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Please, Make It Stop

During tonight's game, the Pirates broadcasters repeatedly mentioned that Neal Huntington had been asked about the possibility of playing both Nate McLouth and Nyjer Morgan in the outfield at the same time, and he would not rule it out.

A couple of caveats: first, if I were Huntington I might not publicly rule this out either, and anyway it would be ridiculous to do so--if a team only has four outfielders on its roster, it would be crazy to say that two of them would never play together. (Of course, if I were the GM, Morgan wouldn't be on the roster right now in the first place.) Second, there might be defensible reasons to get McLouth a bit of time in a corner outfield spot to prepare him for the arrival of Andrew McCutchen, who will presumably play center. (If I were the GM, I wouldn't bother, but I could at least understand it.)

What gets me here is that the idea that Nyjer Morgan is a prospect simply will not die. He isn't a prospect. I'm all for giving young players chances to play, but Morgan isn't young, and I'm not in favor of handing out playing time indiscriminately. Steve Pearce deserves a real chance in the big leagues, and if both Morgan and McLouth are playing in the outfield, he isn't going to get it.

I know I'm repeating myself here, but--if people watch Morgan play and see anything greater than a fifth outfielder, it's because they're thinking of baseball as it used to be played, and not baseball as it is played now. There aren't any successful outfielders in baseball like Morgan, and it's not because his skill set is unique. It's because players who utterly lack power, don't draw tons of walks and don't play infield or catcher just don't have what it takes to play in the big leagues.

I'll repeat an exercise I did last year. There are currently twelve players in the big leagues who have enough plate appearances to qualify for a batting title and have five or fewer homers. Here they are:

Michael Bourn, Cristian Guzman, Ichiro Suzuki, Yadier Molina, Aki Iwamura, Yuniesky Betancourt, Felipe Lopez, Ryan Theriot, Jason Kendall, Willy Taveras, Gregor Blanco, Chone Figgins

Of these players, who is Morgan supposed to become? Guzman, Molina and Iwamura all play tougher positions on the defensive spectrum than Morgan does, and all have five homers this year, which helps them keep pitchers honest somewhat; Morgan has a grand total of four homers at any level since 2004.

Comparing Morgan to Ichiro would be ridiculous for any number of reasons. Betancourt and Lopez play tougher defensive positions than Morgan and are both in the midst of bad seasons. Theriot, Blanco, and Figgins, like Reggie Willits last year, have been productive in part by doing an outstanding job drawing walks; that's not really in Morgan's skill set. Kendall gets so much playing time in part because he's a well-regarded veteran, and anyway he's far better than Morgan at working the count also.

That leaves Michael Bourn and Willy Taveras. Bourn is in the midst of an absolutely atrocious season, so we wouldn't want Morgan to emulate him. And Taveras is hitting .264/.316/.312. For Colorado. And as I said last year, he was vastly better in the minors than Morgan was.

Allowing Morgan to start in the majors is a complete waste of time. I can't emphasize this enough. Short of completely re-learning how to hit so that he can draw tons more walks, there's no path for him to become a productive major leaguer. Players like him simply do not succeed in the big leagues anymore. It just doesn't happen.

Steve Pearce isn't a sure bet by any stretch of the imagination, but players like him do succeed. If the Pirates would like to allow a young outfielder (besides Brandon Moss) to try out the rest of the year--and they should--it should be Pearce. Morgan still isn't a good player (people seem to forget that he has a .595 OPS in the majors and a .721 OPS in the minors this year, and that he's already 28), and letting him play now is only likely to make the 2008 Pirates more painful to watch while doing nothing to improve their future.

I'm sure Huntington already knows all this, but I'm mentioning it just in case. The possibility of more playing time for Morgan was mentioned so many times in the broadcast that I feel I should address it.

