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Pirates vs. Astros, 22 July 2008

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Pittsburgh Pirates @ Houston Astros


Paul Maholm vs. Jack Cassel, 8:05 PM. Here's the box.

This is the portion of the season where the Astros really lose it, I think. Roy Oswalt is on the DL, and Runelvys Hernandez, Brian Moehler and Cassel are all in the rotation, or at least they all were until an hour ago. Despite already being out of contention, the Astros have traded for lefty starter Randy Wolf, who was in the midst of a bad season for the Padres, for pitcher Chad Reineke. If I were the Astros, I would've just taken my chances with Reineke. Wolf has already allowed 14 homers this year despite pitching in a park that suppresses them, and Minute Maid Park has a very short porch in left field; if I were an Astros fan, I'd be watching from between my fingers anytime a power-hitting righty came up against Wolf. 

Anyway, anytime a team makes a move like this at midseason despite having no real shot at the playoffs, they're in trouble. Decent move by the Padres, and a great career move for Reineke, who may suddenly look like a viable pitcher in PETCO.

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we

need a repeat of Maholm’s last start against the astros…8 innings, 2 ER, 17 ground balls

North Side Notch

by northsidenotch on Jul 22, 2008 5:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In the news ...

Jerome Holtzman, the Chicago baseball writer who “created the saves rule,” according to AP, died Saturday.

So HE’S the guy responsible for one of the worst rules ever? Hardly what I’d want leading my obit.

(FWIW, my obit will begin, “Bucdaddy, 105, shot to death by a jealous husband …”)

by bucdaddy on Jul 22, 2008 6:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What...

you’re gonna make it that long before making a husband jealous :) ?

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 6:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That made me smile.

by Charlie on Jul 22, 2008 6:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

holtzman

was the first one to come up with the idea of an official “save” statistic to measure relievers, but his invention was a more restrictive definition (can’t remember exactly, but I think the closer had to face the tying run). It was later changed to make it easier to get a save. So Holtzman is not responsible for relievers getting saves when they allow a 3-run lead to be cut to one.

According to this excerpt from the Big League Stew blog, the inspiration for the rule was a Pirate – Roy Face.

TH: You are the person responsible for creating the save rule in baseball. How and when did that come about?

JH: I think it came about in 1960. Elroy Face was 18-1 with Pittsburgh in 1959. I was traveling with the Cubs. The Cubs had two relief pitchers: right-hander Don Elston and left-hander Bill Henry. They were constantly protecting leads and no one even knew about it. The year Elroy Face was 18-1 he blew 10 leads. Did you know that? But they had such a good-hitting team they came back in the last inning and won the game for him. Elston and Henry were terrific. I thought it was not fair and that there should be some kind of index for the effectiveness of a relief pitcher. You couldn’t judge him by his victories. You couldn’t judge him by his earned run average because it should be lower than everybody else’s. A lot of the runs a reliever gives up are charged to the preceding pitcher. So I came up with the save rule and obviously it’s caught on.

by basmati on Jul 22, 2008 6:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK

Sounds like Jerome had a little more sense than I gave him credit for. Apologies.

by bucdaddy on Jul 22, 2008 9:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

saves

quit have opinions.
please.
the idea of a ‘save’ was pretty advanced.

by wskksw on Jul 22, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

zack duke

it is aguable that the pirates’ regarding zack duke as a major league pitcher based on the 2005 season, was the worst non-drafting decision that the organization-well that, and not understanding arbitration rules, and super twos-, made.
somehow this organization tethered its future to the idea that a left-hander, giving up a hit per inning, throwing a whole lot of line drives, and few pop-ups, walking a few here & there, was a part of a major league staff.
it wasn’t that they tagged him as a staff leader; it was that they believed that a whole lot of really poor pitchers could get together and put on a show
and they went out and collected a basketful of not really good throwers, without much athletic ability, a bare grip on the strike zone, and declare them “pitchers”.
hey, shoot, it worked with duke.
ksw

by wskksw on Jul 22, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cards fan Here, Trade Question

“The Pirates have been scouting the Phillies and Rays’ Class AAA Durham farm club heavily in the last two weeks but don’t appear close to making a deal with either team.

