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Gorzelanny Fans Ten Red Wings Again! Otherwise Unimpressive (Only Half-joking)

For perspective on that headline, you might want to read at least some of this diary I wrote in June of 2006 when Tom Gorzelanny also struck 10 Red Wings.

Basically, he threw harder then, and harder more often.  I found my game chart from that 2006 game, and first of all, he threw 94mph twice even though in that diary I wrote that he topped out at 93.  But here are some contrasts, and you can make up your own mind about their meaning:

Pitches thrown
August 10, 2008 -- 90
June 14, 2006 -- 100

Pitches 90mph or faster:
2008 -- 9, topping out at 92.  90 total pitches thrown.
2006 -- 42, topping out at 94.  100 total pitches thrown.

Pitches 87-89mph
2008 -- 33
2006 -- 17

Pitches 84-86*
2008 -- 16
2006 -- 5

*Today, those were pretty clearly fastballs, 10 coming in the first two innings.  In 2006, 3 of the 5 were breaking balls.  In 2006 he sat at 91-92 and his offspeed stuff was 78-79, he was consistently in these ranges.  In 2008, he was 88-89 with his fastball, 80-82 with his breaking stuff.  In addition to the lost velocity, I don't think the narrowing of the gap between his pitch types is a good thing at all.

Still, the raw numbers would seem to say he was roughly equally dominant in both games.  Similar to the defense discussions going on about Nate McLouth, I have to rely on my eyes.  The gun could have been off either night.  Or it could be a different gun entirely.  In the interest of full disclosure, it only intermittently gave readings in the 8th inning.  But I believe in velocity and from my experience I trust the Frontier Field gun.

All I can say is he wowed me in 2006.  He just pounded fastballs at 92, 92, 92.  Today, 88, 89, and occasionally mixing in some Morrisesque 85's.  Maybe it was the expectation of (hopefully) seeing 2006 form again makes this just slightly disappointing.  Maybe it was the knowledge that he struggled this year, and that Tracy misused him (I hate the term abuse in this context, but feel free to use it), that did bias me as I kept looking at the pitch speeds.  Maybe it was just watching the game because there's also this:

2008 -- 5 hits, 4 OF flyouts.
2006 -- 2 hits, 2 outfield flyouts, one I wrote as "soft liner".

So all I can say is it felt different, and not in a good way.  The Pirates can use a guy who can pitch, but enthusiasm from last year's 14-win season probably ought to be tempered, at least for rest of this season.  I doubt he can rediscover top form this year.  Maybe with another offseason of rest.

I don't want to waste a lot of time on Marino Salas.  He was OK.  Strangely, he threw 93 warming up, but never topped 91 in the game.  And it wasn't a fluke.  When he entered the game and warmed up the first time, I was jacked.  He looked angry and he was bringing it.  Then a batter came up and he really looked like he backed off.  It was weird. After that warmup I was ready to see 95+ and I saw 91.  I should know this about Pirates bullpen guys -- when I expect more, I should expect less.

Finally, the player that has really stood out so far for me is Mr. Excitement.  I noted the other night his miscommunication with Andrew McCutchen (though Cutch was the CF).  He was also picked off that game, badly.  He was doubled off 2B Saturday night.  Today he lost a ball in the sun, I think.  It was a high fly that he was camped under and didn't even touch.  Strangely, this is marked as the 3-run "double on a fly ball to CF Andrew McCutchen" in the game recap.  Trust me, McCutchen was not involved at all in the play, but he picked the ball up so that's how it was scored.  And on a later adventure that Morgan caught, a guy a few rows back said, "That left fielder doesn't know what the hell he's doing."  Day game tomorrow too, Mr. E.

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Thanks az

for being our eyes. Those are interesting observations.

