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Pirates 6, Reds 5

Do you like it when the Pirates score runs? Games like these can make you wonder whether John Russell does. It appeared the third base umpire tonight wanted the Pirates to score more than Russell did. (At least the ump called Ryan Doumit safe on a play in which he appeared to be out.) On your way home after a game like this one, you may have found yourself wondering whether Russell actively dislikes runs or is merely ambivalent toward them. If someone gave Russell some runs for his birthday, you might think, would he take them and use them, even though he would've preferred, say, a shower radio? If Russell were at a restaurant and the waiter brought a big plate of runs he hadn't ordered, would he send them back because he ordered the shrimp? Tough questions!

This was maybe the most frustrating win the Pirates have had all season. Despite some solid performances--from Zach Duke and the finally-hot Adam LaRoche in particular, and there were some great plays in the outfield by Doug Mientkiewicz and Nate McLouth--I don't feel like the Pirates deserved to collect a win here.

Jack Wilson got caught stealing twice in embarrassing fashion, once on what appeared to be a busted hit-and-run. Freddy Sanchez attempted a bunt with two strikes, lunging at a ball way out of the strike zone and completely failing to get it anywhere near fair territory. He then looked at third base coach Tony Beasley as he walked back to the dugout, as if he didn't understand why Beasley had made the call, or perhaps was confused as to whether the call was made in the first place. Then in the ninth, Wilson tried to bunt Chris Gomez over and got Gomez thrown out at second.

Yeah, all that stuff in the first paragraph is just grousing, and in the grand scheme it's nitpicking, and yeah, I'm still pretty happy with Russell for recognizing that McLouth and Doumit are major-league regulars, and yeah, that's a heck of a lot more important than any of this is. But it's still annoying to have to watch plays like the ones described above, and with Russell they happen fairly frequently.

Incidentally, Romulo Sanchez picked up his first big league save with a shaky, one-run 11th inning. If Sanchez manages to catch on with the Pirates, it'll be interesting to see whether the fans take to him, because he could inspire a sort of Nyjer Morgan debate. Sanchez, like Morgan, will probably end up being an exciting player but not a very good one. Sanchez's basic game is to throw fastballs really, really hard, often up in the zone. That will generate some awesome-looking strikeouts from time to time, but it will probably also generate a bunch of 470-foot blasts. Jerry Hairston drove in a run off Sanchez tonight on one high fastball that made me glad it was only Jerry Hairston up there. He hit it hard, but it only went for a single; many of the Reds' hitters would have knocked it at least 400 feet. My sense is that fans will be less forgiving of Sanchez than they were of Morgan, because Sanchez's failures will be at least as glaring as his successes.

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I was at tonight’s game, and while I agree about Jack’s awful stealing attempts, I don’t think they should go without all of the other key stuff he did in this game ultimately leading to the Pirates win being said, like for example his snag in the first inning on the rocket, and his great hustle and throw to nail Phillips going for two later in the game after the shot down the third base line. And then there was of course the 11th inning triple to get home the go-ahead run (granted Griffey Jr was inches from making a fantastic catch paving way for the extra bases).

The most pathetic part of the game was the bullpen performance. Two blown saves in one night, and this following a blown save last night. It was only a matter of time before they started pissing away the 3-0 lead come bullpen time after another good start by Duke. When we have to bring in Sean Burnett in the tied 9th inning, you know the depth of this bullpen. Same goes for having to use the AAA kid to close out the game, and promptly fit in well to his new Pirates uniform by not being able to throw a strike to save his life and giving up a run, leaving men on the corners, and having a flyball on the warning track be the final out when you DO get the win.

by TheShar on Jul 2, 2008 1:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

True enough, re: your first paragraph. I wasn’t mentioning Jack’s problems in that game to blame him. But you’re right, he was involved in a bunch of good things too.

by Charlie on Jul 2, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Russell

One was not a steal but Jack read ball in dirt and tried to advance and the other was a pitchout on which Dusty guessed correctly.

by buccoben on Jul 3, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quibble

I’m still pretty happy with Russell for recognizing that McLouth and Doumit are major-league regulars

I have nothing to go on, really, but I don’t think that’s Russell’s doing.

by matskralc on Jul 2, 2008 6:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Post-Gazette had an article-

I forget whose-that credits Chuck Tanner as someone who got people in the organization to give Doumit a real chance as an everyday catcher. Has anyone seen anything that JR was the instigator of the move?