Among the players the Pirates reportedly have interest among the teams looking to trade are Cardinals right-hander Anthony Reyes and outfielder Chris Duncan, Tigers first baseman Jeff Larish and outfielder Matt Joyce, Yankees right-hander Ross Ohlendorf, Braves shortstop Brent Lillibridge (who was drafted by the Pirates in 2005) and outfielder Brandon Jones, Rays right-hander Jeff Niemann and a trio of pitchers with the Mets’ Class AA Binghamton farm club — left-hander Matt Niese and right-handers Eddie Kunz and Bobby Parnell.”

http://www.timesonline.com/articles/2008/07/17/sports/pirates/doc488010257fdda415779793.txt

What do you guys think of Anthony Reyes are once prized prospect stuck in AAA.

Reyes straight up for Marte?

3 years of Reyes for 1.2 of Marte

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 22, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marte

for a 26 year old reliever who has a 5.38 career ERA.

Sorry, sounds absolutely absurd.

Maybe if Dave Littlefield were still here…

North Side Notch

by northsidenotch on Jul 22, 2008 7:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, I wouldn’t mind taking a shot at fixing Reyes. I’d need something else pretty nice to sweeten the pot, though; Marte will almost certainly bring back a couple of draft picks at the end of the season.

by Charlie on Jul 22, 2008 8:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree

I wouldn’t mind getting Reyes in a deal for Marte, but straight up, no way. At least getting Reyes would provide an arm in the bullpen. But a straight up trade would be terrible

North Side Notch

by northsidenotch on Jul 22, 2008 8:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In our rotation

Reyes would be best used as a starter. But I do agree that a 1 for 1, Reyes for Marte is not in the Pirates best interests. They should get at least 1 more prospect. Duncan has neck problems and was put on the DL today.

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 8:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just saw that too

Not sure what your guys needs are but we have a lot of decent 4th and 5th outfielders.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 22, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unfortunately...

the same needs as the Cardinals…pitching.

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They should get at least one more prospect...

...because we’ll get two high draft picks when he walks after the season.

by matskralc on Jul 22, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fixing Reyes?

All our coaching seems to be doing is hurting the pitchers/making them worse. What makes you think they can fix him (just asking)?

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 22, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not a question of fixing Reyes

more that he seems to always be in LaRussa’s doggie house. Maybe a mental block…like JVB.

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If he stayed in AAA

all season…he’d probably lead the PCL in ERA. Right now…if he had enough innings…he would be third in the PCL behind Mitchell Boggs…and Tony Armas Jr.

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 8:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I recall reading once - and don’t ask me to look it up, because I tried a few months ago when I wanted to post something about Reyes, and I couldn’t find it - Larry at Viva El Birdos (one of the better bloggers in the biz, and definitely someone I trust with this kind of insight) being really upset with the Cardinals for the way they coached Reyes. He had had very good results until he started doing something the Cards wanted him to do (stop throwing one of his better pitches so much? Change his delivery, which had the effect of him leaving the ball up more? I forget). So fixing him may just be a matter of telling him not to worry about whatever the Cards’ coaches wanted.

Sorry this is vague.

by Charlie on Jul 22, 2008 8:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Force the Two-Seamer

They were trying to force the Two-Seamer down his throat when he preferred his 4 seam and change up.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 22, 2008 9:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He

mentions it here.

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 22, 2008 9:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hit

the railing above the yellow line. That’s one good thing about having the HD Houston feed here near New Orleans. Showed it clearly.

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 8:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Finally saw a replay

but I knew it was something like that cuz Gameday originally said double

Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!

by Raise the Jolly Roger on Jul 22, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In play

was the original call.

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 8:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just so I know ahead of time

How long does this have to keep up for Freddy before I get to say I told you so????

by matskralc on Jul 22, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No one was pulling against Freddy..

Most of the consternation was with JR for never moving him down while he had the worst first half of any regular in the league.

by Hitman Easler on Jul 22, 2008 8:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great Thread Last Night ...

