Report: C.C. Sabathia Traded to Brewers
The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel:
But believe me, folks, that's a deal. All that other stuff is formality.
All I know so far is that top prospect Matt LaPorta is in the deal. I was told two lower-level minor leaguers also are included. The Brewers refused to include another top prospect such as Alcides Escobar or Mat Gamel.
Wow. This may free the Dodgers, who were also involved in the Sabathia sweepstakes, to swing a deal with the Pirates for some offense.
LaPorta's a great prospect and the Indians, who've lost eight in a row, are far enough out of it that it was time for them to abandon their hopes of taking even a weak division like the AL Central. I think this could be a great trade for both teams--LaPorta is blocked in Milwaukee, and the Brewers just substantially increased their chances of making the playoffs since 1982--but I'll see who else is involved before I comment further.
UPDATE: Man, is it inspiring to see the Brewers do stuff like this. Every time the Brewers make some bold move to improve their chances of winning and augment their young core, I hope Bob Nutting thinks, "There is no reason this can't be the Pirates in five years."
UPDATE 2: The link above now says that two of the other players are pitchers Zach Jackson and Rob Bryson. Jackson, who Toronto included in the Lyle Overbay trade a couple years ago, is now just your standard AAA filler type. Bryson apparently has a terrific slider and could end up being a high-leverage reliever in the majors. There's a fourth player in the deal, who could end up being Class A third baseman Taylor Green, and exciting young hitter. If it's Green, the Indians get a very good haul here.
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A perfect match that would make
eHarmony jealous. Cleveland has a budding superstar at first base while Milwaukee has solidified themselves as true Wild Card contenders. They are better than St. Louis as we find out this weekend.
The Bucs will try to make their last push with a 7-gm homestand.
A losing homestead and Neal should start dealing during the AS Break.
by Bad Andy on Jul 6, 2008 8:11 PM EDT 0 recs
No reason to wait...
The scary thing is this homestand may give some false hope due to the competition.
I think we saw this weekend how far the Bucs are from being a true contender. It’s amazing we are only 7 under with an abysmal pitching staff and at least two black holes in the lineup.
by Hitman Easler on
Jul 6, 2008 8:36 PM EDT
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As far as I can tell
The Dodgers were never seriously in contention for Sabathia. Hopefully we can get something worked out with them.
by camoseven on Jul 6, 2008 9:54 PM EDT 0 recs
OH SNAP
I can’t wait to see how Phillies fans react to this… they were really, really interested in grabbing him. Hehe…
.500 or bust...
by phillybucco on Jul 7, 2008 12:08 AM EDT 0 recs
Phillies would've had a better shot...
...with some A/B+ prospects in the system. Top-drawer talent don’t come cheap.
by Vlad on
Jul 7, 2008 2:50 PM EDT
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From True Blue LA blog
The first discussion of this blog was regarding C.C. Sabathia, which now belongs to the Brewers.. The quote follows:
“The other part of the rumor is the Jack Wilson side. Jack Wilson would be an upgrade
on the trio of terror but actually an offensive downgrade from Nomar. If we trade anything of value for Jack Wilson I’ll be disapointed. He is a decent option for a team desperate for a SS but at what cost?”
Seems this person likes keeping with Nomar and is not impressed with Jack. Hopefully, Dodger management feels differently.
Hopefully, the Dodgers don’t see it this way.
by long4willie on Jul 7, 2008 12:47 AM EDT 0 recs
Er… I like TBL, but I think they’re way off base there. It’s far from clear, at this point, that Wilson is an offensive downgrade from Nomar. And he’s about a million times better than Nomar at SS, if Nomar’s recent play at 1B and 3B are any indication. If Furcal’s out, then Wilson would be a big upgrade for them.
by Charlie on
Jul 7, 2008 12:55 AM EDT
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But not big enough
To merit trading anything above a couple of C level prospects.
by Reddrummer9187 on
Jul 7, 2008 10:41 AM EDT
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Not sure I agree.
A solid ML regular (which Jack is) isn’t going to get traded for C prospects. C prospects are what you get for contract dumps or waiver-bait flyers.
I think the Dodgers are overpaying in most of the Jack rumors, but they’re dealing from a position of significant need, which never does much for your leverage.
by Vlad on
Jul 7, 2008 2:52 PM EDT
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Anything involving Kemp
would be overpaying for Jack, but a deal for Ethier may not be.
Unless NH believes he can get a lot for Bay elsewhere (say Brignac and a good, young pitcher from Tampa), maybe it would be nice to float Jack and Bay and see if the Dodgers would cough up Kemp, Hu, pitcher, and another prospect.
by DITO on
Jul 7, 2008 7:58 PM EDT
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Right, it seems inconcievable to me
that LA would part with Kemp in a deal for Wilson unless Nady or Bay was involved. They would just be trading one weakness for another. Maybe if Bay was included in this deal we could still get something good from Tampa for Nady whom I see is having another good evening with the bat today.
by WestCoastBuc on
Jul 7, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
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Why would we target Ethier?
He’s burned through almost all of his cheap years, and it doesn’t look like he’s got much ceiling left. He’s got some value, but I don’t know that he’d be a significant upgrade on someone like Pearce for us. We need to aim higher than “average regular” if we ever want to get anywhere.
by Vlad on
Jul 8, 2008 11:49 AM EDT
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Yeah, you're right.
I was pretty much thinking that if Ethier came back along with another, younger prospect in a trade for Jack, and the Bucs dump Bay and Nady later in deals not involving ML ready outfielders, Ethier will be a good fourth outfielder behind McCutchen, McLouth and Pearce.
We should aim, but a multiplayer deal involving a pitching prospect, too, would be a good haul for Jack.
by DITO on
Jul 8, 2008 5:49 PM EDT
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I like Ethier
I really don’t think I’ve ever overdrafted him, but I think I’ve owned him every year in the BD fantasy league. Also, he’s a pull hitter and would do well in PNC. I think he’d be above average.
I don’t mean to say we should “target” him, but if we got him in a deal I wouldn’t be disappointed.
by azibuck on
Jul 8, 2008 9:52 PM EDT
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If we got him in a deal...
...I’d probably wish that we’d gotten a younger player of comparable value instead, like one of LA’s catching prospects or power arms. Those are bigger system needs for us at the moment, IMO, and LA isn’t going to just casually discard Ethier right now with their current lack of OF depth.
by Vlad on
Jul 9, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
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