Draft Pick Signing Deadline Today
by Charlie
on Aug 15, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
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...And there's much to be done. Besides Pedro Alvarez, who I think will probably sign right before the deadline, the Pirates also want to sign second rounder Tanner Scheppers and two unknown others. With 10th rounder Drew Gagnon, a pitcher, saying he's going to Long Beach State, I hope that one of those unknowns is 20th rounder Quinton Miller, also a pitcher. Also look out for 26th-round third baseman Zachary Wilson, who probably isn't signing, and 19th-rounder and Georgia Tech catcher Jason Haniger. I did a writeup on the unsigned picks last week, so you can check that out, keeping in mind that fifth rounder Justin Wilson and sixth rounder Robbie Grossman have signed.
UPDATE 2:25: Scheppers wants big money and may not sign, the Post-Gazette reports. The P-G also says he couldn't even throw breaking balls. If he wants top-ten money, it may be wise to concentrate on other players.
UPDATE 8:37: The Pirates have signed Quinton Miller for $900,000. Nice! Now get Alvarez.
UPDATE 11:16: I've got nothing here, but I'll be hunting.
UPDATE 11:35: The Post-Gazette reports that Scheppers probably isn't going to sign.
UPDATE 11:59: Still nothing.
UDPATE 12:23: Still nothing. Several first round signings have emerged tonight--Buster Posey, Yonder Alonso, Allan Dykstra--but Alvarez isn't yet one of them.
UPDATE 12:32: Anyone else getting worried?
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Scheppers unlikely to sign
Per Dejan’s blog:
Word this afternoon that Tanner Scheppers, the Pirates’ second-rounder, is seeking the equivalent of a top-10 pick, maybe more. Given his health — not to mention that he actually was selected 48th overall — this does not bode well for a signing. Based on what I have heard the past 24 hours, place this one in the unlikely column.
http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/pbc/default.aspx
Really, if that’s the case, I don’t mind if the Pirates pass. Way too much risk for top ten dollars.
by woobie on
Aug 15, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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Well, they have to do their job.
If he has looked strong in bullpen sessions, and the team’s doctors think he is going to be healthy from here on out, he may be worth the money.
by DITO on
Aug 15, 2008 2:25 PM EDT
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Strong? Nope
According to Dejan’s blog, he could not go full-throttle or throw breaking pitches during his workout earlier in the week.
by woobie on
Aug 15, 2008 2:30 PM EDT
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For the first time in a long time..
I feel confident that the right thing will be done today no matter what happens. I will definitely be disappointed if Alvarez doesn’t sign, but I will at least know that everything possible was done to sign him. From everything, I’m reading, it seems as if he’ll sign so optimism is still high.
Based on the report concerning Scheppers from the DK’s blog, I’m fine if he remains unsigned.
by EStreet on
Aug 15, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
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He doesn't need to pitch full strength tomorrow...
just so he is ready to go at spring training of 2009. I think that Scheppers camp has seen the cash that Grossman received yesterday and feel if he could get the money based on projections, that Scheppers can get his pre-injury projection slot. Doesn’t hurt to ask now, does it? I really believe that Scheppers does not want to go back to Fresno State and be abused again by their coaching staff. I look for him to sign somewhere closer to $1.25 mil than $2.07 mil. I hope…
by ElliottBayBucco on
Aug 15, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
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If we can`t sign Scheppers,
and since we didn`t get Gagnon, we had better pick up a later round pitcher or two like #20 Miller, or I`m going to be even more disappointed with the pitching we got in this draft.
If we get Alvarez signed, it will look like a good draft(at least as far as the dreaded phrase “on paper” is concerned) for infielders. And we also got some high upside HS OFs like Grossman and Freeman.
We got pitching depth in the organization through the trades in July, mostly at the AAA/MLB level, but the team has to start somewhere. If there are more trades in the offseason, I bet the team will be looking to pick up more guys like Morris at the lower levels with big upside. I know that the team should take the best guys they can get regardless of position ideally, but just a thought.
Maybe we are all missing something here. The team evaluated Grossman as a legit 2nd rounder, and the bigwigs have stated this publicly since his signing. Well, maybe they did decide based on Scheppers` health and demands that Grossman was their de facto 2nd rounder-hence the huge bonus.
by patthatt on
Aug 15, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
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podcast
Here’s a link to the podcast if you want to take a listen. It’s at the 35:00 mark.