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Good for your sanity, probably

that you weren’t watching the postgame show, when someone emailed Teke to ask what Nyjer has done that resulted in the improvement we’ve seen so far (or something to that effect). I think Teke was doing his best; he kind of hemmed and hawed a little with some pretty generic stuff about seeing the ball and hitting the ball, and then said that if Nyjer could get his OBP up around .400, he’d be seriously in demand. Oh, is that all he needs to do? Quick, somebody call Don Long.

by KPatrick on Aug 25, 2008 11:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

These are the same crackpots (Brown and Walk)...

that stated in the 6th inning of the broadcast tonight that they would like to see ALL the bench players (Rivas, Gomez, Minky and Michaels) return next year. That the team needed that type of experience, with all the young players.

I must have missed something. Freddy and Jack and Adam aren’t anything near rookies. Doumit and Nate are becoming leaders. Experience doesn’t always beat talent. but you have 5 of your 8 starters that should be/are leading by example. I can see keeping Doug, a team can always use someone with his fire that can play 4 or more positions.

Do we really need $6M in salaries sitting on our bench? Would we be happy with Jason Michaels playing every day and hitting .230? Do we even have a need for a Nyjer Morgan with Andrew McCutchen and Jose Tabata coming soon? Frankly, I expect Steve Pearce to eventually get traded or released. He’s not going to be given an opportunity to play full-time in Pittsburgh. And Andrew McCutchen…they are going to waste about a year of his career, by delaying calling him up, and then watching him struggle in the middle of a season instead of September when they are already out of the race and there is no significant pressure. Bring him up in September, he will either succeed, or see what he has to do to improve and remain in the majors.

by Thunder on Aug 25, 2008 11:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thunder:

Did my mother have another son and forget to tell me about you? As Sam Kinneson, the Professor, said to Rodney Dangerfield in the movie “Back to School”…

“Good answer. I like the way you think. I’ll be keeping my eye on you.”

Our outfield should be Pearce, Moss, and McLouth for the rest of the year. No exceptions. None of these 3 Muskateers should be sat down unless they have at least 2 broken bones in their bodies. Then, we introduce Andrew McCutchen into the equation next Spring and let things shake out. Forget Morgan. Trade him to the Penguins and be done with him or off with his head. Either way, I don’t care.

by Illinois Pirate Fan on Aug 26, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And it's the same guys

that went wild because Alfonso Soriano only has 19 unintentional walks this year. Called him a ‘wild swinger’.

Ummm…guys…Freddy Sanchez only has 12 walks…total…this season. His last walk of any type was June 15th, 200 plate appearances ago. Don’t hear Walk and Brown calling Freddy a wild swinger.

by Thunder on Aug 25, 2008 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When Freddy hits 30+ HRs

he can swing as wildly as he wants.

by WTM on Aug 26, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watching the broadcast

I’m more concerned about Andy LaRoche than Nyger flipping Morgan getting a few at-bats.

by woobie on Aug 25, 2008 11:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. Li'l 'Roche has been terrible

Morgan’s not relevant; Li’l ‘roche should be, but isn’t.

This team is nowhere near competitive and is certain to lose 100+ next year and will threaten 100 losses this year.

Very bleak future with little in the way of hope.

.

by ETNBuc on Aug 26, 2008 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not so fast...

I’m not one of those “wait ’til next year” eternal optimists (just the opposite when it comes to the Bucs), but there’s more going in the right direction with this franchise than not.

Yes, it’s hard to believe. But it’s true, for once.

I believe that LaRoche is suffering lingering effects from his injuries… what’s going to matter most is how he performs in spring training and out of the gate. This year is just about facing ML pitching and taking lumps.

Gorzo and Snell would be hard pressed to be this bad again. They’re just too talented. Next year Duke will either be in long relief or the minors. There will be actual COMPETITION for jobs instead of free handouts as we’ve seen over and over again. No one’s job should be safe on a losing team.

Doumit and McLouth have emerged as forces in the lineup. Maholm has found the consistency he’s lacked.

Am I saying the team in 2009 is going to win? No, not at all. But they won’t lose 100, either. What will matter is that 2009 will be a year that young, legitimate players will be given the chance to compete and hold major league jobs. And that’s something we haven’t seen in a long, long time. That is a huge step in the right direction, and by extension worthy of hope.

by JohnnyNez on Aug 26, 2008 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Please, Make It Stop"

It is painful, isn`t it?

by patthatt on Aug 26, 2008 12:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nyjer is just a BandAid

Rocco brought up a good point on Pirates Post-game. Nyjer may not be a prospect, but he’s at least more exciting than watching Jason Michaels get the ABs.

