Padres vs. Pirates, 24 July 2008
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 24, 2008 5:46 PM EDT
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From Jason Stark, ESPN.com The price is too high
“Bay: The Pirates are asking for four players back—two sure-thing young players, one good prospect and a fourth prospect with upside.
Nady: A similar package, except they want three players instead of four—one sure thing, one good prospect and a third, more iffy, prospect. “
I agree….
Wouldn't someone like Longoria
be considered “sure-thing” or something?
Or someone like that? Young, in the majors right now and doing well… “sure-thing”.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Is The Price Too High?
There are only two words that ever must be conaidered in determining Bay’s, Nady’s or any other player’s value. Those two words are TALENT EVALUATION.
I would trade either one of them for two or three good prospects; however, my definition of a good prospect may be different than Huntington’s.
Huntington might get four players that don’t make it. Another GM might get two players and one or both might contribute.
There is no magic answer in terms of trades. It all comes down to TALENT EVALUATION.
What will the market bear
While I agree with your observations, every commodity has a price that the market will bear and the Pirates seem to be asking more than the buyers will pay, at least at this time. Most high tier prospects have been evaluated and evaluated by those in the know, but you are right, a lot can not make the transition to the majors. This is where Huntington must be a better fortune teller (talent evaluator). The trading deadline is getting very close-I have faith a deal will be made for Bay, Nady, or Grabow, but definitely not at this price. I seriously doubt if Wilson and Marte will be dealt, as we’ll keep Marte for the draft picks and I don’t think anyone will want Wilson unless his price goes down-much like his batting average is going down.
According to Gameday
CF McClouth
2B Sanchez
C Doumit
LF Bay
RF Nady
1B LaRoche
3B Mientkiewicz
P Herrera
SS Rivas
by Chester J Lampwick on Jul 24, 2008 6:40 PM EDT reply actions
According to Gameday for the Padres
CF Gerut
2B Gonzalez
RF Giles
1B A. Gonzalez
36 Kouzmanoff
LF Headley
SS Greene (Jeff Spiccoli look-a-like)
C Hundley
P Hensley
by Chester J Lampwick on Jul 24, 2008 6:42 PM EDT reply actions
Don't Drink the Kool-Aid
I won’t repeat anything I posted in the other downstream (on-topic) thread. But I got one question?
How did Billy Beanne become Billy Beanne? Not by saying “I’ve got to make a trade no matter what, so I’ll take what the good teams will offer me.” Billy says “if you want my good player(s) then you gotta give me solid value.”
If new PBC management wants to be Billy Beanne, then they gotta say “What would Billy Beanne do?” Not, “gotta make a deal to justify my existence, no matter what, so I’ll just take what they offer me.”
Who is suggesting the Pirates should just take whatever willy-nilly deal should come along?
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 24, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Jayson Stark
And all his ilk.
ESPN believes the Pirates are a farm team for the teams that they like to publicize.
No, he never said that. In fact, he said the Pirates were free to ask for whatever they wanted.
If what he reported is true (and it may not be), then the Pirates are asking too much. There is no honor or benefit to be gained from being unreasonable in one’s demands and then not making trades as a result.
You act as if there is a grand conspiracy against the Pirates. Why would there be, when other moribund teams like the Rays have had no problems making trades once they got a good GM? Was ESPN leading the charge against them, too? I’m not the world’s biggest ESPN fan, but I have problems believing they’re giving Jayson Stark marching orders to write that they should give up their stars for pennies on the dollar. (Especially since that’s not what he actually wrote.)
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 24, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Beanne? Bean?
The least you lot could do is spell the best GM in the game’s name correctly!!
Two of the Padres’ top three hitters are former Pirates.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 24, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions
Blass is auditioning
to replace Ebert right now with his extensive knowledge of Mel Brooks movies. Also, Freddy is hitting again :D
.500 or bust...
Eh?
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
just wondering
why sanchez wasnt waved home on that one
by northsidenotch on Jul 24, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah.