Pittsburgh Lumber Co.
http://mvn.com/mlb-pirates
by MBandi on
Aug 15, 2008 3:55 PM EDT
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I like Rocco's show ...
… but I’ll believe it when I see it.
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Aug 15, 2008 4:01 PM EDT
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I'll never doubt Rocco again ... Miller is signed
Well, this is a huge surprise.
The Pirates this afternoon signed their 20th-round draft pick, right-handed pitcher Quinton Miller, to a bonus believed to be well above slot, according to a source outside the team.
Miller, 18, was ranked the No. 1 prospect in New Jersey by Baseball America after going 6-3 with a 2.13 ERA in 21 appearances for Shawnee High School. Among all prospects, he was ranked No. 158. He had signed a letter of intent to play for the University of North Carolina.
http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/pbc/
by woobie on
Aug 15, 2008 4:07 PM EDT
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Rocco
He’s a good source because he’s honest, and doesn’t hesitate to admit if he has no idea. He reported that Grossman would sign over a month ago.
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by MBandi on
Aug 15, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
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Doesn't know
He seems to know about as much as any of us regarding Alvarez.
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by MBandi on
Aug 15, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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Bottomless pockets
Hard to believe that we are spending like a large-market team with Frank Coonelly in charge. Kudos to FC and NH for investing in young talent. It’s such a refreshing change.
by Alleghenys on
Aug 15, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
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Dejan hints at the possibility of another above slot sign
At the end of his post about the Miller signing (at least as of the last update where he quotes WTM), he says: “There could be another in a similar category today, too.”
http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/pbc/
I wonder if he refers to Zachary Wilson?
With all this money they’re shelling out on this above slot guys I wonder if it really will be in lieu of one of the top two picks (hopefully not in lieu of Alvarez).
by Dignan on
Aug 15, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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In 2007,
we drafted Jim Tracy`s son Brian, a mediocre non-prospect college pitcher, in the 20th round, and got the expected nondescript performance from him at State College for one abbreviated season before he moved into coaching.
In 2008, we have reportedly signed our 20th round pick, Quinton Miller, a highly-regarded HS pitcher with major upside.
This perfectly illustrates the difference between the previous administration`s focus on the draft and overdrafting guys to get them signed easily for slot money, and how the new administration led by Coonelly and Huntington look at it so differently.
by patthatt on
Aug 15, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
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I can’t believe that we not only agree on this but that I’m actually getting a little optimistic about our long-term future. I might just have to schedule a vacation to Pittsburgh to visit my cousin and watch the Bucs play in person. Congrats to Coonelly and Neil for what is already a job done better than their predecessors. Now, just sign Alvarez and I’ll order my tickets.
by Illinois Pirate Fan on
Aug 15, 2008 5:00 PM EDT
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With all this talk about Coonelly`s old job
with MLB about the draft and slot money etc., I think it would be really easy for Frank to justify these signings to whomever is in the job now.
MLB Draft Slot Money Executive: Frank, why do you want to spend so much money over our recommended slot for this guy?
Frank: We are closing in on 16 consecutive losing seasons.
MLBDSME: `Nuff said. Go to it.
by patthatt on
Aug 15, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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Hell is Freezing Over
IPF is getting optimistic. The apocolypse is upon us.
by dtoddwin on
Aug 15, 2008 5:06 PM EDT
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I wouldn’t go looking for the anti-christ just yet. However, I am impressed with the moxy of management to take advantage of the system by drafting a young man that everyone passed on not because of his ability but because they thought it was a foregone conclusion he would be attending college instead. This is the type of sly move that is usually reserved by the more astute GMs and that is what pleases more than the signing because it sends a message that we might actually have someone with some baseball and business savvy which would be rare for Pittsburgh. If he actually pulls off the signing of Alvarez then I may be forced to completely reassess my opinion of our management team.
