San Diego Padres @ Pittsburgh Pirates GameThread, Jul 24, 2008 7:05 PM EDT

From Jason Stark, ESPN.com The price is too high

“Bay: The Pirates are asking for four players back—two sure-thing young players, one good prospect and a fourth prospect with upside.

Nady: A similar package, except they want three players instead of four—one sure thing, one good prospect and a third, more iffy, prospect. “

I agree….

by long4willie on Jul 24, 2008 5:10 PM EDT 0 recs

You agree that

the price is too high?

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 5:28 PM EDT 0 recs

Yes - if 2 sure thing young players are in the majors now

by long4willie on Jul 24, 2008 5:45 PM EDT 0 recs

wouldn't

“sure thing” imply minor-leagues?

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 24, 2008 5:52 PM EDT 0 recs

Wouldn't someone like Longoria

be considered “sure-thing” or something?
Or someone like that? Young, in the majors right now and doing well… “sure-thing”.

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 24, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up 0 recs

Is The Price Too High?

There are only two words that ever must be conaidered in determining Bay’s, Nady’s or any other player’s value. Those two words are TALENT EVALUATION.

I would trade either one of them for two or three good prospects; however, my definition of a good prospect may be different than Huntington’s.

Huntington might get four players that don’t make it. Another GM might get two players and one or both might contribute.

There is no magic answer in terms of trades. It all comes down to TALENT EVALUATION.

by thegunner on Jul 24, 2008 5:54 PM EDT 0 recs

While I agree with your observations, every commodity has a price that the market will bear and the Pirates seem to be asking more than the buyers will pay, at least at this time. Most high tier prospects have been evaluated and evaluated by those in the know, but you are right, a lot can not make the transition to the majors. This is where Huntington must be a better fortune teller (talent evaluator). The trading deadline is getting very close-I have faith a deal will be made for Bay, Nady, or Grabow, but definitely not at this price. I seriously doubt if Wilson and Marte will be dealt, as we’ll keep Marte for the draft picks and I don’t think anyone will want Wilson unless his price goes down-much like his batting average is going down.

by long4willie on Jul 24, 2008 6:10 PM EDT 0 recs

According to Gameday

CF McClouth
2B Sanchez
C Doumit
LF Bay
RF Nady
1B LaRoche
3B Mientkiewicz
P Herrera
SS Rivas

by Chester J Lampwick on Jul 24, 2008 6:40 PM EDT 0 recs

According to Gameday for the Padres

CF Gerut
2B Gonzalez
RF Giles
1B A. Gonzalez
36 Kouzmanoff
LF Headley
SS Greene (Jeff Spiccoli look-a-like)
C Hundley
P Hensley

by Chester J Lampwick on Jul 24, 2008 6:42 PM EDT 0 recs

Don't Drink the Kool-Aid

I won’t repeat anything I posted in the other downstream (on-topic) thread. But I got one question?

How did Billy Beanne become Billy Beanne? Not by saying “I’ve got to make a trade no matter what, so I’ll take what the good teams will offer me.” Billy says “if you want my good player(s) then you gotta give me solid value.”

If new PBC management wants to be Billy Beanne, then they gotta say “What would Billy Beanne do?” Not, “gotta make a deal to justify my existence, no matter what, so I’ll just take what they offer me.”

by WstCstBucco on Jul 24, 2008 6:43 PM EDT 0 recs

Who is suggesting the Pirates should just take whatever willy-nilly deal should come along?

by Charlie on Jul 24, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up 0 recs

Jayson Stark

And all his ilk.

ESPN believes the Pirates are a farm team for the teams that they like to publicize.

by WstCstBucco on Jul 24, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up 0 recs

No, he never said that. In fact, he said the Pirates were free to ask for whatever they wanted.

If what he reported is true (and it may not be), then the Pirates are asking too much. There is no honor or benefit to be gained from being unreasonable in one’s demands and then not making trades as a result.

You act as if there is a grand conspiracy against the Pirates. Why would there be, when other moribund teams like the Rays have had no problems making trades once they got a good GM? Was ESPN leading the charge against them, too? I’m not the world’s biggest ESPN fan, but I have problems believing they’re giving Jayson Stark marching orders to write that they should give up their stars for pennies on the dollar. (Especially since that’s not what he actually wrote.)

by Charlie on Jul 24, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up 0 recs

Ummm, I think he means like, IPF and at least one other poster here

by azibuck on Jul 24, 2008 9:23 PM EDT up 0 recs

Beanne? Bean?

The least you lot could do is spell the best GM in the game’s name correctly!!

by matskralc on Jul 24, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up 0 recs

Two of the Padres’ top three hitters are former Pirates.

by Charlie on Jul 24, 2008 7:12 PM EDT 0 recs

how about

that scoreless inning?

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