Pirates Sign Pedro Alvarez But Not Tanner Scheppers
For a $6 million minor league deal, apparently less than fifth pick Buster Posey. Nice work, Pirates.
Second round pick Tanner Scheppers did not sign, which I'm okay with. He was a gamble from the beginning, and he wasn't completely healthy when he worked out for the Bucs a few days ago. The Pirates will get a compensation pick for him.
I wonder if we're going to hear of any other picks being signed, but I'm thrilled to have Alvarez in the fold, and impressed with the Pirates' willingness to go way above slot for Robbie Grossman and Quinton Miller. Wesley Freeman looks like a good addition as well. Good draft, overall, and this is markedly different from any draft the previous administration had.
On a personal note, I'm hitting the road for a few shows with my band this weekend and may not update much this weekend. Gamethreads will post as usual. (I'll be in Buffalo, Harrisburg and DC; here are details if you want to come out.)
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Have to give the Front Office credit
They played this one perfectly.
Even if it made me nervous for way too long,,,,,,,,,,,
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by Count Vertigo on
Aug 16, 2008 12:42 AM EDT
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"I wonder if we're going to hear of any other picks being signed"
Dejan says no one else signed.
by patthatt on
Aug 16, 2008 12:59 AM EDT
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And NH indicated
that not signing Scheppers is how they were able to sign Grossman and Miller. That makes me believe they may not have even talked to Scheppers this evening, unless they undercut the previous offer.
by Thunder on
Aug 16, 2008 1:19 AM EDT
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I'm glad!
They signed Pedro and Q with Neal and the gang not fallin to Tanner’s demand!
More draft pix the better!
by Bad Andy on
Aug 16, 2008 1:22 AM EDT
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Great news
And hopefully a sign of even better things to come.
by woobie on
Aug 16, 2008 1:29 AM EDT
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Hope is a good thing,
maybe the best thing. And no good thing ever dies.
—Andy Dufresne
by bucdaddy on
Aug 16, 2008 1:46 AM EDT
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Hope lives
Nice Shawshank reference bucdaddy. The more I think about it, being a Pirates fan the last 15 years can feel like being in prison. But like Andy Dufesne, maybe we will go through the mud and a sh*t (which will be the next season or two likely) and come out on the other side smelling like a rose … just maybe.
Hope is a good thing. Pedro and friends give me hope.
by VanSlick on
Aug 16, 2008 2:12 AM EDT
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Yeah, but
one big difference is we haven’t had Rita Hayworth or Raquel Welch to look at while we’ve been in this “prison.”
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on
Aug 16, 2008 7:31 AM EDT
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DK has new blog entry.
Boras called to accept at 1158 pm. Pirates never moved off their original bid of 6 mil. Wanna bet Boras doesn’t end up representing Pedro? His family could have had this deal 2 months ago.
by Thunder on
Aug 16, 2008 2:55 AM EDT
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Yeah,
I speculated as much a few hours ago:
“The thing that sucks about this whole system concerning Alvarez is that he probably got pretty much what the Pirates offered all along. Two wasted months in which he could have played a few dozen more games in the minors and maybe been on the fast-track to the bigs next year. Until I hear otherwise, I think Boras gave him bum advice for the start of his career.”
Nice work, Scott Boras. You make quite the super agent.
by patthatt on
Aug 16, 2008 3:20 AM EDT
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Scott Boras doesn`t like the August 15 midnight deadline,
according to Dejan:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08230/905005-63.stm
“Scott Boras, Alvarez’s agent, phoned general manager Neal Huntington at 11:55 p.m., five minutes before the Friday midnight deadline. They hastily exchanged a couple of dollar figures, but the team held firm with its offer of a $6 million bonus and minor league contract. Boras’ asking price for months had been a major league contract worth $9.5 million but, seeing the clock tick in his California office, he relayed the Pirates’ offer to Alvarez seated nearby.”
So super-agent Scott Boras had Pedro Alvarez wait around two months to accept what he could`ve agreed to two months ago and got a big start on his career in 2008.
Basically, the sooner Alvarez gets to the majors and gets his big league service time clock rolling, the sooner he can get his early years out of the way and on the way to huge $, so Boras maybe even cost him money by dickin` around til the last moment. What super service(s) did he provide for his client?
A heckuva job, Scotty, a heckuva job!
by patthatt on
Aug 17, 2008 4:46 AM EDT
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I know that some will say that Scott Boras
was doing his job of trying to negotiate the best possible offer for his client, and didn`t give in til he was forced to do so by the deadline.
But how many times did SuperAgent Scott tell Pedro Alvarez in the past few months to be patient because we`ll get a better offer than the Pirates original one?