Well, he scores on the sac-fly.
2-0
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Doumit stranded at 3rd.
:(
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Well
It is the Padres, so one of two things will happen.
a.) It takes them a couple of innings, or
b.) It’s fast, but since they suck, too, the game ends with a score of 17-16
.500 or bust...
I like option c...
Never.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Actually, in the context of the question
that should read forever
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
mph
Why does MLB say that he keeps hitting 90 mph with his fastball. I thought the problem is that he can’t get higher than 86.
DP!
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Gee, nobody ever mentions the gigantic nasty-ass plug of tobacco in Eye Chart’s mouth every time they yammer on about what an old-school gamer he is.
And people thing steroids are the problem for our impressionable youth…
Yup. Tracy was also real bad (or good, depending on your POV, I guess) about it. And Doumit, and LaRoche, and I’ve thought that I’ve caught McLouth but I wasn’t sure.
yeah
definitely LaRoche
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Jul 24, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone know
what happened to barthmaier tonight in indy?...he gave up 2 hits in .2 innings. did he get hurt?
just found it
Chris Getz singles on a sharp ground ball to pitcher Jimmy Barthmaier. Jason Bourgeois scores.
Pitcher Change: Mike Thompson replaces Jimmy Barthmaier.
Injury Delay.
Indianapolis Indians pitcher Jimmy Barthmaier left the game due to an injured arm.
Not good.
Injuries suck.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
my guess
is he got hit in the arm by the ball…hopefully it’s not too bad.
by northsidenotch on Jul 24, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Herrera
Looking better than Snell.
I will still be shocked if he gets through the order again unscathed.
It is
Herrera though…
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Dammit
doing my laundry cost me watchin the runs.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
What The Eff
4th inning? I’m only on my 2nd drink…
THIS is unusual.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
So, New York...
Bay’s price still too high for you?
Jason-ity!
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Not to be outdone
Nady spits on Jayson Stark’s sources.
Hope they're not
the last….tonight!
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
What a blow to your self-esteem
to have your first two homers be given up against a last-place team… but at least it’s a last place team with a WORLD CLASS OUTFIELD :D
.500 or bust...
Yeah...
when you’re getting beat by the Pirates, you must really chafe at that.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I
ever tell you about the time I beat Berkman at strip poker?
Not pretty, my friend.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
according to
Buccos announcers, first 2 of career.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
career is relative, right?
It only start when you think it starts…
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
X-Man!
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Herrera - #64
Does that mean he’s a lineman for the Packers?
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
Oh yeah
I just realized that was the first homer by Nady in 3 weeks…granted, he had some time off for his son, but it has been a little bit.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
Holy sh**
5 scoreless innings.
JVB just got one-upped by Herrera.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
lol
that’s some funny stuff man
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Jul 24, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Stupid
Cubs, Brewers, Cardinals & Reds…
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Who wouldn't
wanna play in the same division as the DogDirts?
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Please
don’t anyone eff it up by saying how well Herrera’s pitching
....’coz he AIN’T.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
So what happened?
When did the Pirates acquire El Duque?
And it’s really nice of Doc Brown to pick him up in the DeLorean in 1998 and deliver him to PNC for tonight’s game.
Andrews is on the horn
Greg and Blass brought up a good point… definitely get him out of the game before the sh!t hits the fan and leave him feeling good about his start. Bautista is warming up.
.500 or bust...
seriously...
he’s batting .331, 13 HR, and 57 RBI
by northsidenotch on Jul 24, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Cards
If they lose again tonight, they may feel like they have to make a move.
by Hitman Easler on Jul 24, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Just turned on the game
Jeebus, did someone slip hallucinagenics in my Diet Coke?
Yes.
Enjoy.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i love
having minky on this team. did you see him in the dugout look at the scouting report before that AB? he’s the best teammate any one of those guys has ever had. and then as soon as he started looking at it, others crowded around him.
what a leader…he’s like our jason varitek…without the .210 avg
And the all-star appearance...
