Perrotto: Dodgers Talks Continue

by Charlie on Jul 7, 2008 1:30 PM EDT

Multiple baseball sources said Sunday that the Dodgers and Pirates are in serious talks about a trade that would ship Wilson west. Wilson, who grew up and lives in the Los Angeles area, has the longest-running tenure of any Pirates player at the major-league level as he made his debut in 2001...

The stumbling block appears to be what the Dodgers are willing to give up in return. Two sources indicated the Pirates are having a hard determining exactly which players Los Angeles would give up in a trade.

A Dodgers source indicated that Los Angeles might be willing to deal center fielder Matt Kemp. The 23-year-old right-handed hitter, who has both power and speed, is considered a potential superstar...

If the Pirates are unable to pry Kemp away, they are also said to be willing to consider a deal in which they would acquire a pair of prospects: right-hander James McDonald and shortstop Chin-Lung Hu.

Get Kemp! Get Kemp! "Potential superstar" is right. We already recently discussed this rumor here, and I'd just assumed it wouldn't be possible to get Kemp for Wilson. It still might not be--this is still just a rumor--but if it is, wow. Then again, maybe the Dodgers source was suggesting the team would be willing to include Kemp only if the Pirates included other players. I don't know. What I do know is that McDonald and Hu isn't a bad package for Wilson, and

Kemp>>>>>>>>>>McDonald and Hu

By the way, if anyone is confused about Perrotto's "hard [time] determining exactly which players Los Angeles would give up in a trade" comment, this article from Buster Olney may explain it:

The Dodgers have frustrated other teams with their style of deal-making, which presents a constantly moving target and makes it unclear to other teams who, among the Dodgers' prospects, is actually available.

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I agree

but I’m afraid if you keep mentioning it here, the Dodgers might accidentally come across it and start to agree with you…

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 7, 2008 1:36 PM EDT 0 recs

Also keep in mind...

...The Perrotto Factor. Dude loves his (seemingly) unsubstantiated rumors. I hope it’s true, though…I’d take either one of those trades. Plus, the Dodgers are one of the few remaining teams with a potentially stupid GM at the reins…they really may be willing to trade a 23-year old “potential superstar” for an aging-but-still-flashy-with-the-glove SS…

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by The Boy on Jul 7, 2008 1:55 PM EDT 0 recs

If it was only Perrotto mentioning the rumors...

I might discount them…but they’ve come from several sources. I would like to see the Pirates get a decent pitcher…even if it’s just a prospect…out of the deal as well..even if we’ve gotta throw in the Duffster.

by Thunder on Jul 7, 2008 3:29 PM EDT 0 recs

Pitching, pitching, pitching...

our pitching staff is pathetic and we have outfielders aplenty. Please, Neal, get us some pitching prospects!

by ElliottBayBucco on Jul 7, 2008 3:31 PM EDT 0 recs

Dodger waffling

Sounds like a dysfunctional front office, which the Dodgers have pretty much had under their current owner. Coletti, who isn’t too swift to begin with, probably has sensible people like Logan White telling him guys like Kemp and Hu are the ones he needs to keep, and at the same time he’s probably got Lasorda and some of the other fossils yammering about proven veterans, most likely assisted by Neanderthal Bill Plaschke.

by WTM on Jul 7, 2008 4:04 PM EDT 0 recs

This sounds right to me.

Colletti keeps moving the goalposts because he isn’t sure exactly how much his trading chips are worth. He worries that he’s going to miss out on all the deadline help, so he makes an offer, and then he worries about getting taken in a deal, and he backs away. Lather, rinse, repeat.

by Vlad on Jul 7, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up 0 recs

Poor Neddyi

Plus he’s got Frank McCourt, the owner’s wife Jamie, their son, and Assistant GM Kim Ng (just profiled on Yahoo Sports) all giving him “advice”. He’s got to win this year with a team that’s under .500 but only 1/2 game out of first in the lousy NL West.

Meanwhile his DL’s salary is probably 3 times that of the Bucs 25 man roster. Not bad luck, but big contracts to injury-prone older guys (Jason Schmidt, Nomar, Penny, Andrew Jones, Furcal, Pierre). Guys that other GMs loudly passed on.

In his heart, he’d like to stick with the kids, but he’s afraid that if he misses the playoffs, it’s goodby Neddy.

And that’s why players who should be untouchable, like Loney, LaRoche (the good one), Ethier and Kemp, aren’t. No patience..

by WstCstBucco on Jul 7, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up 0 recs

Plaschke

HA!

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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 7, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up 0 recs

What's the difference

between “multiple baseball sources” and “baseball sources”? “Sources” is already plural, and “multiple” means “more than one,” so I’m left to conclude Perrotto was being redundant because 1) he doesn’t know what “multiple” means and/or doesn’t know that placing an “s” at the end of a noun pluralizes it, or 2) wants to dupe his readers by deliberately making “two baseball sources” sound like a lot more, or 3) is just an ignoramus who thinks he’s impressing people with jargony buzzwords. Or, I suppose, it could be all of the above. None of which does a lot for his credibility.

Neither does the missing word Charlie had to fill in. I wonder if anyone actually edits the copy at Perrotto’s paper or if they just shovel in whatever drivel he writes.

by bucdaddy on Jul 7, 2008 4:21 PM EDT 0 recs

Oh, good grief.

He probably just needed to fill a little extra copy, for kerning or whatever. No need to make a federal case of it.

by Vlad on Jul 7, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up 0 recs

Making a copy editor's case of it

It’s a bullshit word, to be blunt. I see it and I think: Lazy. There’s plenty of generality in the world, I can get generality anywhere. If you want me to trust you, you better give me specifics. Also? When it turns out that 99% of the trade rumors you report are wrong, an “ooops” once in awhile wouldn’t hurt either.

by bucdaddy on Jul 7, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up 0 recs

Just because it didn't happen...

...doesn’t mean that it was necessarily wrong. Sometimes, talks just don’t work out (to play devil’s advocate here).

I like Perrotto, even if he sometimes runs with stories before they’re 100% solid. Back when Meyer was the Pirates’ beat guy, he used to beat the P-G and Trib out the gate with stories all the time (he nailed their interest in Mondesi, for example).

by Vlad on Jul 8, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up 0 recs