Congrats to Coonelly, Huntington and the rest. You guys really did a heckuva job!
by patthatt on
Aug 17, 2008 4:51 AM EDT
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how many times has Boras held out and gotten his client what they wanted?
one failure does not make the strategy a bad one.
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by Sky Kalkman on
Aug 17, 2008 1:07 PM EDT
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A damn fine morning
After an exhausting week I did my level best to stay up last night, but ultimately fell asleep at 11:30 listening to Rocco beg for callers so he could keep his show going late enough to report the inevitable big news (be it signing or no signing). I repeatedly dreamed about both scenarios and ultimately saw the good news a few minutes ago.
I have several thoughts in no particular order:
1. I was at least half asleep, so I may have heard wrong, but I think Rocco was reporting that sources told him that things were looking very positive on both the Pedro and Scheppers fronts in the two hours before the deadline. I can’t decide what I think about Rocco, but based upon DK’s reporting today, it sounds as if Rocco’s sources were way off.
2. It didn’t occur to me until about a half hour ago (after the deadline and before I heard the news), but did we all miss an obvious sign that Pedro was gonna take the deal? Reports yesterday were that he and his family had disappeared from sight. If they are as financially destitute as reported and given this economy, Boras probably funded the “vacation” or a loan was taken out – either of which meaning that he gave up his amatuer status and planned to sign no matter what. Perhaps I’m reading too much into this, but I wish I would’ve connected those dots yesterday.
3. I am almost more excited about the strategy employed with the Scheppers non-signing than anything else.
4. The fact that Pedro didn’t receive the highest bonus in the draft isn’t a big deal to me, but it is interesting. Did we ever figure out if Posey is a Boras guy?
5. Sometimes I think Boras gets a bad rap, then there is the other 95% of the time. He views this as a business and his strategy of holding out until the last possible second (or two minutes as was reported in this case) only needs to work once for him to achieve his goal. At some point, a team will blink and pay the massive Boras demand. That will not only likely result in a huge pay day that likely compensates him for all of the similar prior gambles that did not pay off, but it will serve the main purpose of exponentially increasing the bar for such signing in the future. At the end of the day, Boras is a horse’s ass because he has no concern for the game. I’m pretty sure that this is the same line of thought that lead to the demise of the Eastern Elk (pick your species).
6. Hopefully, before the above scenario unfolds, Boras will be playing last minute roulette but the perfect storm will hit (say a power outage and lighting strike that kills all cell phone transmission for 30 minutes) causing him to miss the deadline.
All in all, the Pedro signing is exciting as hell – on many levels.
Good day.
by Uncle Nate on
Aug 16, 2008 6:50 AM EDT
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posey
is a boras guy.
and boras already DID that with teixeira when he got his $9.5 million, and it hasnt raised the bar at all (as evidenced by this years 6 millionish range)
by geeves on
Aug 16, 2008 8:41 AM EDT
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I believe
that Jeff Berry advised Posey.
by #1BuccoFan on
Aug 16, 2008 10:56 AM EDT
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From MLB online
Agent Scott Boras had five of the 11 first-round picks who weren’t signed heading into deadline day. In the end, three of them — Alvarez, Hosmer and Dykstra — signed. What might be the biggest side story, though, is the lack of big-league deals that were doled out. Most assumed that the college bats atop the draft, namely Alvarez, Posey, Alonso and Smoak, would require Major League contracts to sign on the dotted line. In the end, it was only Alonso, the University of Miami first baseman, along with college lefty Brian Matusz, who got such a deal.
Here is the link.
by ElliottBayBucco on
Aug 16, 2008 4:40 PM EDT
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I have to wonder...
if the teams that signed Alonso, and Matusz are kicking themselves for giving a major league contract to their draft picks. OR do they really feel that those players are ready to play in the MLB?
by lfhlaw on
Aug 18, 2008 11:02 AM EDT
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Just because a player receives a major league contract
does not mean he has to play in the Majors. It only means he has to be on the 40-man roster and gets certain financial advantages that do not apply to players that sign minor league deals.
by WestCoastBuc on
Aug 18, 2008 12:40 PM EDT
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Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son...
And so we close the book on the Littlefield Years as we seriously begin to repair all the damage he did to our team. More than vast amount of quality talent we acquired; more than the coup we pulled off in getting Grossman; more than the large amount of money that was spent exceeding every team in baseball; more than all of these is the fact management went toe-to-toe with Boras, didn’t blink and no doubt left him with considerable respect for our new organization which should help in future drafts.
