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Gene "Lou" Collier:

Maybe Andy LaRoche, rated the Dodgers' second-best prospect before this season by Baseball America, will turn into the kind of corner infielder who is consistently productive, a player that is, you know, unlike his brother.

It's not that this sentence is even among the ten silliest in this article, but it's the one I'd most like to confront, because I saw a fair amount of grousing on this topic.

Adam LaRoche isn't a very popular player, in part because he appears to be less than we thought he was when the Pirates acquired him, and in part because his struggles seem apocalyptically awful because they always seem to coincide with the start of the season and the Bucs' annual descent into hopelessness. 

But if you would not judge Tom Glavine based on the performance of Michael Glavine, or Cal Ripken on the performance of Billy Ripken, or Vlad Guerrero on the performance of Wilton Guerrero, or Jack Wilson on the performance of Andy Wilson (and, yes, WIlson has a brother who played pro baseball--look it up), then you shouldn't judge Andy LaRoche on the performance of Adam LaRoche. There is no reason to think they'll be anything alike just because they're brothers. Andy deserves a chance to succeed without a cloud of unfair cynicism following him around all the time.

 

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That was

really one of the worst columns I’ve read in quite some time. Horrible.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Aug 1, 2008 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

how about

Tommie Aaron, Hammerin’ Hank’s brother?

by bryanzane on Aug 1, 2008 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't give up on Adam

At least not just yet. He impresses me as a fellow who gives a damn. I applaud effort after some of what I’ve seen over the years. Should he be able to start more quickly next year, he becomes a valuable asset.

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Aug 1, 2008 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

That is ridiculous

Adam LaRoche is the hottest hitter on the planet since game 82, we all know he struggles in the first half…step up and support the guy!!

by briankoco on Aug 1, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

It's not as though Adam L. is a historically horrible player

I thought the article was a cheap and stupid attack on the players and the team. The Pirates do not have enough in the minors to trade for the help the team would need to get to the McClatchy Line. What did Collier expect the Pirates to do? Trade for Manny? Bargain with the Devil to fix the rotation?

Dumb. Just dumb.

It’s clear some learned nothing over the last decade.

Steve Z

by steve_z on Aug 1, 2008 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Methinks

Gene relishes the role of being a contrarian a little too much.

by bucdaddy on Aug 1, 2008 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

The list of stuff to oppose is long

But Coonington’s trades are not on that list.

Steve Z

by steve_z on Aug 1, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude!

You are on fire with not understanding the meaning of words and phrases like “contrarian” and “sell low”.

by azibuck on Aug 1, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose . . .

. . . but wouldn’t giving the Pirates the benefit of the doubt in this situation be considered swimming against the CW tide?

This is a terrible disappointing, lazy column from whom I consider to be the best columnist in the city (and no, that’s not damning with faint praise—I think he hits a respectable .300 or so).

by richaude on Aug 1, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

In baseball, hitting .300 is good...

in being paid to be a professional columnist, .300 is bad.

by ElliottBayBucco on Aug 1, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

"then you shouldn't judge Andy LaRoche on the performance of Adam LaRoche"

In what sentence does Collier even imply that anyone should? I really don’t know how you’re getting from A to B there.

What it was though, was a cheap shot. Wholly unnecessary to the article and unrelated to Collier’s (idiotic) point. He took the mere mention of Andy to work in a crack at Adam. That’s a cheap shot. It’s as if he said, “Maybe Andy will turn into a star, or maybe he’ll turn into a pumpkin, like his brother.

by azibuck on Aug 1, 2008 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

What?

The first three sentence/paragraph/grammatical nightmares of that turd of a column all imply that Andy LaRoche sucks because Adam LaRoche can’t hit in April. What else could he mean by this?

Flipping through my ever-present compendium of weathered baseball axioms - don’t make the first or last out of an inning at third base, never intentionally walk anyone who represents the potential winning run, it ain’t over ‘til it’s over, etc. - it appears the entire volume is somehow bereft of the phrase “Two LaRoches are better than one.”

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by whygavs on Aug 1, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

Yeah, but he wrote the sentence Charlie writes. He’s implying LarocheJr could be any kind. That’s his point—“a lot of maybein’”. The references to his brother are cheap shots.

It was a turd of a column.. I just don’t see the judgment of Andy in there.

by azibuck on Aug 1, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Monthly splits are overrated.

Why should anyone care if a guy has 30 bad games in a row, followed by 30 good games in a row (or vice versa), as opposed to a guy who alternates good and bad games for 60 days? They all count the same.

Hot-and-cold guys help you just as much when they’re hot as they hurt you when they’re cold. That’s one of the nicest things about baseball – the 162 game schedule gives you a pretty solid grasp of a player’s true level of ability.

