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The NL Needs the DH

A number of current MLB controversies have made it clear that the game is moving forward into a new era. One fan tries to find the best balance between past and present.

From http://www.splicetoday.com/sports/the-nl-needs-the-dh

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Baseball is an exhilarating yet frustrating mess of contradictions, and this fan is caught in the trap—like millions of other men and women (save George Will, whose pompous moral certitude about the sport is immutable)—of trying to reconcile “purist” instincts with the undeniable improvements in the game over the past several decades. Last weekend, for example, while watching a slew of inter-league contests via the MLB “Extra Innings” package (which, regardless of varying prices depending on your locale and cable provider, costs less for an entire season of televised games than one day at a stadium for a family of four), I finally switched gears and figured it was time for the National League to acquiesce and adopt the still-controversial designated hitter rule.

Heresy, I guess, but what the hell; if you’re a Milwaukee Brewers’ devotee, wouldn’t it be delightful to see the world’s tubbiest vegetarian, Prince Fielder, in the dugout, contemplating his next plate appearance, instead of anchored at first base? One league’s dominance over the other usually runs in cycles, but the N.L. seems mired in a slump that’s likely to run longer than the Great Depression, and this was evident once again over the weekend. Sure, the strategy required of an N.L. manager is more intricate than A.L. counterparts with double-switches and more sacrifice bunts, but the two leagues might be more competitive if older free agents (or crummy fielders) could extend their careers as a DH.

That said, and here’s one of those curveballs, I can’t stand inter-league play, even though it pumps up attendance and allows fans to see star players who were once a mystery aside from the All-Star game (which, of course, has devolved into a meaningless exhibition game instead of a proud showcase) or the World Series. My 13-year-old son, with whom I have the pleasure of sitting next to in our matching easy chairs in the homestead’s television room, adamantly disagrees, but I chalk that up to his participation in a fantasy league with a bunch of school buddies. I just don’t like the disruption of the season’s rhythm, the fake “rivalries” cooked up by MLB schedule makers—sure, the Cubs and White Sox make sense, but the Rockies and Tigers?—for the sake of novelty and profit.

I was watching the Rays-Pirates game on Saturday night and it was nearly impossible to tell which team was which: the Bucs wore the uniforms of the Pittsburgh Crawfords, while the Rays donned those of the Jacksonville Red Caps, and it was all a blur. I can’t even imagine what Vladimir Guerrero, the great Angel, would look like in a 30s uniform: with his dreadlocks and shaggy appearance he already looks like a hobo out in right field. Dan Haren (who could double for one of the cavemen in the Geico commercials), Manny Ramirez, Jonny Gomes and Henry Blanco aren’t far behind, and that’s just off the top of my head. (That said, it’d be even worse if, by some stroke of bad luck, Vlad ended up playing for the Yanks and was forced to conform to the Steinbrenner family. 

From http://www.splicetoday.com/sports/the-nl-needs-the-dh

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I take the other side on this one. And what does Vlad’s hair not matching a uniform from the 30s have to do with the NL adopting the DH?

Why shouldn’t pitchers have to hit? Why should the NL change to adopt the AL? Why is it the NL’s weakness that the AL says, “hey, most of these pitchers we have are weak hitters, so why don’t we just let someone else hit for them?”

The game develops, I know it does. Changes have been made, and many are good. But nine guys play defense and the same nine guys hit, that is just the way it is. Why not two designated hitters then, so a team with a good glove, no hit SS can DH for him, too?

Although I don’t really agree that Prince Fielder will be strickly limited to a DH role in the coming years just because he is a little fat, who cares anyway? If you have a guy that can hit, but can’t field, that decreases his value. Live with it, or get someone else.

by DITO on Jun 30, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not indeed?

Why not two designated hitters then, so a team with a good glove, no hit SS can DH for him, too?

I’m fine with the way things are, slight preference for the NL way, but the multiple DH idea might fly. In football, there are very few two-way players in the NFL. And they have specialists who only long snap, hold, punt, or placekick. So expand baseball rosters to, I don’t know, 35-40, and bat 9 guys and play 9 guys in the field. If some are the same, fine. If not, you’ve got 18 starters on game day. MLB defense would get a LOT better. It’s cockamamie, sure, but not an uninteresting idea.

by azibuck on Jun 30, 2008 10:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont buy the two DH part

SS’s can’t make the major leagues if they hit .050, pitchers can, and that is why you have a DH for the pitcher because watching them hit is boring, we all know the K is coming.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 2, 2008 11:23 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They certainly would make the majors hitting .050

with a stellar glove if a team knows they can DH for him.

by DITO on Jul 3, 2008 8:54 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ditto

I agree with Dito. I just don’t like the idea of a guy getting to hit without taking the field.