So, I say to ElliottBayBucco, Baseballgg24, patthatt, and vlad: this Bud’s for you. I’m buying to celebrate our success. OK, make it an Iron City if you prefer.
by Illinois Pirate Fan on
Aug 16, 2008 9:17 AM EDT
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Just think . . .
$6M is what Littlefield spent on Burnitz. It’s like night and day.
by biggyv on
Aug 16, 2008 9:21 AM EDT
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I am so excited
Even if a lot of these guys don’t pan out, I’m still extremely optimistic. It is clear from the trading deadline and especially this draft that we now have a management team that understands the process (which, of course, is the answer!). They get it. They are doing things the right way, and as long as they continue to do so, we will finally get out of this enormous hole we’ve dug ourselves.
I think it’s also clear that we can put the “Bob Nutting as villain” meme to rest. The firestorm last season appears to have really had an effect on him and he is just as committed to turning the Pirates into winners as he ought to be.
The Drive for 75 is dead. The Drive for 95 is on.
by matskralc on
Aug 16, 2008 9:56 AM EDT
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Thought I was going to be
the first in line to say:
Mr. Nutting, I apologize. I had you pegged wrong. You’re not the cheap-ass tightwad I thought you were.
Unless you just laid off half the staff at Seven Springs to cover the draft class.
$6 million? Meh. Vanderbilt tuition? Whoa. There’s something I know a little about, and boys, we’re talking REAL money.
by bucdaddy on
Aug 16, 2008 11:03 AM EDT
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I think it's safe to say
that we no longer have a terrible Minor League system. Quick turnaround…
That’s what getting 8 prospects at the deadline and signing some “unsignable” high school draftees will do to you.
Oh, and now having the best prospect in the draft this year.
I gotta give this new management team huge props for what they’ve done so far.
by northsidenotch on
Aug 16, 2008 10:06 AM EDT
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So, in most Pirates' fans eyes, is this the first obviously good move by Huntington?
The Bay and Nady moves seemed to receive mixed reviews, no?
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by Sky Kalkman on
Aug 16, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
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Not the first
I think most fans that you will find on blogs tend to like the Bay and Nady deals. The general public seems to not enjoy but I think the fans you will find here tend to understand the realities of Pirates baseball and understand what the Pirates need to do to improve in the long run.
But yes this draft has turned out very well, far better than I thought it would.
I made most of my life decisions at a Foghat concert... I stand by them.
by Chester J Lampwick on
Aug 16, 2008 4:01 PM EDT
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Hindsight is 20/20...
and a quite a few people, including the national media, have come around on the trades.
Question is, will Tampa’s not making a trade with us for Bay or Nady come back to haunt the Rays in the regular and/or post season? I remember how the M’s wouldn’t give up Joel Piniero as a trading chip for David Justice, claiming that Piniero was essential to their future. Then David Justice goes to the Yankees and kills Mariner pitching in the 2000 ALCS in Game 6. Yankees go to the WS, M’s go to the country club.
I just see this hazy scenario of Jason Bay crushing Tampa pitching in a potential 2008 ALCS matchup.
by ElliottBayBucco on
Aug 16, 2008 4:55 PM EDT
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i wish the Rays had traded for Bay
To me, it’s worth a Wade Davis, especially when you already have 4/5 of a rotation for the next three years (Kaz, Shields, Garza, Sonny) and David Price on the way.
Prospects need to play or be traded to fill holes. The first one is tough for the Rays pitching prospects and the second is exactly what the trade would have been. $8MM is a lot for the Rays, but a steal for Bay.
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by Sky Kalkman on
Aug 16, 2008 6:41 PM EDT
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I thought it was worth Wade Davis, too
And if he was included with Brignac and a low level pitcher it would have been stiff competition to the package the Bucs got from the Dodgers and Red Sox. But stocking talented arms is what got the Rays to where they are now in the first place.
by DITO on
Aug 16, 2008 7:31 PM EDT
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BTW
Wes Freeman made his professional debut today for Bradenton. He was 0-1 with a walk, a strikeout, and a run scored.
by northsidenotch on
Aug 16, 2008 5:18 PM EDT
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it's amazing
2008 has been a great year for the pirates and for buc fans. You would not know it by their record, or their current major league roster or what most news media outlets would say.
But this was a championship level house cleaning. A couple more years of drafting/signing/trading at this level and the Pirates will be back and back for an extended run.
It’s a shame so many years were wasted, so much goodwill lost by a new stadium and the careers of some pretty decent players squandered by tremendous mismanagement.
by vherub on
Aug 18, 2008 10:24 AM EDT
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yup
it’s why i’m on the Pirates bandwagon. The Pirates are Rays and Indians of the NL.
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by Sky Kalkman on
Aug 20, 2008 2:12 PM EDT
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