “reslilent” they are.

Other notes from the game:

-- No one minds a doomsayer when he's right, but let's not forget one positive, that the Bucs got to Kazmir, hanging a 4 on him in one inning.  It doesn't matter a lot, but it matters.  He was looking pretty tough before that.

- I’m really starting to think JR is in over his head. Calling for the bunt with Jack Wilson, no outs, guy on first, down 7 runs, when DBautista is up next…. Sorry, that doesn’t make sense on any level. Tony Beasley is also a disappointment. I don’t have stats, but he’s gotten a lot of guys thrown out this year. Even the Doumit wave, where he got thrown out by 45 feet against the Yankees… “but the pitcher was up next!” Ok, well, let’s break down the probabilities, and this could be done quickly - like, at game speed:

PROBABILITY THAT THE PITCHER WOULD GET A 2-OUT HIT: somewhere between 5-10 in 100, conservatively

PROBABILITY THAT A MAJOR LEAGUE OUTFIELDER WOULD not GET THAT BALL HOME IN TIME TO GET RYAN DOUMIT OUT: 0 in 100, unless you account for the possibility of Dave Dravecky-like catastrophic injury.

I don’t care if there’s two outs and the pitcher’s up next, you don’t choose to take the third out. That’s cretinous. Last night, he almost got another guy killed at third, I forget who, but whoever was covering third for TB dropped the throw. I’m sure that’s “aggressive baserunning” and “forcing the action” and etc etc. It would have ended the inning if TB had executed that part of the play with routine competency, and this isn’t second-guessing; that was by far the most likely outcome at the time.

I know everybody loves to second-guess, and it looks easier from the seats than it is on the field. But I think a good rule of thumb is that if a mgr/coach makes one decision per game that is obviously dumb AT THE TIME - not because it didn’t work, but because “not working” and “not adding any value” was the obvious outcome - then your team is in trouble. When/if the Pirates get good, JR isn’t going to be the guy to take them from 80 wins to 90. Maybe he was hired to be the steward of a 70-win team in transition, but I’m officially off the JR bandwagon. There’s got to be 750 guys who can do what he does.

(end semi-coherent off topic rant; resume coffee consumption; consider switching to decaf)

- KPat

by KPatrick on Jun 28, 2008 10:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wilson bunt

To be fair, it seemed like Jack was trying to bunt for a base hit, and simply did a poor job of it. I wouldn’t be surprised it he did it on his own. But you’re right that it was mind boggling. And don’t forget that immediately after that Bautista tried to bunt on the first pitch, with a man on second and one out. A lot of good that would have done. It looked like Beasley immediately came down from third to tell him to swing away. I was just shaking my head that whole inning.

Also, McLouth popped out trying to bunt his way on leading off the fifth. Then I turn on the postgame show on my way home from the game, and someone is complaining about the Pirates not bunting enough. Crazy.

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by MBandi on Jun 28, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bunting

is just a waste of an out.

And it’s even worse when you’re down by a ton, like the Buccos almost always are.

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by UtesFan89 on Jun 28, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only time you should really bunt

Is when there’s runners on 1st and 2nd and no outs or if the pitchers up with a runner on base. If you’re fast and think you can bunt your way on fine just don’t do it every other day.

One coach that’s notorious for bunting is WVU baseball coach Greg Van Zant…...he would have cleanup hitters bunt runners over even if they’re down by six runs…..easy to say it doesn’t work all the time.

by Bad Andy on Jun 28, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

God, Van Zant is such a weirdo.

by EmmaOMG on Jun 28, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Friday's Game

Wilson was obviously bunting on his own for a base hit.

I am not a fan of Russell from a strategy standpoint, but even Russell would not have had Wilson bunt in that situation.

As for Bautista going to third, my guess is that he went on his own even though I am not a fan of or defender of Beasley. I think that he has made many mistakes in judgement this year, both too conservative at times and too aggressive at other times. He does not think ahead very well.

I cannot believe that at this stage of the season, given how they have played, that the Pirates are ONLY five games below .500.

by thegunner on Jun 28, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maholm

back on the mound for Monday’s start.

by Thunder on Jun 28, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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