Regarding Illionois Pirate Fan and the need for Huntington and Coonelly to pull the trigger.

Look, as a Pittsburgh native, I’m a student of the business of baseball first and a Pirate fan second.

But Illinois Pirate Fan is absolutely right. All he is saying is that the C & H boys have done very little in nearly ten months. We don’t know what kind of trades that they could have made or what they have been offered as the trading deadline approaches.

But no trades are slam dunks unless you are dealing with a Littlefield or another GM who needs to dump salary or is just simply inept at evaluating talent.

So trades are a calculated crapshoot that usually can’t be measured (although many have immediate opinions) at the time the trade is made.

If the Pirates don’t make some moves before the deadline, I, like Illinois Pirate Fan, will be very disappointed.

Let’s see what new management is made of.

by thegunner on Jul 22, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice wave

by Wiggington as Nady’s double went by.

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good news...

if you have other things planned.
Yoslan Herrera will start Thursday (good seats still available), and John Van Benschoten Saturday.

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 22, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good thing that

the Padres aren’t the strongest offense in the league. Get some hard hats for the bleachers though…and play single guys in the infield.

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

Look at the pretty picket fence we’ve put up on the board so far :D

Can’t watch the game tonight (probably for the best since they stink it up when I watch), but I’ll check back in when I can…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

32 pitches through 3

for Maholm. Some of our other “starters” need to take lessons.

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see

Wiggington’s range to his right hasn’t improved any. He barely moved.

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 8:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok, so I can't not watch :/

I have so much work to do, too.

The crappy announcers on every away feed make me appreciate our crappy announcers so much more…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 8:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C'mon Maholm

Do it for Estelle Getty!

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 8:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Berkman saves

Bautista from grounding into a 2nd double play.

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maholm = ace?

who would’ve thunk it?

by SpacePirate on Jul 22, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought he'd be

the key player on the team. But ace? Nope, nope.

by bucdaddy on Jul 22, 2008 9:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joey Bats...

is really becoming annoying.
Time to put Eye Chart in at 3rd.

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 22, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

that’s not happening soon enough

North Side Notch

by northsidenotch on Jul 22, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If at all

I’m getting a bit worried about that.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, but that doesn't seem like it's gonna happen for a while

at least Eye Chart will take pitches and look for something good. (most of the time)

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 22, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We know there is a number

in between that will make both sides happy. My question is what’s taking so long to find it.

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 8:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

he got good wood on it, but now we have a hole in our fence.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Holy Jose!

Great play.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Marte for Reyes

In response to the Cards fan way back when… I’d take Reyes and Bryan Anderson…he’s not playing in STlouis with Molina so he’s way more valuable to us.

by ChicagoBucco on Jul 22, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know much about the minor leagues and all

especially for the Cards…
but I really doubt they would do that. Unless they have Littlefield running the team.

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 22, 2008 9:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No Rasmus...

unless its Bay and Marte and we won’t trade them both within the division, imo.

i’d certainly be pretty happy with Anderson and Reyes though

by ChicagoBucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Woof

Good thing Doumit was paying attention there. Also good that Bourne wasn’t on… he might have made a break for home.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so, who thinks the dbacks got tired of waiting for neal...

to drop his pants on Marte or Grabow so they went with Bowden ( not a great GM imo) and Rauch?

I doubt Arizona is looking at anyone on our roster now unless we’re willing to shop Mclouth.

by ChicagoBucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

alright

lets not waste this leadoff double

North Side Notch

by northsidenotch on Jul 22, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3 lead-off doubles tonight.

Well, we got him on and over… just gotta get him in.

SmallBall™

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Freddy drives in the run!

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 22, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugh

Doumit should have got to second. When he didn’t, Freddy should have scored.

by matskralc on Jul 22, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man....

Doumit went braindead there.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know that he went brain dead

good play by the Astros…cause Doumit would have been meat at 2nd anyway.

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 9:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, after seeing it again

you’re right. Freddy could have been more of a distraction, though.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bay must be looking awfully good

to a lot of teams right now :(

I secretly hope we keep him, even though I know, I KNOW, that if a good opportunity comes up, we have to deal.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bay

is definitely making teams think twice about NH asking “too much for him”

North Side Notch

by northsidenotch on Jul 22, 2008 9:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's this...

a crooked number instead of a fence post.