Pearce would turn into Chris Duffy if we kept him up here dying alive for the last two months. Pearce needs to forget this season, and going 0fer in his last month wouldn’t help matters. I think it is much less painful for Pearce, the team, and the fans to watch Nyjer Morgan for the last month.

Trust me, I don’t think anyone aside from a few beat writers consider Nyjer a legitimate prospect, but in a season already lost, it is at least entertaining (or laughable) to watch him over-slide a few bases and occasionally beat out a ground ball.

by Ianaba on Aug 26, 2008 1:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You're predicting

Pearce will have a mental breakdown and run away from baseball for a couple months if he fails to hit a little before the end of 2008?

by DITO on Aug 26, 2008 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Suicide Watch

I just don’t think it’d be good cap to your first season in the majors by batting .100 with shaky defense. Then again, Andy LaRoche doesn’t seem to mind.

I kid, I kid…lets hope that one mental breakdown is all we have to endure as far as Pirates outfielders go. I really don’t think Pearce is near where Duffy was, especially because Russell isn’t making Pearce pound the ball into the ground every at bat. If Tracy were here, he’d be converted because his last name starts with the same letter as Juan Pierre’s, and then I’d say Pearce needs to be guarded against breakdowns.

by Ianaba on Aug 26, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meanwhile....

Pedro Alvarez is foolishly wasting more time when he could be preparing for his career with the Pirates. I`m really starting to wonder about his commitment to the organization.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08239/906938-63.stm

by patthatt on Aug 26, 2008 9:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know a thing about the situation,

but that article implies that it is Boras’ fault.

by DITO on Aug 26, 2008 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, you are right, DITO,

but if Alvarez can`t think and make decisions for himself-if he is completely under Boras` thumb-then it is a pretty fuc*ed up situation.

I might be reading too much into the situation, and, as Dejan points out, Alvarez`s verbal assent to the contract as much as means he is a member of the Pirates` organization without signing the contract/doing the physical yet, but I have a bad feeling that Boras has been trashing the Bucs` management, and MLB`s Aug. 15 deadline in particular, and has Alvarez ticked off that he had to accept the $6 million and the minor league contract.

So many people made a huge deal out of getting Alvarez signed, well, that was the easy part to some extent. Let`s see him show up(someday), in shape, and perform, and then I`ll start to get impressed. He has done nothing for the Pirates yet, and he has wasted a helluva a lot of time. This sucks.

by patthatt on Aug 26, 2008 12:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

By the way,

Bob Nutting had better start budgeting some big money for our first two rounds of the draft next year. We are looking more and more like picking from #3-#5 overall in 2009, and we have the comp pick for not signing Scheppers, in addition to our regular second rounder.

by patthatt on Aug 26, 2008 12:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Charlie

“What gets me here is that the idea that Nyjer Morgan is a prospect simply will not die. He isn’t a prospect.”

Then what is it?

The Mr.Excitement Label?

The Room-Brightening Smile?

Adding to the 8%?

If the team allows Morgan a lot of playing time in September at the expense of other OFs, then we will know that these guys can be just as stupid as the ones who preceeded them.

by patthatt on Aug 26, 2008 12:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

who knows, maybe playing Morgan will convince some other team he has any value

my blog // calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy // past results do not guarantee future performance

by Sky Kalkman on Aug 26, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am new here, so first I want to thank Charlie for the excellent posts, as well as the others who have posted some excellent stories—but about the PNC park/amusement park feel, someone posted earlier how you hardly feel you are there to watch a baseball game and they are right. Why do people insist on standing up to get their 7th plate of food DURING plays? These people should be kicked out immediately. Either wait until a break in the inning or hold your antsy kid down and teach him how to concentrate on one thing. I swear that about 15% of fans actually go to really watch the game. The media does not help with all their advertising either, but I wish this would change because it really ruins the park experience for me. Show some respect!

by SkeedTom on Aug 26, 2008 6:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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