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Padres vs. Pirates, 24 July 2008

San Diego Padres @ Pittsburgh Pirates


Clay Hensley vs. Yoslan Herrera, 7:05 PM. Here's the box.

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From Jason Stark, ESPN.com The price is too high

“Bay: The Pirates are asking for four players back—two sure-thing young players, one good prospect and a fourth prospect with upside.

Nady: A similar package, except they want three players instead of four—one sure thing, one good prospect and a third, more iffy, prospect. “

I agree….

by long4willie on Jul 24, 2008 5:10 PM EDT   0 recs

You agree that

the price is too high?

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 5:28 PM EDT   0 recs

wouldn't

“sure thing” imply minor-leagues?

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 5:52 PM EDT   0 recs

Wouldn't someone like Longoria

be considered “sure-thing” or something?
Or someone like that? Young, in the majors right now and doing well… “sure-thing”.

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 24, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Is The Price Too High?

There are only two words that ever must be conaidered in determining Bay’s, Nady’s or any other player’s value. Those two words are TALENT EVALUATION.

I would trade either one of them for two or three good prospects; however, my definition of a good prospect may be different than Huntington’s.

Huntington might get four players that don’t make it. Another GM might get two players and one or both might contribute.

There is no magic answer in terms of trades. It all comes down to TALENT EVALUATION.

by thegunner on Jul 24, 2008 5:54 PM EDT   0 recs

What will the market bear

While I agree with your observations, every commodity has a price that the market will bear and the Pirates seem to be asking more than the buyers will pay, at least at this time. Most high tier prospects have been evaluated and evaluated by those in the know, but you are right, a lot can not make the transition to the majors. This is where Huntington must be a better fortune teller (talent evaluator). The trading deadline is getting very close-I have faith a deal will be made for Bay, Nady, or Grabow, but definitely not at this price. I seriously doubt if Wilson and Marte will be dealt, as we’ll keep Marte for the draft picks and I don’t think anyone will want Wilson unless his price goes down-much like his batting average is going down.

by long4willie on Jul 24, 2008 6:10 PM EDT   0 recs

According to Gameday

CF McClouth
2B Sanchez
C Doumit
LF Bay
RF Nady
1B LaRoche
3B Mientkiewicz
P Herrera
SS Rivas

by Chester J Lampwick on Jul 24, 2008 6:40 PM EDT   0 recs

According to Gameday for the Padres

CF Gerut
2B Gonzalez
RF Giles
1B A. Gonzalez
36 Kouzmanoff
LF Headley
SS Greene (Jeff Spiccoli look-a-like)
C Hundley
P Hensley

by Chester J Lampwick on Jul 24, 2008 6:42 PM EDT   0 recs

Don't Drink the Kool-Aid

I won’t repeat anything I posted in the other downstream (on-topic) thread. But I got one question?

How did Billy Beanne become Billy Beanne? Not by saying “I’ve got to make a trade no matter what, so I’ll take what the good teams will offer me.” Billy says “if you want my good player(s) then you gotta give me solid value.”

If new PBC management wants to be Billy Beanne, then they gotta say “What would Billy Beanne do?” Not, “gotta make a deal to justify my existence, no matter what, so I’ll just take what they offer me.”

by WstCstBucco on Jul 24, 2008 6:43 PM EDT   0 recs

Who is suggesting the Pirates should just take whatever willy-nilly deal should come along?

by Charlie on Jul 24, 2008 6:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jayson Stark

And all his ilk.

ESPN believes the Pirates are a farm team for the teams that they like to publicize.

by WstCstBucco on Jul 24, 2008 6:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No, he never said that. In fact, he said the Pirates were free to ask for whatever they wanted.

If what he reported is true (and it may not be), then the Pirates are asking too much. There is no honor or benefit to be gained from being unreasonable in one’s demands and then not making trades as a result.

You act as if there is a grand conspiracy against the Pirates. Why would there be, when other moribund teams like the Rays have had no problems making trades once they got a good GM? Was ESPN leading the charge against them, too? I’m not the world’s biggest ESPN fan, but I have problems believing they’re giving Jayson Stark marching orders to write that they should give up their stars for pennies on the dollar. (Especially since that’s not what he actually wrote.)

by Charlie on Jul 24, 2008 7:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Beanne? Bean?

The least you lot could do is spell the best GM in the game’s name correctly!!

by matskralc on Jul 24, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Two of the Padres’ top three hitters are former Pirates.

by Charlie on Jul 24, 2008 7:12 PM EDT   0 recs

Blass is auditioning

to replace Ebert right now with his extensive knowledge of Mel Brooks movies. Also, Freddy is hitting again :D

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 24, 2008 7:19 PM EDT   0 recs

Eh?

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 24, 2008 7:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

just wondering

why sanchez wasnt waved home on that one

by northsidenotch on Jul 24, 2008 7:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

gues

it was smart…no outs 1st inning

by northsidenotch on Jul 24, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah.

Well, he scores on the sac-fly.
2-0

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 24, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hrmmm

The Pads are dreadful. Yay!

