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Perrotto: The Hopelessness is Gone

I really dislike articles like this:

However, there is a different feeling around the Pirates this season. That sense of hopelessness that surrounded the Pirates for most of the 2007 season, when they finished 68-94 is gone.

“I think anyone who has been around our ballclub knows it’s different,” said center fielder Nate McLouth, who represented the Pirates at Tuesday night’s All-Star Game at Yankee Stadium in New York. “We’re playing with a lot more confidence. We step on the field believing we’re going to win every night.

Well whoopiteedoo! I'm sure Perrotto is just reporting on what he sees, but the article is called "Turning Point?"

No. No, it isn't a "turning point." When the "turning point" finally comes, it won't have anything to do with a "feeling." Pirates writers publish articles about how much better the team's attitude is every time a new manager rolls into town, and nothing ever changes. Look:

Sports Illustrated, Spring 2001:

If you go by last year's public comments, the Pirates' clubhouse was full of finger-pointing with a laissez-faire manner. McClendon has vowed that the 2001 Pirates will adapt a can-do attitude and play hard every day.

The Post-Gazette, January 16, 2006:

...Tracy helped to keep the general mood incessantly upbeat, from roaring approval or cracking jokes to the unusual drill conducted Saturday in which he swatted liners and grounders at pitchers with their backs to a fence less than 50 feet away. It was a test of their reflexes that had the group chattering and laughing throughout...

The Pirates' annual minicamp that ended yesterday, Tracy's first on-field experience as the team's manager, left no doubt as to who will call the shots. And the passion with which he will insist that his teachings be taken seriously...

From bunting drills to nearly every aspect of the five days of workouts spread across the Pirate City complex, even those involving injured players, it all appeared to operate with the efficiency of the German train system.

Alles einsteigen! Der Zug nach Ninetyfivelossesstadt is leaving the station!

The Trib, April 6, 2006:

The record may be the same after three games (0-3 last year, 0-3 this year), but these are not the same old Pirates.

"Carelessness is not tolerated here any more," Jim Tracy said prior to Wednesday night's 3-2 loss at Miller Park.

This was more a State of the Union, as opposed to a challenge to a specific individual or an indictment of a previous regime.

Turns out they were the same old Pirates. Oops!

Pirates.com, May 26, 2008:

"It's definitely a lot different around here," McLouth said of the change of culture. "We've had a couple key injuries already. That's not an excuse, but that's something we've had to deal with. We're still in an OK position. I think when those two guys [Wilson and Doumit] come back, we're going to be even better...

"That's been the difference, that never-say-die attitude," Zach Duke said. "It's nice to have around here. The sky's the limit. We just have to decide if we're willing to pay the price to be as good as we can be."

I don't mean to bash writers who are just reporting what they see, and I do suspect that things probably do seem better in the first few months after a manager is hired. I'm sure even the Plymouth Prowler seemed pretty cool for a few months when it came out in '97. And then the people who bought it realized it stunk, and then they probably went out and got a Pontiac Aztek.

The problem is that changes in attitude, however real, don't last if you don't win, and you don't win if you don't have talent. Maybe John Russell will stand the test of time. Who knows. But in the meantime, Paul McKenna couldn't inspire the attitude adjustment necessary to help this team turn a corner.

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Meanwhile,

as the Pirates talk about turning things around with “attitude,” the A’s, a team in actual contention most years that actually knows what it’s doing, ship Joe Blanton to the Phillies for three minor-leaguers, after unloading Harden for a pack of prospects.

Walk the walk > talk the talk.

by bucdaddy on Jul 17, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the gamethread is not yet up, I will note here

that Freddy is in the 2-hole again, and I am unhappy about it.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 17, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why no Nate Sr?

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 17, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it's me again...

I forgot my screenname so I had to create a new one. Anyhow, I haven’t been on the site for a while but a few months ago I got a bunch of you upset by saying that I think this particular site is generally too negative. I don’t want to start a war here, but it is the internet, and people are allowed to have opinions…even if they are opposite of the forum leader’s.
I’m wondering what there was in this article that made you so upset. You properly mention that the title of the article is “Turning Point?”...a question, not a statement. The writer clearly states that the pitching is absolutely awful, and the offense has been surprisingly good.
I believe that the entire tone of the article equates more to the following quotes, rather than the one’s you chose to include. McLouth stated:

"I’m not saying it’s been a successful season so far. Being six games under .500 at the All-Star break isn’t going to cut it. At the same time, though, you can feel that things are turning for us. I think we’re ready to build upon what we did in the first half and have a better second half."

The writer then noted:
“The Pirates are going to have to pitch a whole lot better for that to happen. Their 5.24 ERA is the worst in the major leagues and the only other club over 5.00 is the Texas Rangers with a 5.10 mark.”

To me it seems that the writer is agreeing with what you are ranting about. The feeling that they are getting better is good…you want the players to have a positive outlook, however the writer makes it a point to establish that they will not get better unless the pitching gets better.
To recap, the writer is stating that even though the Pirates might feel better, nothing is going to change until the pitching gets better. How is that statement different from your opinion that “The problem is that changes in attitude, however real, don’t last if you don’t win, and you don’t win if you don’t have talent.”

Anyhow, commence with telling me how much of an idiot I am for not agreeing with Charlie. I’ll check back later to see if anyone else read the article the way I did, and thinks that Charlie is over-reacting, or if everyone just simply agrees with him.

by Bucsfanatic on Jul 17, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, my headline was probably a little unfair. Other than that, though, I don’t think I was ranting, and I didn’t even say that Perrotto was wrong about anything except the headline (which he might not even have written). I just don’t like articles about this stuff, because they’re meaningless and they appear whenever there’s a new manager town, not when there is legitimate reason for hope.

By the way, I don’t think it’s entirely fair to my readers, who disagree with me practically every day over something or other, to characterize them as sycophantic and to practically dare them to give you ammunition if they happen to agree with me about this issue.

by Charlie on Jul 17, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No ammunition needed

As I read that article, it seemed as though it would be something you would have agreed with whole-heartedly….some Pirate feels good about the team, but if the pitching doesn’t get better and they don’t win more, then it is irrelevant how that Pirate feels. I guess it was my mistake to believe that you would agree with the writer’s sentiment.

I know how you feel though. If I read an article that stated that the camaraderie in the Bucs clubhouse is enough to get them into contention, then I would be upset as well. In my mind, there was no need to attach that feeling to this particular article. You are a good writer, and I do find the site to be a good source of factual information, however I feel that some of the opinion is geared toward the negative. By now I have realized that I just used the BucsDugout “n” word, sorry.

As for characterizing your readers in any way…not my intention, however I do realize how easy it is to ruffle feathers, and how quickly everyone tends to want to stand up against the intruder, so I was simply anticipating that no matter what I said, most people are going to disagree with me.

by Bucsfanatic on Jul 17, 2008 10:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...

if the Bucs have reached a “turning point” but I do agree with Perrotto that the team is different this year as compared to years in the recent past.

by Deaner on Jul 17, 2008 11:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know much about the Pirates dugout

but over here (in my room), the hopelessness is just starting to settle in.
It’s going to be a long rest of the season/off-season/next season/etc.

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 21, 2008 7:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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