Oh, by the way, dtoddwin…it’s a dry heat. LOL
by Illinois Pirate Fan on
Aug 15, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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Way more than the trade deadline
This draft, and management’s handling of it, has me fairly confident that the end of our days as the sports world’s punchline is in sight.
by matskralc on
Aug 15, 2008 10:34 PM EDT
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Don't do that
Where will we go to find comedic relief during the work day without your semi-informed rants regarding the incompetence of Pirate management?
by WestCoastBuc on
Aug 15, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
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Rocco...
is saying the deal is done. On radio right now.
by EStreet on
Aug 15, 2008 10:47 PM EDT
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Here is a link indicating a deal is done but who knows
by WestCoastBuc on
Aug 15, 2008 10:50 PM EDT
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That site
is about as reliable as my Grandmother. His “inside” sources are normally things already posted somewhere on the web or reported somewhere else.
Rocco on 104.7 is indicating that he has a very reliable source indicating that the deal WILL get done tonight.
by EStreet on
Aug 15, 2008 10:54 PM EDT
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DK blog
just updated that a deal is absolutely not done yet. He even mentioned that this is news contrary to a local radio report.
by EStreet on
Aug 15, 2008 11:13 PM EDT
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I heard Scheppers isn't even going to sign.
what a bastard
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by .500 Please on
Aug 15, 2008 11:36 PM EDT
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Yonder Alonso
gave in to the Reds contract.
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by UtesFan89 on
Aug 15, 2008 11:42 PM EDT
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Gah
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Aug 15, 2008 11:57 PM EDT
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FU%@ Boras
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by .500 Please on
Aug 15, 2008 11:59 PM EDT
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what a disaster...
if both scheppers and alvarez don’t sign…and with no time to turn that money into other picks (like gagnon, wright, wilson)
by SpacePirate on
Aug 15, 2008 11:59 PM EDT
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Do you see something reported? The news can still come later, it won’t be announced exactly at midnight.
by EStreet on
Aug 16, 2008 12:01 AM EDT
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no, just the reality if that is what ultimately happens…it will also mean the pirates will need to get the checkbook ready for next year as they’ll have at least 4 of the top 40 or so picks, including likely 2 in the top 10.
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Aug 16, 2008 12:03 AM EDT
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DK update
11:53 p.m.: I can just sense all of you out there dying over this. Won’t be long now …
uh…..YEAH!
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Aug 16, 2008 12:02 AM EDT
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insider said that Alvarez has signed
but I don’t know how creditable that is
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by .500 Please on
Aug 16, 2008 12:02 AM EDT
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Tiops is not at all credible. Not in the slightest.
by EStreet on
Aug 16, 2008 12:03 AM EDT
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how do those people get shows then...
maybe I should get one and blurt out stats and act like I know what they mean…like Rocco
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Tiops
Was exposed by the guys at Pensblog. They started making stuff up in a chat, and then TIOPS was reporting it as coming from inside sources. Do not go there for news. When he’s right, it’s only because he got the info from a published source. He posted at 10 p.m. that the deal with Alvarez would be announced ‘in the next 30 to 45 minutes’. Yeah right…
by EStreet on
Aug 16, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
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PBC Blog
crashed again
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Aug 16, 2008 12:05 AM EDT
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No report so far...
On eight picks in first round. It may take time for this info to get out.
by EStreet on
Aug 16, 2008 12:06 AM EDT
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Dykstra
signed with the Padres.
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Aug 16, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
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And Smoak
with the Rangers.
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by UtesFan89 on
Aug 16, 2008 12:09 AM EDT
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Not sure who the Boras clients are
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Aug 16, 2008 12:12 AM EDT
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IIRC
those 2 are boras contracts…so I expect that the Pirates are/were on the phone with Boras before the top of the hour…which is all that is required…I believe.
by Thunder on
Aug 16, 2008 12:11 AM EDT
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i didn't think smoak was...
just hosmer and dykstra, plus alvarez and gerrit cole)
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Aug 16, 2008 12:12 AM EDT
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Dykstra was.
Not sure about the others.
Cole didn’t sign with the Yankees.
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Aug 16, 2008 12:13 AM EDT
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Smoak
advised by Dustin Bledsoe.
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by UtesFan89 on
Aug 16, 2008 12:16 AM EDT
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Got through to DK finally
nothin since my last post
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Aug 16, 2008 12:07 AM EDT
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Too quiet for failure
It takes less time to write the “Alvarez didn’t sign” post than it does to explain the contract he signed, right? At 12:01, NH calls DK and says “didn’t happen” and then gets in his car and drives south until he hits water. If it happens, there’s some explaining to do re the terms, a statement to write… that takes a few minutes…. right?….
by KPatrick on
Aug 16, 2008 12:12 AM EDT
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Refreshed DK again
still nothing new. It takes about 10 minutes
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Aug 16, 2008 12:14 AM EDT
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cole not signing...
is interesting. he was a boras client but should have had more leverage as a HS pitcher.
by SpacePirate on
Aug 16, 2008 12:14 AM EDT
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He just chose college over the pros...
