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-P- WTM's take on the trade is long-viewed as always. I agree with the vast majority of it. He says that although he would've liked to see the Pirates get more in this deal, the thought pattern behind it is radically different from and far better than Dave Littlefield's. WTM also notes that the pitchers in the deal were acquired mostly because organizational depth is such a glaring problem, and I agree. The pitching situation throughout the minors is so awful that the Pirates might have been looking at some Cleveland Spiders-type seasons in a couple years if the problem isn't addressed. Personally, I'm willing to put up with some really bad pitching if it means we can deal for upside, but the Pirates did also get a really high-upside player in this trade. Anyway, go read what WTM has to say. 

-P- The Post-Gazette reports that the Pirates asked for outfield prospect Austin Jackson in the deal, but the Yankees wouldn't budge. You may recall Pat and me discussing the idea of trading Nady for Jackson and Dellin Betances in our "Dream Deals" post. Oh well--some dreams don't come true. 

-P- You know, one nice side effect of this trade (and I realize this will be cold--no, frigid--comfort for those who hated it) is that it frees up a lot of money that could potentially be used to sign draft picks. There's about $2 million for Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte for the rest of this year, and then $5 or $6 million for Nady next year, and then a million or more for the compensatory draft picks we won't get for Marte. This wasn't a salary dump, but the Pirates should still have about $9 or $10 million they didn't have before as a result of this trade.

I mention this because sixth-round draft pick Robbie Grossman--you know, one of the high-upside, tough-to-sign guys--came to PNC today and loved what he saw. One problem, though:

But Coonelly has said the Pirates may have a lot of extra cash to spend if they cannot soon come to terms with top pick Pedro Alvarez. That's given Grossman cause to reconsider the Pirates' offer.

It's too early to read much into this--it could just be a negotiation tactic--but the Pirates had better sign Alvarez.

-P- In the comments, Thunder notices that the Bucs have added pitcher Jason Davis to the roster and designated Luis Munoz for assignment. Like Thunder, I can't imagine Davis will be with the Bucs long.

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A few thoughts...

on our team after the trade:

-  I think it was smart to jump when NH did, instead of waiting until the last minute as Littlefield always did.  Waiting until the last second usually means that you have fewer teams bidding, thus reducing your leverage.
-  It is cyclical, but it sounds like the most valued commodity in baseball right now is a cheap, controlled high end prospect on the cusp of arriving in the bigs but with no MLB experience.  Those are always valuable, but other than the most elite prospects (Price, Weiters, LaPorta, Bruce until 2 months ago) they should not be considered more valuable than affordable productive major leaguers in their prime.  Thus, an innovative GM may be wise to exploit this over valuing.  There is a fine line between innovation and insanity (and I'm not suggesting that we do this), but what kind of a high-A prospect haul (the guys who will the studs of double-A next year) could we get for Cutch?
-  Although I, too, expected a second high ceiling prospect in return for what we gave up, it is encouraging that we sold high on players that were generally thought to have uninspiring value on April 1.  If we'd traded Bay and didn't get a couple of high ceiling guys back, I'd be irate.  I am not a Bay believer and think that we should trade him if we can get fair value.  That said, his track record clearly distinguishes him from Nady helps put the return for this trade in perspective.
-  Finally, does anybody know how to prounced "Tabata"?  I heard that it is pronounced TAB-A-TA, instead of the more traditional TUH-BOT-A.

Good day.

by Uncle Nate on Jul 27, 2008 8:03 AM EDT   0 recs

Alvarez

Here’s my conspiracy theory on the deal with the Yankees. The Pirates could have dealt Nady elsewhere, but they knew Boras wanted him in New York for future financial reasons. So they agree to send him there (maybe for a little less?) and Boras agrees to make the Alvarez negotiations go a little easier.
Unethical, you say? Yeah, we’d never expect to see an agent be anything less that completely honest and above board.
Unlikely, I know. But impossible? If the trade helps us sign Alvarez for $1M less and put that on Grossman, it looks like an even better deal.

by TPenaRules on Jul 27, 2008 9:56 AM EDT   0 recs

Interesting, but don't you think

Alvarez would fire Boras on the spot?

by DITO on Jul 28, 2008 8:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Roster move

Jason Davis contract purchased from Indy. Luis Munoz DFA’d. Guess that means the Yankees pitchers all go on Indy’s roster, at least for today. Suspect this is a very short term move for long relief…or he’s just up for a day or two…as I believe the Yankees pitchers have up to 72 hours to report.

http://presspass.mlb.com/pp_viewer.asp?d=41281

by Thunder on Jul 27, 2008 10:32 AM EDT   0 recs

Yes! Yes!

Talk about the money. Good trades don’t happen in isolation, they affect future deals as well. The dominoes are lined up, NH and FC: Knock ‘em down, boys.

And speaking of money, for those of you who hate the deal and REALLY want X back, the Pirates can get in line and bid on him again in two years. When his numbers have fallen off a cliff. How do you think that negotiation will go?

by bucdaddy on Jul 27, 2008 5:01 PM EDT   0 recs

That sounds like sarcasm,

but I hope I am wrong. I pretty much agree with your post.

by DITO on Jul 28, 2008 9:01 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Who dares doubt Dr. Will Carroll?

Later in the day, Baseball Prospectus’ Will Carroll claimed Coke was the pitcher with labrum damage. Coke became even more confused when he learned that Carroll’s report claimed that he failed a physical.
“When did I do that?” Coke asked. “Do we have a date? I haven’t had a physical since spring training. I’m a New York Yankee, I’m coming out of the bullpen, I’m not hurt.”

by azibuck on Jul 28, 2008 9:59 PM EDT   0 recs

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