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 24, 2008 7:22 PM EDT   0 recs

Doumit stranded at 3rd.

:(

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 24, 2008 7:26 PM EDT   0 recs

over/under

on how long it takes herrera to blow the lead?

by northsidenotch on Jul 24, 2008 7:28 PM EDT   0 recs

Well

It is the Padres, so one of two things will happen.

a.) It takes them a couple of innings, or
b.) It’s fast, but since they suck, too, the game ends with a score of 17-16

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 24, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I like option c...

Never.

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 24, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually, in the context of the question

that should read forever

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 24, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

mph

Why does MLB say that he keeps hitting 90 mph with his fastball. I thought the problem is that he can’t get higher than 86.

by basmati on Jul 24, 2008 7:30 PM EDT   0 recs

DP!

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 24, 2008 7:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Gee, nobody ever mentions the gigantic nasty-ass plug of tobacco in Eye Chart’s mouth every time they yammer on about what an old-school gamer he is.

And people thing steroids are the problem for our impressionable youth…

by matskralc on Jul 24, 2008 7:38 PM EDT   0 recs

It always looks like JR is chawin’, too.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 24, 2008 7:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yup. Tracy was also real bad (or good, depending on your POV, I guess) about it. And Doumit, and LaRoche, and I’ve thought that I’ve caught McLouth but I wasn’t sure.

by matskralc on Jul 24, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

definitely LaRoche

by poorboywilly on Jul 24, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

anyone know

what happened to barthmaier tonight in indy?...he gave up 2 hits in .2 innings. did he get hurt?

by northsidenotch on Jul 24, 2008 7:48 PM EDT   0 recs

just found it

Chris Getz singles on a sharp ground ball to pitcher Jimmy Barthmaier. Jason Bourgeois scores.
Pitcher Change: Mike Thompson replaces Jimmy Barthmaier.
Injury Delay.
Indianapolis Indians pitcher Jimmy Barthmaier left the game due to an injured arm.

by northsidenotch on Jul 24, 2008 7:49 PM EDT   0 recs

Not good.

Injuries suck.

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 24, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

my guess

is he got hit in the arm by the ball…hopefully it’s not too bad.

by northsidenotch on Jul 24, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Whew

got out of a little trouble there…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 24, 2008 7:52 PM EDT   0 recs

Herrera

Looking better than Snell.

I will still be shocked if he gets through the order again unscathed.

by Hitman Easler on Jul 24, 2008 7:52 PM EDT   0 recs

It is

Herrera though…

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 24, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Whew

Took that one pretty deep.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 24, 2008 8:05 PM EDT   0 recs

Dammit

doing my laundry cost me watchin the runs.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 8:06 PM EDT   0 recs

What The Eff

4th inning? I’m only on my 2nd drink…

THIS is unusual.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 8:07 PM EDT   0 recs

JBAY

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 24, 2008 8:07 PM EDT   0 recs

So, New York...

Bay’s price still too high for you?

by matskralc on Jul 24, 2008 8:07 PM EDT   0 recs

Jason-ity!

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 24, 2008 8:08 PM EDT   0 recs

Argh

I’m going to miss Bay if/when we deal him :(

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 24, 2008 8:08 PM EDT   0 recs

Not to be outdone

Nady spits on Jayson Stark’s sources.

by matskralc on Jul 24, 2008 8:09 PM EDT   0 recs

Jason Legasse

...BAM!

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 8:09 PM EDT   0 recs

Hope they're not

the last….tonight!

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 8:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What a blow to your self-esteem

to have your first two homers be given up against a last-place team… but at least it’s a last place team with a WORLD CLASS OUTFIELD :D

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 24, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah...

when you’re getting beat by the Pirates, you must really chafe at that.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 8:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Did I

ever tell you about the time I beat Berkman at strip poker?

Not pretty, my friend.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh

just the first two of the season, not of his career…

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Jul 24, 2008 8:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

according to

Buccos announcers, first 2 of career.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well...

career is relative, right?
It only start when you think it starts…

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 24, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

X-Man!

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 24, 2008 8:12 PM EDT   0 recs

Herrera - #64

Does that mean he’s a lineman for the Packers?

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 8:12 PM EDT   0 recs

Oh yeah

I just realized that was the first homer by Nady in 3 weeks…granted, he had some time off for his son, but it has been a little bit.

by poorboywilly on Jul 24, 2008 8:13 PM EDT   0 recs

1-2-3

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 8:20 PM EDT   0 recs

Holy sh**

5 scoreless innings.
JVB just got one-upped by Herrera.

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Jul 24, 2008 8:21 PM EDT   0 recs

lol

that’s some funny stuff man

by poorboywilly on Jul 24, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cy Young?

How do I vote for Herrera? LOL

by Brakeman8 on Jul 24, 2008 8:22 PM EDT   0 recs

ERA

Almost cut in half. He’s at 10.64.

by Brakeman8 on Jul 24, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If we were in the Padres' division...

...a win tonight would put us 2 1/2 out of first place. :-)

by Brakeman8 on Jul 24, 2008 8:26 PM EDT   0 recs