The 17 year-old did not make the decision because of money or Scott Boras. He simply talked it over with his family and decided he prefers college.
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by UtesFan89 on
Aug 16, 2008 12:15 AM EDT
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DK
12:13 a.m. Saturday: Word is, no word yet.
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Aug 16, 2008 12:14 AM EDT
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Alonso
2 million bonus.
4.55 million guarantee.
MLB deal
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Aug 16, 2008 12:14 AM EDT
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Posey signs with the Giants
I think that was reported before though.
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by UtesFan89 on
Aug 16, 2008 12:19 AM EDT
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DK
12:19 a.m.: Giants sign Posey. Maybe that was a domino. Who can say now?
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Aug 16, 2008 12:21 AM EDT
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Dejan:
Giants sign Posey. Maybe that was a domino. Who can say now?
by BadMaafala on
Aug 16, 2008 12:21 AM EDT
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everyone but Alvarez... he must of signed or they would have said he didnt like cole from the Yankees
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Aug 16, 2008 12:22 AM EDT
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Nats don't sign Crow...
he lowered his demands to $4 million, they went up to $3.3, but no deal was met.
They did sign they’re 15th rounder though.
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by UtesFan89 on
Aug 16, 2008 12:24 AM EDT
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is Cole
a Boras guy?
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Aug 16, 2008 12:24 AM EDT
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GAH
the BA site crashed—for me at least. If anyone gets through to there or Dejan, let me know PLEASE
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Aug 16, 2008 12:26 AM EDT
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Same here
:(
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Aug 16, 2008 12:28 AM EDT
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BA crashed for me also
but before that…they reported Posey was $6.2 mil bonus and no ML contract.
by Thunder on
Aug 16, 2008 12:27 AM EDT
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BA back for me
largest up front bonus in draft history for Posey.
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Aug 16, 2008 12:30 AM EDT
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as of 1227
DK says he isn’t hearing ANYTHING from ANYONE and doesn’t know if that’s a good sign or a bad one.
by Thunder on
Aug 16, 2008 12:29 AM EDT
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that insider site...
saying alvarez signed for 6.35 million…slightly more than posey and beckham.
again, they aren’t reliable, but hey, it’s news.
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Aug 16, 2008 12:29 AM EDT
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The fact that we’re up at 12:30 a.m. wondering if the Pirates signed a high-profile, Scott Boras client is a good sign. Things are looking up for the Pirates.
by EStreet on
Aug 16, 2008 12:33 AM EDT
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wow Posey gets 6.2 Million up front
I am sure boras wants that
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by .500 Please on
Aug 16, 2008 12:33 AM EDT
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thats ridiculous that he gets 6.2 million for not even taking a ML at bat
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Aug 16, 2008 12:35 AM EDT
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Yup and if the pirates sign alvarez it would be for more
number 7 got that so Boras thinks number 2 should get more
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the fact that it's ridiculous
is the reason we don’t have a deal yet. NH surely knows that but I honestly think they have no choice but to suck it up and pay him anyway.
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Aug 16, 2008 12:37 AM EDT
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I would say that NH is going for money guaranteed if plays in a certain amount of time
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Scheppers
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Aug 16, 2008 12:37 AM EDT
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but no comment on Alvarez
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by .500 Please on
Aug 16, 2008 12:37 AM EDT
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good luck schepp...
since we can’t draft you next year!
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Aug 16, 2008 12:37 AM EDT
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Bittle going back to Ole Miss
Jason
The Hanging Curve
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Aug 16, 2008 12:37 AM EDT
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Alvarez signed
Rocco reporting it as fact. $6 mil bonus.
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Aug 16, 2008 12:37 AM EDT
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Dejan too!
Jason
The Hanging Curve
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Aug 16, 2008 12:38 AM EDT
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I might believe DK
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by .500 Please on
Aug 16, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
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Rocco is an idiot though
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i disagree
but WE GOT IT DONE! WOOOOOOOOOO
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by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Aug 16, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
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Callis
said if it were a major league deal it would have been filed with the players union by now
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Aug 16, 2008 12:38 AM EDT
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HE SIGNED!