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hehe

it’s an ornamental fence

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugh, my town is going to go mental

because the Phillies are losing to the Mets, and the division lead hangs in the balance.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

Bautista was robbed. Good play there.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maholm

is gunning them down. Good work.

I thought this is what our young rotation was supposed to blossom into?

Jason
The Hanging Curve

by poorboywilly on Jul 22, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He can be good

but he always seems to have that One Big Inning where all hell breaks loose.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

I wish some of our other pitchers could work this efficiently

Jason
The Hanging Curve

by poorboywilly on Jul 22, 2008 9:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You mean

“any” of our other pitchers, right?

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 22, 2008 9:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well yes

minus Capps but he’s on the DL right now

Jason
The Hanging Curve

by poorboywilly on Jul 22, 2008 9:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Show of hands

Who thought Maholm would be the ace? Yeah, that’s what I thought.

by matskralc on Jul 22, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

to his credit

he has cut down drastically on his walk total and improved his strikeout rate while maintaining a good groundball rate. That’s a pretty good recipe for improvement. But no, I did not see this coming.

Jason
The Hanging Curve

by poorboywilly on Jul 22, 2008 9:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maholm's peripherals

His K rate has ticked up a bit, but his walk rate is essentially the same and his GB rate has fallen a tad. All told, he is certainly an above average starter on a per-inning basis, and his durability makes him better than that.

by shayborg on Jul 22, 2008 9:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

His xFIP is almost the same (4.35 last year vs 4.21 this year [not counting tonight’s start]). Maholm was very unlucky last year.

by matskralc on Jul 22, 2008 9:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

okay,

so what’d I miss?

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 22, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ironically

that’s what’s making it scary :P

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 22, 2008 9:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously, I'm probably going to regret saying this

but this is the first game that I can remember where we just feel like we’re in control of the game.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just saw

the replay on Joey Bats’ play – fuggin’ awesome.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 22, 2008 9:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ace

I think Dejan can fairly raise his hand. He said more than once in spring training that Maholm looked like the best starter and would have a good year.

by basmati on Jul 22, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There’s a lot of season left. Phil Dumatrait looked like the ace six weeks or so ago.

by Charlie on Jul 22, 2008 9:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...

wish this solid start came against a team with a lineup as good or better than our own.

sorry… 15 years can make a guy pessimistic.

by ChicagoBucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hehe

lucky duck. Sanchez is rockin’.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

to be fair to Maholm, though...

this is what you are supposed to do to a team like the Astros at this point. Let’s see how he follows this up in his next start. One other thing to keep in mind with Maholm—up until recently, he was HORRIBLE away from PNC.

by SpacePirate on Jul 22, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HAHAHA!

Nice!

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doumit!

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 22, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn that was a shot!

landed on the railroad tracks

by Spooner on Jul 22, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good lord

Doumit just destroyed that pitch.

by matskralc on Jul 22, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think I've

seen Doumit hit one like that right handed…that was CRUSHED. Lee never moved.

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It took me a second to realize that was Doumit

I had come back into the room just in time to see that pitch get launched by a right-handed batter. I didn’t realize it was Doumit until Lanny said.

by matskralc on Jul 22, 2008 9:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It almost hit

that ball Pujols hit in the playoffs a couple years ago, which is still orbiting inside Enr … er, Minute Maid.

by bucdaddy on Jul 22, 2008 9:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

on the

replay of Nate’s dinger, the announcers said it was his 57th extrabase hit, to lead the league. Excellent!

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 22, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm going to the game

Saturday evening against the Pads. For some reason, it seems like I always end up at either a Padres or Astros game whenever I get to go…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No idea

I don’t really care, though… I just love going to baseball games no matter what teams or cities are involved.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey

if he can do what he did yesterday, it won’t be bad

North Side Notch

by northsidenotch on Jul 22, 2008 9:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

It is the Padres, and they’re not exactly baseball gods either :P

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 9:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2 straight alright starts from JVB in a row

Seriously?