The only real danger is that you might mistake a streaky player’s streak for a genuine change in his level of ability (seeing a hot streak as a breakout, or a performance decline as a cold streak). Since Adam’s at a relatively static level of ability right now, that’s not such a big concern for us.

by Vlad on Aug 1, 2008 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

very unfair comment

you’re right… Pirates fans don’t need these sorts of comments… most of us are pessimistic enough already

by Deaner on Aug 1, 2008 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I did something......

I’ve never done before. This morning, before Charlie’s post, I actually called Collier and left a message on his voicemail. I will say that before I slandered him I told him my name and gave him my phone number. Then I told him he was an idiot and his article was one of the worst I’ve ever read. Seriously why do the three columnists at the P-G have jobs? They all suck. Yea we all know the Pirates have had 15 losing seasons. Can we add some insight into what is going on today? Something? Anything?

by David Todd on Aug 1, 2008 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll bet

that if we did not trade Bay, he would have written an article on how stupid we were to not get rid of him now when his value is at his highest.

by northsidenotch on Aug 1, 2008 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I enjoyed the line......

When Iran boasts of greater nuclear capability than previously suspected, no one says, “Well, that’s just Ahmadinejad being Ahmadinejad.”

Otherwise I wasn’t too excited about that column. And while I generally like Smiz more than Cook, I do not mind Cook.

by haven on Aug 1, 2008 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

The three columnists suck, period.

Surprised Collier good come down from the lofty heights of his perch in Latrobe to make comments about baseball.

by ElliottBayBucco on Aug 1, 2008 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

jason bay

with a wak in his first plate appearance just now

by northsidenotch on Aug 1, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Bay

Fantastic standing ovation from the Boston fans before Bay’s first at-bat. Signs all over the stands welcoming him. It gave me goosebumps, and Bay looked a little emotional in there. He had to step out of the box for a moment. But then he calmly walked on five pitches and quickly came around to score on a sac fly.

It looks like they are embracing him in Boston, which is awesome. Kind of weird seeing him wear #44 though.

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by MBandi on Aug 1, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

with a run scored and ...

a standing ovation, that interupted the AB, from the Red Sox fans.

by Pirate in Ole VA on Aug 1, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awwww

:)

That’s awesome. I still hate Sox fans, though.

.500 or bust...

by phillybucco on Aug 1, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

red sox fans, yankees fans, and cubs fans…i hate all of them

by northsidenotch on Aug 1, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just hate Yankees fans

Probably because I moved from Pittsburgh to Central Jersey after college and have lived here for over 20 years.

by haven on Aug 1, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Sox are in a different category

They only play by the rules of the moronic 1994/1995 settlement - basically dictated by the state of the game at that point. The others are different. The Yankees are a key element in advancing the situation through lavish free agent spending for, realistically, better than 30 years. Moreover, their ready access to captive revenues kills any delusion of “competitive balance.” The Cubs (not to mention the Braves; well, since I did, I’ll denounce them as well) are equally as guilty. The late seventies advent of satellite-cable television significantly damaged the value of local territories for teams like the Bucs and Reds. I remember well the sudden post-seventy-nine migration that gave us diminished attendance unless the Cubs or Braves were in town. The folks from Clarksburg WV, Salem, OH, and Oil City and Brockway that once made a BIG deal out of a trip to Pittsburgh to see the Bucs stayed home, watched the Bs and Cs and quit the Pirates, except when the beloved Braves and Cubs were in town. These folks represented a crucial constituency for the Bucs. While other factors - drug issues, (e.g.)—did contribute, I mostly blame three teams for the present situation, THE BRAVES, THE CUBS, AND THE YANKEES. Accordingly, a shutout this afternoon on XM, with Santo and that guy, means that this is a pretty good day.

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Aug 1, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, it is possible

that douchalism is genetic. i mean, it hasn’t been ruled out that the theory of the heredity of suckitude is at play here. i knew a whole family of boys who wet their beds until they 10 or 11.

it wouldn’t have been so bad going for sleep-overs, but they slept in the nude. i wish i had taken some plastic wrap or a couple of umbrellas.

by SamTheButcher on Aug 1, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Oops, leading off the 4th.

by Pirate in Ole VA on Aug 1, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

JB just made a sliding catch that MR would still be running down.

by Pirate in Ole VA on Aug 1, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gene Collier's next column

should be a retaction of all the garbage he spewed in that article. He’s a sarcastic prick to begin with and that article certainly proved it.

by Bad Andy on Aug 2, 2008 1:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Out here in SF

I’ve noticed that the sport’s columnists have become much worse the last few years, I believe because competition from the net has forced papers to cut costs. One of the ways they have done so is by firing people who could actully think and write. Even though I still get the SF paper to read on my way to work, I rarely even read these columns anymore they are so bad. I’m not sure if the same thing is going on in Pittsburgh or not.

Same story with the political columnist – the “conservatives” do nothing but parrot Republican talking points and the lefties are almost as bad, while a few years ago they had some interesting articles on both sides.

by WestCoastBuc on Aug 2, 2008 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

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