DK just reported the Pirates and first-round draft pick Pedro Alvarez agreed to contract terms, just before the midnight deadline Friday: $6 million bonus, plus college.
More in a bit.
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Aug 16, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
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Yes!
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Aug 16, 2008 12:40 AM EDT
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Hosmer signs with the Royals.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
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Aug 16, 2008 12:40 AM EDT
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We didnt give him enough
we should have listened to that jackass Smizik and gave Alvarez the 10 mil Boras wanted. What were NH and FC thinking? To bad Smizik isnt running the PBC.
by #1BuccoFan on
Aug 16, 2008 12:42 AM EDT
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I was getting nervous there
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by .500 Please on
Aug 16, 2008 12:42 AM EDT
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Scheppers is a definite no.
But with Alvarez signed…and the other stuff that has happened the last few weeks…I am convinced that this management team knows what it is doing.
by Thunder on
Aug 16, 2008 12:42 AM EDT
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What a couple of months...
for FC and NH. Wow, years of mismanagement were corrected in such a short time. Finally on the right path…
by EStreet on
Aug 16, 2008 12:43 AM EDT
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lets not get crazy
things appear to be on the right track but they are far from corrected.
by #1BuccoFan on
Aug 16, 2008 12:44 AM EDT
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but let's not hedge our bets too much, either
Coonington aren’t omniscient. They’ve done a lot of things right — from their end, they’ve done just about everything they can. They’ve stocked the farm system with talent, they bought low and made it work on damn near everybody. They spent relatively big money to do it, but still wound up signing an elite prospect for their number.
They had exactly the plan a lot of us have begging for, and they worked it. Now it’s up to the guys on the field to shepherd them along, but today, as a wise man once said, we’re happy with where we’re at.
by KPatrick on
Aug 16, 2008 8:03 AM EDT
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no word on zach wilson or austin wright?
maybe got swamped with the 1st round news…
by SpacePirate on
Aug 16, 2008 12:43 AM EDT
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Now that DLittlerfield may become a distant memory
or nightmare
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by .500 Please on
Aug 16, 2008 12:43 AM EDT
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Alvarez
6 million bonus, plus college.
What does the college mean?
Wasn’t he a senior?
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on
Aug 16, 2008 12:45 AM EDT
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Contract is minor league
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on
Aug 16, 2008 12:45 AM EDT
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junior
i think
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Aug 16, 2008 12:45 AM EDT
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Oh, so...
they’ll pay for his senior year or something like that?
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
by UtesFan89 on
Aug 16, 2008 12:46 AM EDT
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i guess?
who the heck knows
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Aug 16, 2008 12:47 AM EDT
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they pay tuition for whenever he wants to attend
if he gets hurt and never plays baseball again= he can go get his degree
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by .500 Please on
Aug 16, 2008 12:48 AM EDT
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wooooooooo
i’m goin to bed. but i’m pumped.
woooooooo
Brian from Raise the Jolly Roger!
by Raise the Jolly Roger on
Aug 16, 2008 12:46 AM EDT
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Alvarez was a junior, maybe he has aspirations
to attend grad school?
by ElliottBayBucco on
Aug 16, 2008 12:46 AM EDT
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If he was a senior, his negotiation clock wouldn't
have ended tonight. College Seniors can negotiate up until the next draft.
by ElliottBayBucco on
Aug 16, 2008 12:47 AM EDT
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Oh.
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
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Aug 16, 2008 12:48 AM EDT
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NH on Scheppers
“We are disappointed that we were unable to reach an agreement with our second-round selection Tanner Scheppers, but we knew when we selected Tanner that we might not be in a position to sign him by the August 15 deadline. Despite the quality efforts of both parties, it became clear that Tanner’s financial expectations were not in line with the risks presented by Tanner’s current status as a pitcher in the early stages of a rehabilitation program following an injury to his throwing shoulder. Unfortunately, Tanner’s rehabilitation program timeline changed dramatically from what his representative presented to us prior to the draft. Had Tanner been able to demonstrate that he was fully recovered from the injury he suffered towards the end of his 2008 season at Fresno State, we are confident that we could have found common ground on the economic terms of a contract. Selecting Tanner in the second round was a calculated risk from the outset. We knew when we selected him that, if he was able to show that he had recovered fully from his injury, we could have secured a first-round talent with our second-round selection. Because that did not happen, however, we will receive the 49th selection in next year’s draft as compensation. We were willing to take the risk involved in selecting Tanner for two reasons. First, a club that is unable to sign its second-round selection now receives "same slot” compensation in the next draft. Second, we made the strategic decision to select several players with early round talent later in the draft regardless of their signability. As a result of this decision, we were able to sign two players, Robbie Grossman and Quinton Miller, each of whom received strong consideration with our second round selection."
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
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Aug 16, 2008 12:48 AM EDT
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Oops... thought I deleted the top half of that.
Am I allowed to post something that long?
The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".
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Aug 16, 2008 12:49 AM EDT
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Scheppers was a big injury risk-
now we`ll have two picks in second round territory with the comp pick.
The thing that sucks about this whole system concerning Alvarez is that he probably got pretty much what the Pirates offered all along. Two wasted months in which he could have played a few dozen more games in the minors and maybe been on the fast-track to the bigs next year. Until I hear otherwise, I think Boras gave him bum advice for the start of his career.
by patthatt on
Aug 16, 2008 12:50 AM EDT
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Thats just Boras being Boras
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by .500 Please on
Aug 16, 2008 12:52 AM EDT
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let him catch again
so he can hit again
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by .500 Please on
Aug 16, 2008 12:56 AM EDT
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Nothing right now,
in my opinion. And I don`t think it means anything for Andy LaRoche, either. N. Walker will stay at 3rd base and prove one way or the other if he belongs in the majors or not. If he gets better, and if a minor league logjam results from him being MLB-ready, Alvarez doing the same or getting near next year, and one or two of the other college infielders we drafted this year impressing on their way up the ladder, then you deal with other teams from the strength of your minor league system and get pieces for other positions that you don`t have. There`s too much talk of Walker and possibly even LaRoche moving off of 3rd already just because Pedro Alvarez signed today.
by patthatt on
Aug 16, 2008 1:10 AM EDT
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Question
What’s the major difference between a major-league deal and a minor-league deal? FA service time?
by biggyv on
Aug 16, 2008 12:55 AM EDT
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Two Differences
Major League deal comes is guaranteed money. Does not matter if he fails his physical.
Gets lifetime health coverage as part of the MLB union.
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Aug 16, 2008 12:57 AM EDT
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Gotcha. Thanks.
So how does the deal work? Is it for a certain amount of ML time? Is it a bonus upon reaching the majors?
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Aug 16, 2008 1:01 AM EDT
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Its a deal that is made assuming that he WILL be in the majors
so he gets the money…no matter what. If he gets a toe injury and decides to become a photographer in China and smoke weed, he still gets pro money and the player union retirement plan..
(Damn Ricky Williams)
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by .500 Please on
Aug 16, 2008 1:06 AM EDT
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I believe
that a ML contract means the player must be placed on the 40 man roster…meaning that sending that player to the minors counts as an option…of which the team only gets 3. You get exposed to the Rule V draft after 3 years on the 40 man roster.
Not that I see that being a problem with Alvarez.
by Thunder on
Aug 16, 2008 1:05 AM EDT
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ditto on this too
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by .500 Please on
Aug 16, 2008 1:06 AM EDT
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The Rule V Draft
is for players not on the 40-man roster who have been pros a certain number of years. I think it is 4 or 5 depending on how old they were when they were signed.
by WestCoastBuc on
Aug 16, 2008 9:49 AM EDT
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I don't think Pedro will play in PNC before August of next year
What does everyone else think
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by .500 Please on
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I think that may be determined
by whether he plays at all the next few weeks. The season for State College runs until September 6th…5 days later than the rest of the teams. If he were to report to SC Monday or Tuesday, he could still get about 15 games in…then consider either Instructional League or Arizona Fall League.
If he gets some time in during the next couple of months…and an NRI to spring training…we’ll have an idea of how quick he MIGHT move up the system. Remember…the Pirates aren’t exactly speedy in bringing players up through the system. He’d pretty much need a season like Steve Pearce had last year in the minors.
by Thunder on
Aug 16, 2008 1:12 AM EDT
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