As far as giving McLouth a chance to be a regular, they probably read Bucs Dugout.

by patthatt on Jul 2, 2008 8:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh, you give us all too much credit.

by Charlie on Jul 2, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Russell

I’m usually very inclined to give the manager the benefit of the doubt—he’s there every day, he’s a professional baseball man, he has far more information than I do. But, boy, does Russell make a lot calls that are open to question. Not talking about the pitcher batting 8th, which seems a little kooky but apparently has some statistical merit. But other lineup choices, bunting, bull pen usage, etc…I’m not ready to start calling for his head, just expressing some worry.

On the other hand, is it my imagination, or is Burnett starting to look like a major league pitcher?

by BuzzNutter on Jul 2, 2008 9:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Burnett

Is looking much better. As I watch him, I think that he is much more suited to starting or pitching long relief than being used for one inning. His overall mound presence and composure “says starter”.

by thegunner on Jul 2, 2008 10:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Burnett`s stuff,

“overall mound presence and composure,” show him to be best suited for what he is already doing: occupying a spot as the last lefty out of the `pen.

I`m just happy Burnett made it back to the bigs, and commend him on his hard work and dedication to the game. I hope that he can continue to give the Pirates somewhat of a return on their investment.

by patthatt on Jul 2, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand why Russell

insists on removing relievers that have gotten their opponents out in perfect order just to “save” them so they can be used again the next night. Why not stay with a hot hand and allow the reliever to pitch 2 innings if he is being effective? So what if he is not available the next night? Isn’t a likely win tonight more important than having him be available the next night? And why does the “closer” always have to be the same guy? It’s no wonder baseball managers are not paid as well as those in other sports—they are all sheep and all perform in the same way.

by Illinois Pirate Fan on Jul 2, 2008 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hear you

and the way they do it now is not the way it used to be. A team’s best reliever used to regularly work two or even three innings at a time and it was not at all unusual for that player to get 100 or even 120 innings. If you’ve got a chance to win a game today, win the damn thing; tomorrow might be a blow out one way or the other and the team won’t need their top guys anyway. Maybe these managers today know what they are doing but it takes a real leap of faith to believe that.

by WestCoastBuc on Jul 2, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

90 innings is now the threshhold

Orthopedics have told teams for about 10 years that 90 innings is equal to a starter getting 200 innings. Most suggest that throwing 60 or more pitches and then throwing the same number 3 days later is just as taxing as a starter throwing over 120 in a start. Find the last reliever that was effective in 100 innings and was still just as effective later in his career.

by buccoben on Jul 3, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mariano Rivera

107 IP in 1996, which was 40 more than his rookie year, 1995. Maybe he’s the exception, but he’s the first guy I looked at. I think you’re using an extreme to make a point. 60 pitches would be 3-4 innings. What about 30 pitches every other day? There is evidence to support that the best course for all pitchers is a regular throwing program—throw/rest/throw/rest, instead of what starters do now, which is usually pitch/rest/rest/throw/rest/pitch, assuming the standard 5 man rotation.

by azibuck on Jul 3, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More

Foulke, Scot Shields, Tim Burke, Franco, Tekulve (routinely), Greg Minton, Willie Hernandez, Reardon.

Also, in the age of specialization, relievers rarely warm up, then sit down, then warm up, then sit, warm up, then enter a game. That used to take a lot out of them over time. Now, if they’re warming up, they’re likely to come in the game.

by azibuck on Jul 3, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hitting Wilson ninth

would seem to make some intuitive sense if the one/two guys were good hitters like McLouth and Bay. But to do this with Sanchez hitting in one of those spots seems like a silly mistake.

by WestCoastBuc on Jul 2, 2008 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Especially since

Freddy is the worst offensive regular in the National League. Per Baseball Prospectus VORP statistics. Only player worse in the majors…Tony Pena for KC.

by Thunder on Jul 2, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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