I see on the PBC blog that Indy’s going to add Duffy to the outfield mix. Maybe they can use some kind of softball configuration and left Cutch and Duffy cover all three outfields while they station Morgan behind second base to try to catch the tweeners … nah, he’d probably only run into the shortstop on every other ground ball or something …

by bucdaddy on Aug 11, 2008 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Ha! One more thing on Morgan

Just before the first pitch he started jawing with the Red Wings dugout. He took a few steps toward it, but was gently escorted back by the home plate umpire. I hadn’t noticed, but apparently Morgan walks toward the opposing dugout and takes a swing before getting in the batter’s box.

From the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle:

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080811/SPORTS06/808110320/1007/SPORTS

“It disrespects the game,” Cliburn said. “He wanders over there and struts in front of our dugout, doing his little swing of the bat facing us. It’s uncalled for, and I let him know about it.”
....
“He ain’t gonna get away with it at the next level,” Cliburn said. “I’m basically trying to help him. I hope Trent (Indy manager Trent Jewett) saw it. It’s up to their manager to police that. It’s going to lead to other things.”

by azibuck on Aug 11, 2008 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Salas

Maybe he’s backing it off a bit to try for better command?

by Vlad on Aug 11, 2008 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

Not seeing the game, take this with a grain of salt: I think that Salas going out there and firing it in his few warm up pitches just shows that he was sufficiently ready to enter the game. Starters gain velocity over the course of a game, but I think it is smart for relievers to be as loose as possible when they enter, and he was probably just making sure of that. He usually works around 90-92, right?

by DITO on Aug 11, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe so

But I rarely see guys warm up at full velocity, as the gun is on for the warmup tosses too. I’m sure it is different for a starter, but I’d have thought he’d dial up a 95 here and there if he threw 93 warming up. Shrug, dunno.

by azibuck on Aug 11, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

azibuck ...

What are your impressions of Andrew McCutchen? Is this a guy the Pirates’ starting CF in April? Judging solely from his Class AAA numbers, while not disappointing, it’s been a pretty underwhelming season.

by woobie on Aug 11, 2008 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

You nailed it -- underwhelming

He had a pretty bad game today, 1-4 with a walk. But the outs were 2 Ks and a GIDP with the game on the line. He smoked one ball in the three games I saw. A bullet off the wall in LF, but it bounced right to the LF and Cutch was thrown out at 2nd. He otherwise didn’t hit the ball with authority and had plenty of swings and misses. Six in the three games I saw, and he wasn’t facing any pitcher of note. Even his fielding wasn’t great. Twice he broke back on balls that landed in front of him, though both were day games for what that’s worth, though the sun never seemed to bother him.

by azibuck on Aug 11, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to say it...

but it really seems like this is an mental thing. We traded for another OF and promoted Pearce ahead of him. Does Cutch of a bit of a Diva personality. He definitely needs to start next year in AAA. For all the scouting reports on raving about McCutchen’s D, I have been hearing and reading a lot of things to the contrary lately. I think maybe Andrew has read too many of his own aritcles about him being the savior of the PBC. Maybe somebody should tell him that you still have to go out and perform. Thank God he is still young and I still have very high hopes for him but is anyone else concerned that he is still having trouble hitting RHP’s?

by Slick1 on Aug 11, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's 21 years old.

No reason to get worried. Most 21-year-olds are still in A-ball, and he’s playing well at AAA.

It’s not an overwhelming season, but:

a) It’s an improvement from his numbers last year.
b) It’s better than the average league batter (McCutchen – .766, League – .738), an encouraging sign, given his positional value.

He’s not going to come up next season and “save the franchise”, whatever that even means, but he’s on track to be a good, productive regular and make a few All-Star games before he’s done.

by Vlad on Aug 12, 2008 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Everything I’ve ever heard, from anyone, ever, indicates that McCutchen has exactly the kind of personal character you’d want from a prospect. He’s not a diva, he’s just learning on-the-go against players who are (on average) something like four years older than him.

If he’d gone to college, he’d probably be in rookie ball right now. That, or getting ready to start his senior year.

by Vlad on Aug 12, 2008 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

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