Chicago Cubs @ Pittsburgh Pirates GameThread, Aug 27, 2008 12:35 PM EDT

on the PG, it doesn`t sound like the Boras camp has much to go on here. If he gave his verbal agreement to the contract and it was submitted on time-which MLB seems to concur with-I think Alvarez is making a huge mistake listening to Boras.

If Alvarez doesn`t want to play with the Pirates, let`s go with the #3 overall pick in next year`s draft and our “earned” top #5? pick, and the two we get in the 2nd round.

Pedro Alvarez will never be anything other than a bad attitude, a player with a chip on his shoulder for the PBC. Forget about him and move on.

by patthatt on Aug 27, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't necessarily believe that last part

There have been lots of players who listened to bad advice from agents during contract negotiations but were model citizens after everything was sorted out.

by shayborg on Aug 27, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope you`re right, shayborg,

if this mess is ever sorted out and Alvarez plays for the Bucs, but I have bad feeling that this is just the start of a big, big problem.

by patthatt on Aug 27, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The only problem could be

The union did not agree to the timing of the deal?

by Cence on Aug 27, 2008 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cence

According to the Pirates statement, the timing (midnight deadline) cannot be something that Boras will be able to dispute, because the Pirates are saying that the final O.K. on Hosmer`s deal with the Royals was technically submitted after they sent theirs in on Alvarez. (If I`m reading it wrong, somebody correct me, but I`ll go over it again to make sure.)

by patthatt on Aug 27, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not that this is the way to go, but I am just curious...

Could the Bucs keep Pedro Alvarez out of professional baseball for six years if Pedro just refuses to every play for them?

by DITO on Aug 27, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That's what the "restricted list" is, IIRC

No other team can negotiate with him as long as the Pirates have his rights in MLB’s eyes, which they do for the next several years.

by shayborg on Aug 27, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

its actually longer than 6 years

its six years after he has played a year in the majors

by Cence on Aug 27, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is unbelievable to me

The comments that are being read of the radio from Coonley…Pedro refusing to report…has anything like this happend before??

by DITO on Aug 27, 2008 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Boras hates the Aug. 15 midnight deadline-

and has said so repeatedly.

I think he is using Pedro Alvarez to make a stand against this system.

by patthatt on Aug 27, 2008 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well I guess the entire sport should just be changed then

by DITO on Aug 27, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

DITO

I think Boras` ego is big enough that he would try just about anything.

by patthatt on Aug 27, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Isn't Eric Hosmer pissed?

by DITO on Aug 27, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Meanwhile,

Zach Duke has put up six scoreless frames.

by patthatt on Aug 27, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I feel bad ignoring Duke's performace

but Lanny, Steve and I couldn’t care less.

by DITO on Aug 27, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Seriously

I guess it’s nice that a 24-year-old pitcher on our team is looking pretty good, but as far as I’m concerned this might as well be a minor league game.

by shayborg on Aug 27, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And he walks his first two of the game with two out in the eighth

He’s not used to pitching this long. Get him out of there…

by shayborg on Aug 27, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Patience...

8 innings, only 2 runs. Good job for a change, Zach. Please give us another quality start next time out.

by patthatt on Aug 27, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe that work on is arm angle,

or whatever it was, was actually beneficial for one start. We`ll see next time, though.

by patthatt on Aug 27, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let pedro go im tired of all this

by BuccoFanBigJ on Aug 27, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Morgan is awful

None out, man on first, and he pops a drag bunt up to the third baseman. He is bad at baseball.

by shayborg on Aug 27, 2008 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Morgan is awful,

Morgan is terrible,

Morgan flat-out sucks.

But we`ll be stuck with him in the Pirates` lineup over and over again til the end of the season.

by patthatt on Aug 27, 2008 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Duke has looked good today

I had to look it up to make sure I wasn’t remembering it wrong, but when he first came up a few years ago he absolutely feasted on the Cubs. In his first 4 starts against the Cubs he was 4-0 with an ERA 0.56. Actually in his career going into today he is 4-4 with a 3.16 ERA.

Quite frankly he’s a guy that I enjoy watching pitch when I get the chance.

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on Aug 27, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The Problem has been consistency.

When he’s on, he’s on. But when he’s not, he’s awful and gives up a lot of hits.
But I’d prefer consistent quality starts.

Snell has been jekyll and hyde, not sure who our starting 5 will be come next year aside from Paul Maholm for sure. But it is sure nice to have more than 5 options….but whether they are any good…is the question.

Maholm and then the rest(forgive the spelling)
Snell, Gorzelanny, Karstens, Ohlendorf, Duke, Davis, maybe Herrara? hopefully some inexpensive off-season signings. Someone who can chew up innings.

by lfhlaw on Aug 27, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs