Pirates vs. Mets, 11 August 2008
by Charlie on Aug 11, 2008 3:24 PM EDT
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Pittsburgh Pirates at New York Mets, Aug 11, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
Zach Duke vs. Pedro Martinez, 1:10 PM.
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Can Duke make 2 quality starts in a row? That is the question. Also I like how Moss plays the field, if his bat comes around he will be a very solid left fielder for the bucs for the future.
I also have a question if anyone knows, How long are the 8 players we got from the trades under contract for
by Cence on Aug 11, 2008 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Players can become FAs after 6 years of major league service time
I know Laroche, Moss, Ohlendorf, Hansen and Karstens all had some major league service time befor joining the Bucs but I am not sure how much. So one would think that if at the end of this season the new players have less than a year of service time, we can contol them for 6 more seasons if more than one but less than two, then 5 more seasons. It is not quite that simple, since players get credited for a year of service time for something like 172 days while the season actually runs for 180 days or so.
I’m pretty sure we’ll control everyone for at least 5 more years though.
by WestCoastBuc on Aug 11, 2008 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you very much that should be a decent core for the coming years
by Cence on Aug 11, 2008 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rain delay?
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Aug 11, 2008 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
never mind
Meyer says game on at 1:40
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Aug 11, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This could be a game for our young players to gain confidence against a big name pitcher that has shown less than average stuff since coming off the dl this year
by Cence on Aug 11, 2008 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Daniel McCutchen
Today he is still in the game through 5 innings he has 4 strikeouts no walks and 2 runs both on solo home runs again, leading 4-2
by Cence on Aug 11, 2008 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why...
Is Batista starting over Moss in LF? Has Pedro decided to pitch left-handed today?
by EStreet on Aug 11, 2008 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and Duke is off to a great start.
what are the odds that he’s demoted to Indy after the game?
by humbucker on Aug 11, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
boxscore
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=280811121
Mets lead 3-0 after 1 inning.
by humbucker on Aug 11, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We're gonna have to
come up with some kind of abbreviation for the McCutchens.
ACutch and DCutch from now on, please!
by RDV across the sea on Aug 11, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not according to the gamecast on CBS Sportsline – is it wrong?
by EStreet on Aug 11, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duke
It’s probably time to stop blaming stuff the pitching coach did to him two-and-a-half years ago. This is on him now. He’s beyond awful at this point.
by EStreet on Aug 11, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good. They made the change on the website
by EStreet on Aug 11, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duke just struck out the opposing pitcher!
swinging, on a full count!
goodness how exciting… oh wait, another error. Back to earth…
by humbucker on Aug 11, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone Know when Freeman will be in the organization?
by Cence on Aug 11, 2008 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And erased
on the fielder’s choice.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
... and out at third on Gomez' FC.
how does this happen? with first base open, you don’t have to run on such a play, Pearce….
by humbucker on Aug 11, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
young players are going to make mistakes, but baserunning mistakes should never happen
by Cence on Aug 11, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
top of the third inning!
which Pirate makes an error this inning? my bet is Duke.
by humbucker on Aug 11, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who needs errors
when you can just give up hit after hit?
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duke's pitch count
69 pitches thru 3 innings:
1st – 29
2nd – 20
3rd – 20
the Pirates defense certainly isn’t helping, by giving the Mets an extra out each inning, but Duke has been remarkably inefficient thus far.
by humbucker on Aug 11, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bottom of the 4th inning -- Pirates now have more baserunners than errors!
here’s the chance to tie it up, though. I’ll go with Pearce for the error this inning (great job leaving the bases loaded in the top of the inning).
by humbucker on Aug 11, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no errors, and a scoreless inning!
and 12 pitches by Duke, including the K and the double.
by humbucker on Aug 11, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No error that inning!
Now if only we could score…...
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Aug 11, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gah...
rivas K
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Aug 11, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Indeed!
and Doumit can tie it with one swing.
by humbucker on Aug 11, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
k
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Aug 11, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eyechart again
I’d really like to see them resign him for another year or two.
by WestCoastBuc on Aug 11, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seconded.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow Adam Dunn is now a Diamondback
5 Quality Starts in a row/Aug. 08
by .500 Please on Aug 11, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Wow…
what’d it cost them?
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I understand the rule correctly
Duke is still alive to keep our quality start steak alive since two of the runs are unearned. He still needs to finish one more inning and I wouldn’t think he’d hit if his turn comes up but it still wouldn’t surprise me to see JR to send him up there with the wood in his hand with, say, the bases loaded and one out.
Never mind that, I see there is already two out.;
by WestCoastBuc on Aug 11, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn
another homer for the Mets.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It is hard for me to understand why the Dodgers didn't claim Dunn
just to block AZ. I doubt the Reds would have allowed the Dodgers to have him for nothing just to dump the salary, but even if they did the Dodgers would then get the comp picks.
by WestCoastBuc on Aug 11, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If they'd claimed Dunn
That’d given the Dodgers 6 starting outfielders.
P.S. Dude, sorry I almost ripped-off your handle.
by WstCstBucco on Aug 11, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duke
6 innings, 3 ER (so far)
Does that count as a “quality” start?
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2 runs for a quality start?
I guess that means that the Pirates run is over.
So sad… the team was doing so well during this stretch.
Oh wait…
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per Wikipedia
A quality start is 3 ER in 6 IP. So Duke qualifies.
by WstCstBucco on Aug 11, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so, by a strict literal definition.
but ‘leading’ your team to a 5-1 deficit is not very high quality.
at least the errors seem to have subsided. between the shoddy D and the bad baserunning early on, I would say it looked like a Little League game, but that would be an insult to Little League players.
wait a minute, the score is now 5-2?
by humbucker on Aug 11, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Who sacrifices with a 3 run deficit in the 7th? Was McClouth bunting for a base hit? It’s crazy—he’s the team’s no. 1 slugger. Is JR trying to avoid big innings?
by WstCstBucco on Aug 11, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nate
sac bunting. :(
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bunting for a base hit
he was bunting for a base hit, he was upset with himself after the bunt
by Cence on Aug 11, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As Mel Gibson said
“Swing away Merrill. Merrill… swing away.”
by WstCstBucco on Aug 11, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, okay
Gameday just said “Nate McLouth out on sacrifice bunt”
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eye Chart!
& Doumit too!
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Without silly sacrifice
Might have had tying run on third now with only one out.
by WstCstBucco on Aug 11, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
5-4
Time for a newcomer to finally come through in the clutch
by Cence on Aug 11, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or not.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have been in the Majors before
They should know how to hit
by Cence on Aug 11, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duaner Sanchez
Another good pitcher Littlefield just gave up on. Anyone remember what PBC got for him? I guess he just threw too hard. :)
by WstCstBucco on Aug 11, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FYI, PBC got squat for D. Sanchez
he was claimed off waivers by the Dodgers in November 2003
by humbucker on Aug 11, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez just waived
tAnd I’m guessing there were about a dozen guys kept on the 40 man roster at that time that are out of BB now.
BTW anyone remember when the Mets hid the fact that Sanchez was in a serious car accident and made a quick deal to steal Hernandez and Perez from the PBC (though the team did get X-man)? Oh that DL—what a scamp. :(
by WstCstBucco on Aug 11, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
I knew at the time that Sanchez had been in a serious car accident.
It had been in the news for a bit… did DL really not know that?
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep -- DL was totally ignorant
NY Daily News says “General manager Omar Minaya, who two weeks earlier was unwilling to trade outfielder Xavier Nady to Pittsburgh, kept the accident quiet as he reengaged Pirates GM Dave Littlefield about a deal.”
by WstCstBucco on Aug 11, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
0-2 double
have to pitch with better location there
by Cence on Aug 11, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
very odd...
... an intentional walk that did NOT come back to bite us.
and now 4 straight errorless innings! wooo!
by humbucker on Aug 11, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And now one of the hardest throwing RP in the majors
are pitching to the PBC rooks. Nice of JR to put them 3 in a row in the batting order.
by WstCstBucco on Aug 11, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who
is Mets closer? Wagner’s hurt..
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Aug 11, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heilman in
PBC needs a run
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Aug 11, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nate K's
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Aug 11, 2008 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
PBC
needs to sign it’s draft picks!
by RDV across the sea on Aug 11, 2008 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Base hit Rivas!
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Aug 11, 2008 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doug Walks!
rally time
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Aug 11, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doumit!!!!
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TIE GAME!!!!!!!
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Aug 11, 2008 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, ya beauty
now get them draft picks signed.
by RDV across the sea on Aug 11, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
loaded for moss
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Aug 11, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bucs need a win
for an all time .500 record at Shea Stadium according to Greg Brown.
by RDV across the sea on Aug 11, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
chased the closer
now get the win!!!
by Battlin Bob on Aug 11, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not living in Pittsburgh
Was there much pomp and circumstance for Lanny’s 5000th game yesterday?
by RDV across the sea on Aug 11, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry, I'm not sure (I'm in St L)
5000 games is a LOT of baseball (30 years?). I know that Lanny was the Pirates announcer in the mid-80s, but exactly when did he start? and were all 5000 of these games announcing the Pirates?
by humbucker on Aug 11, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
disappointing groundout for Moss.
hit it hard in the air—a sac fly would have been great too.
by humbucker on Aug 11, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pearce!
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shut em down
let’s win at this hell hole for that last time!!!
by Battlin Bob on Aug 11, 2008 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's the man next year.
Forget ACutch. Pearce and Moss will join Nate in the OF next season
by RDV across the sea on Aug 11, 2008 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoa,
I left work and we were down 5 to 1, what happened?
by WestCoastBuc on Aug 11, 2008 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dread Pirate Pearce!
Yarrrr!!!
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Aug 11, 2008 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Dread Pirate Pearce
is here for your souls!!!!!!!
by WstCstBucco on Aug 11, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do it Grabow!!
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Aug 11, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i had to play Steve on my fantasy team today
i didn’t have anyone else.. well.. that paid off
by Battlin Bob on Aug 11, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mets misery
Watchin the face of a Mets fan right now at work is absolutely priceless
by Buccos2028 on Aug 11, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
FWIW, some of the comments here are pretty great too....
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2008/8/11/591340/open-thread-game-118-mets
my favorites (both by Endys Game):
there it isworst loss of the year!!!
followed by:
These are the Pirates. They can’t hit at all. The Pirates are mindboggling bad. Yet we melted down against them And we recovered to win the series against the Philles.
by humbucker on Aug 12, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manuel tossed!!
What happened?
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In the middle of the AB, too
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Aug 11, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game!
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Comeback win!!!
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bucs win!
wow. RAISE THAT JOLLY ROGER!
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on Aug 11, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so the Pirates won?!?
the yahoo boxscore has been stuck on the 3-2 count to Beltran for several minutes now.
by humbucker on Aug 11, 2008 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yahoo gameday locked
up with 3/2 count, no outs lol.. turned the radio on(i hate greg brown) and heard him talking about the win
by Battlin Bob on Aug 11, 2008 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bautista gets the win
He’s 4-2 now. And has something like 21 K in 23 IP.
by WstCstBucco on Aug 11, 2008 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ooops
Make that 4-1 for the Pirates. Not bad for 6 weeks work. Excellent pickup by Huntington.
by WstCstBucco on Aug 11, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
I’ve said many times, I could care less whether they finish .500 this year, as long as there’s a sign that this team is on the rise. Well, here’s another example. Great game, sorry I missed it while at work, but it sounded fun.
Did anyone watch? How did Duke perform after the 1st? I think he actually gets credit with a quality start if you can believe it. 6IP, 3ER
by EStreet on Aug 11, 2008 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buster Olney on Alvarez negoitations
Pedro Alvarez, the second overall pick in the June draft, will eventually sign a deal with the Pirates before Friday’s deadline, writes John Perotto.
I hope he’s right. I hope Alvarez is not caught in the crossfire of negotiations between two serious negotiators—the Pirates’ Frank Coonelly, who was once the caretaker of Major League Baseball’s slotting system, and Alvarez’s advisor, Scott Boras.
Agents who’ve dealt with Coonelly say they absolutely could see the executive drawing a line in the sand and sticking to it, rather than capitulating in the 24th hour—no matter the criticism this would engender for the new regime in Pittsburgh. And Boras’ history, as we all know, is that he has demonstrated a willingness to keep his players unsigned if he thinks they are not receiving offers commensurate with their perceived value. Just ask J.D. Drew. Just ask Jason Varitek.
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=olney_buster
by woobie on Aug 12, 2008 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The sad part of all this contract fiasco
is that, even if we get Alvarez in uniform in the next several days, there isn`t enough time for him to play more than a handful of minor league games this season. If he had signed in June, we would already know if we could reasonably expect him in the majors sometime next season. Would this have played a part in deciding what to do with Jose Bautista for 2009 now that we have Andy LaRoche?
by patthatt on Aug 13, 2008 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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