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 22, 2008 10:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just looked it up

Saturday’s matchup is JVB vs. Josh Banks (2-4, 3.51) who hasn’t won in 6 starts.

Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!

by Raise the Jolly Roger on Jul 22, 2008 10:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Holy cow

the Phillies just tied the game in the 9th after trailing by 5-2 forever…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't let

this be the “meltdown.”

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 22, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

7-run lead

I’d like to think that is safe, even with this bullpen.

by shayborg on Jul 22, 2008 10:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thinking

and having it be so are not always usually the m.o. for this team.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 22, 2008 10:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Solid start by Maholm.

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 22, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha, if looks could kill

The Mets fans they just showed on the Phillies broadcast would have committed mass murder…. hehe, Muck the Fets!

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder if the hurricane

will interfere with tomorrow’s game being played…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hurricane is supposed to hit south texas

may be some rain, but unless there’s irrational panic, or it makes an abrupt turn north, it shouldn’t matter. Texas is a big place.

by lnewcomer on Jul 22, 2008 10:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right on.

I took a cross-country road trip a few years ago, and driving through Texas was 3 entire days of the trip… insane.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 10:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

jose

Nice to see Bautista upset in the dugout because he cost Maholm a shutout by bobbling that DP ball.

by basmati on Jul 22, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seems

Freddy is a triple away from the cycle?

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 22, 2008 10:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would be great irony

considering the batting turd he’s laid on the field for most of the season.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 10:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's

prolly still shagged out from running that inside-the-park job.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 22, 2008 10:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IF Maholm works through the 8th...

and can pitch the 9th, this would be only the 2nd CG of the year for the PBC…wow, that’s bad.

by SpacePirate on Jul 22, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think he'll last

There’s his first walk, to the light-hitting Geoff Blum. 103 pitches now.

by shayborg on Jul 22, 2008 10:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, if you're in favor of him being pulled now

JR will probably wait 2 innings before it even crosses his mind…

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 22, 2008 10:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there

probably isnt even anyone warming up

North Side Notch

by northsidenotch on Jul 22, 2008 10:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who's

up in the pen?

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 22, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If anyone is, they haven't mentioned it

but they were busy talking about teams putting punching bags in the dugout tunnels…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 10:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's through

8.

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 22, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another 8 IP

Nice game from Paul again.

by Brakeman8 on Jul 22, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jeebus

If you can’t hit ‘im, try to kill ‘im.

by bucdaddy on Jul 22, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd say

we’ve seen the last of Maholm for tonight.

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

108 pitches,

69 strikes, 39 balls. Good outing, I’d hafta say.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 22, 2008 10:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maholm

holds Berkman to 1-for4.

Excellent!

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 22, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maholm definitely done

He’s icing up.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 10:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Glad I’m not the only one who saw that :/

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 10:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Triple time

for Freddy!

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 22, 2008 10:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What a huge come-from-behind

for the Phils… whew.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 22, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno

Compared to other Bucco 1st round pitchers he’s the gold standard

by Brakeman8 on Jul 22, 2008 10:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um...

Maholm? Right now he’s pretty clearly the best 1st round pick we’ve made in 16 years.

by shayborg on Jul 22, 2008 10:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Burnett...

Going for him
-he’s in the majors
-he’s still on the team

Going against him
-he’s not that good

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 22, 2008 10:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Going for/against him

compared to the other 1st rounders (save Maholm)

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 22, 2008 10:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sakes.

Guy hits a batter and throws a wild pitch in asituation where if you set the ball on a tee the Astros wouldn’t score more than 3-4 runs of the 7 they needed. Throw. The. Ball. Over. The. Plate. Or get on with whatever you’re going to do for the rest of your life.

by bucdaddy on Jul 22, 2008 10:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No doubt about it

Hope good Ian shows up tomorrow for the sweep.

by Hitman Easler on Jul 22, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chance for a 3-4 road trip...

which I think most of us would have been comfortable with before the Rockies series started.

by Thunder on Jul 22, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Game!

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 22, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

huzzah

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 22, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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