If the pitcher were no longer required to bat, I’d rather see teams simply go with an 8-man lineup. Perhaps stars like Pujols would get an extra at-bat each game. My preference, of course, is to have the AL adopt the current NL rules.

by bolton on Jun 30, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

with the 2 guys above. I don’t have much else to add though…

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by UtesFan89 on Jun 30, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like the DH

I understand the arguments against it but I personally enjoy watching AL games to see a DH. I’m not sure whether the NL should adopt it as I watch mostly NL games and always enjoy them without the DH.

For me the DH is a cool novelty I get to see in interleague play or when I tune into a particularly enticing AL matchup. And I see no real reason why the NL should make the switch.

by Chester J Lampwick on Jun 30, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Duh...

it’s so that the Yankees don’t lose Chien-Ming Wang to injury when he’s running the bases.

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The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 1, 2008 9:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NL should adapt it

So that I dont have to watch pitchers like Bartolo Colon be pathetic at the plate. I didn’t pay to see that fat man strike out 3 times. The other day I went to a Phillies-Angels game and Ervin Santana hit into 2 DP’s and struck out the other time, ruining 3 innings. I want to see people hitting that have a chance of actually getting a hit.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 2, 2008 11:19 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That just isn't a good enough reason

in my opinion. Pitchers should be expected to hit. This isn’t football. A team doesn’t have a separate offense and defense. The same nine guys play both sides of the game.

by DITO on Jul 3, 2008 8:56 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Honestly

How can a person who gets less than 100 AB’s a year be expected to competently hit major league pitching?

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 4, 2008 11:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Colon is a tub of goo who can't hit...

...why does his sloth entitle him to a free pass over guys like Micah Owings and Carlos Zambrano and Donttelle Willis, who actually give a shit and can make an opponent pay from time to time.

The DH is, at the core, all about making the world safe for the comically inept, at the expense of everyone else. It’s the sporting equivalent of Harrison Bergeron.

by Vlad on Jul 4, 2008 9:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wrong

The point of the DH is to keep pitchers from killing offensive rallies each game and to provide a more entertaining and more enjoyable sport to watch.

If it’s all about tradition then why don’t we just go back to playing cricket?

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 4, 2008 11:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PLEASE SON.....

i would be so mad if the NL adopted the stupid DH. its not baseball. the AL needs to take away the DH. a player that doesnt have to play defense? that is dumb. and a pitcher that doesnt hit? also dumb

please post something that is even a little bit cool. i hate this post. i hate the DH. i hope that if the NL ever gets a DH, that the Bucs still make their pitchers hit just to prove a point. that would be a amazing

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by omar moreno on Jul 4, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The NL needs the DH...

...like I need a second hole in my ass.

Part of the inherent beauty of baseball comes from the fact that all the players have to play both offense and defense. If a guy sucks at one or the other, his team has to use smart roster management and in-game tactics to compensate for his weaknesses, and there’s always a price to pay (either an offensive/defensive liability or an opportunity cost of lost tactical flexibility). The DH destroys the game’s structural symmetry, and it makes it too easy for teams to utilize players with severely unbalanced skill sets.

In my opinion, DH baseball isn’t real baseball at all, and people who want to contaminate the NL’s game with it should be ground into dust, with that dust then being plowed under and sown with salt, in order to prevent their wrong-headedness from spreading to anyone who actually understands and enjoys baseball.

by Vlad on Jul 4, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

About the "strategy" involved

Buster Olney or Steve Phillips that made on one of their chats, i forget which one it was, but that it actually involves less strategy because its automatic in what you do. You just do double switches, and if you cant figure out how to do them then you dont deserve to manage anyways. Its not more strategy its just more moves.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 4, 2008 11:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not automatic...

...in that you have to decide which player to replace. And more importantly, any double switch is going to cost a team tactical flexibility, in that they’re burning a bench player to make the move. The opportunity cost of the situation is one half of a system of checks and balances, and the DH is nothing but a free lunch for wannabe-players who can’t keep up.

by Vlad on Jul 6, 2008 10:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In the end

Each team just ends up burning through those bench players at about equal rates.

You forget that the DH allows a manager to “rest” a player while still playing him, meaning that if I go see my Orioles play and Brian Roberts is my favorite player. He can have an “off” day but I still can see my player. That point is petty i know, but it saves the dissapointment when Jason Bay wants a day off and thats the game you went to.

Also the DH is more for the Aubrey Huff’s and Milton Bradley’s of the world, those that can field but are about as much fun to watch play defense as watching a pitcher hit.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 7, 2008 10:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, in general:

If Steve Phillips says it, then that’s a good indication that it’s wrong. Just sayin’.

by Vlad on Jul 6, 2008 10:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am fine with that

Chances are it was Olney (or Keith Law) because I try and make sure to make their chats. But really at this point I have no clue anymore who it was.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 7, 2008 10:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Vlad

sums it up.

Or, to put it another way, players need to be able to play both ways, or they get the “Hack-a-Shaq.” It’s up to the manager / coach to work out a game plan. That’s what they get paid for.

But what do I know? I hate Astroturf, too.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 6, 2008 11:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On a side note

I agree that Astroturf is lame.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 7, 2008 10:45 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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