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
He'll be another player
I will miss. He’s probably the best acquisition we made this year so far, though Michaels certainly has been a plus…
.500 or bust...
i really want him to stay...somehow
we should just fire JR and make him a player-manager
by northsidenotch on Jul 24, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice Line for Yoslan
Good decision by JR to pull him.
YH deserves another start after this performance.
CGz takes the walk
another run in.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
I'm going to the game Saturday
How’s the weather lookin’ for that region this weekend?
.500 or bust...
Nate
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Whoa, whoa, whoa...
Bautista punches out two in a row? Maybe there’s something to this hallucinogen theory…
.500 or bust...
3 up, 3 down
3 K’s for Bautista.
Nice!
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Well they weren't quite Murderer's Row
The 3 K’s were of guys hitting .213, .225, and .154 for the year, respectively.
Boy this Padre team looks bad.
Way to
take the shine offa the little victories, dude….
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll take it further
in 7 days, some of our favorite players may be wearing other team colors…
.500 or bust...
Yeah,
but that’s a given, innit?
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If it wasn't for all the teams worse than the Pirates
the Pirates would be the worst team in the Majors.
:)
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
hahaha
nail + head = you.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
:P
What I meant was that they’re tied with those other two teams with the worst record in baseball…
.500 or bust...
Are they really tied?
I assumed, based on everything I hear about the Mariners, that they were far and away the worst team.
Well, as they say… you learn something every day.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
That depends.
Is there a good Bryan Corey?
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
he was
our AAA closer like 8 years ago…
by northsidenotch on Jul 24, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
he just went 1-2-3 with Doumit, Jason-ity & X-Man
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Hey...
more random, pointless trade grumblings.
Does anyone think the Bucs match up with the Twins? They are rumored to be looking to free up a rotation spot, and they have Boof Bonser in the bullpen. I think they would want an outfield bat, and I am not saying Bonser or Blackburn would be the main guy in a deal for Bay or Nady, but they could be one of two or three players (the others being higher-ceiling prospects).
I've always liked the name
Boof.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Sorry
I don’t think that added anything to the conversation…
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
At least
you didn’t mention “dutch oven.”
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the name as well.
I guess no one is too excited about the prospect of trading with the Twinkies.
I like the idea
but I don’t really know any names on the Twins minor-league squads.
I mean, I’ll do a quick google search, it won’t tell me much.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Most of their top prospects
seem to be in the lower levels (class A and that jazz).
Not sure if that’s what NH is looking for (if the “major-league ready” thing is true)...
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Unless they want
to give up Francisco Liriano…who they can’t seem to find a spot for on their major league roster.
Yeah
most of their other guys (Gomez, Young, the pitchers mentioned above, etc.) are already in the Majors.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Sweet
they just ran a replay of that sick-ass catch Giles had against the Indians many moons ago, where he scaled the left-field wall to snag a catch.
.500 or bust...
One run in for the Padres.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Eye Chart has been an amazing addition to the team.
I like the guy.
One of the few (only?) guys I’ve seen play before… back when he was with the Twins and played in AAA.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
I think they need to give Nate Sr.
more pinch-hit at-bats.
He doesn’t get many, but he’s a lot better than the other guys getting them.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Albert Pujols is a Padres killer!
Geez… he took out 2 players (pitcher and catcher) in 1 inning.
.500 or bust...
I'm guessing
I missed something?
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Rivas
run in!
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Nate!!!
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Tell her to get in line
...um….wait…
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Ba-dum-bump!
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if the Padres writers are gonna
call us “hapless” as well…
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
The Rockies & 'Stros writers did it
of course, the ‘Stros (Berkman & Ausmus) also had comments about how embarrassing it was to get swept by the Pirates.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
They need to find the pitching equivalent
to Long… he’s made some good hitters out of our squad.
.500 or bust...
Game!
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
Welcome back,
offense.
We missed you in Colorado.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
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