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Classic Dave Littlefield; And, Protesters Win!

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This is a gem:

Most teams contacted Boras to inquire about Wieters, but not the Pirates, who had the No. 4 overall pick. So, Boras, according to a source in his agency, phoned Dave Littlefield, the general manager at the time, to find out why. The team's response was that it did not view Wieters as a top-five talent, in part because of his throwing. Boras was incredulous that Wieters' throwing -- widely viewed as fine, anyway -- could be prioritized over his switch-hitting, power-hitting abilities, and the conversation soon ended.

Brilliant. Just when you think Littlefield was done, there's more. It'll be a good day in Pittsburgh when these sorts of stories stop slipping out and the residue from the Littlefield administration finally washes away, but for now, this is comedy gold. To anyone who isn't following Danny Moskos' career, that is.

Also from the same article, and interesting for entirely different reasons, is this:

Pirates owner Bob Nutting was embarrassed by the vocal fan protest that followed the Wieters episode, and that contributed to his firing of Littlefield two months later. Even when Nutting hired team president Frank Coonelly and general manager Neal Huntington in September, the Boras/Wieters issue remained the focus of media questioning.

I think those of you who protested, and were ridiculed over and over by folks at the game or on message boards for supposedly turning your backs on the team or for playing into ownership's hands by buying tickets or for engaging in an activity that simply didn't matter, deserve a hand right now. Here it is: the fan protest "embarrassed" the Pirates into remaking themselves into a professionally-run ballclub. The health of the franchise is pretty obviously better than it was a year ago, and a year from now it will probably be better still. You weren't turning your backs on the team, you were strengthening it by calling attention to problems that everyone should have been able to see. Kudos. 

By the way, here's what I wrote about the protest at the time. It's one of my better articles, I think, and it's stood up well.

UPDATE: Oops--Kovacevic says he wasn't referring to the actual protest, but to the general "outcry."

-P- Elsewhere in the P-G, the Alvarez mess obviously reduces the Pirates' chances of sending him to play Fall or Winter ball. On a related note, I just saw the roster of the Scottsdale Scorpions, for whom all the Pirates' Arizona Fall League prospects will be playing. 

They're a depressing bunch Let's see: a starting pitcher grabbed as free talent from the Astros (Jimmy Barthmaier), a fringe starting pitching prospect (Michael Crotta), a non-prospect starting pitcher (Jared Hughes), a reliever (Jeff Sues), a fringe-at-best catching prospect (Steven Lerud), and a C-grade infield prospect (Shelby Ford). None of these guys will crack any top prospects lists next year.

Many of the Bucs' best prospects were either just acquired in the draft or are about to arrive in the big leagues, and the AFL tends to be geared toward players who are between those two types on the development ladder, but I do wonder why the Bucs didn't send, for example, Jamie Romak, who has obvious issues to work on and would be well suited to the league development-wise. 

Anyway, then I looked over the rest of the team and didn't see a lot of familiar names, and I realized the other teams contributing to Scottsdale's roster followed the same pattern. There aren't a lot of good prospects, and there's only one player who will be 22 or younger by the time the AFL season starts. Andrew McCutchen played in the league last year; if the Pirates had sent him again this year, he would've been the youngest player on the team by nine months.

Other teams sent real prospects (the Brewers, for example, sent several of their best), but the teams that contributed to the Scorpions simply didn't. There's not necessarily any problem with this, unless you live in Scottsdale, but the Scorpions aren't going to be worth much of your attention.

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Bob Nutting:

If he had such serious misgivings about DL after the draft and the fan protest, then why did he allow DL to trade away $13 million for Matt Morris on July 31, 2007?

So it “contributed” to DL`s firing, but Nutting needed 13 million more reasons to finally prod him hard enough in the backside to sh**can DL?

Were they stupid enough to think that they would show the fans they were serious about trying to win by spending the money and more on Morris that they refused to spend on Wieters?

Was it merely that they didn`t spend the money because DL was scared of dealing with Boras?

It`s also scary to me that a lot of the same baseball people that were around with DL are still reportedly in the Pirates` organization because they have contracts running through this year. If the decision not to draft Wieters was based also on the belief of DL and other current Bucco baseball people that Moskos was a better choice at #4-and Dejan has reported numerous times that this is their explanation-then it calls into question the baseball acumen of many still working for the organization.

Hey, Bob, I`ve got this good idea. Let`s acquire Matt Morris from SF for the remainder of his contract. It will help the team. You know, he was a good pitcher a few years ago.

$13 million for Matt Morris? Sounds fine and dandy to me, DL. I can get it back in revenue sharing and bobblehead doll promotions. Go for it, ol` buddy!

Bob Smizik asked Nutting to disclose his involvement in the Morris deal in an article earlier this season. It couldn`t have happened without Nutting. No satisfactory explanation of this whole fiasco has ever come out of Bob Nutting`s mouth.

by patthatt on Aug 29, 2008 9:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Morris vs. Moskos

I suspect the two had a cumulative effect. Nutting has acknowledged knowing little about baseball and made it clear he wanted a CEO to run the team, not himself as McClatchy tried to do. A year ago, though, he was in the position of having to perform the CEO’s role. If you read his comments last year about the draft and the Morris trade, it was obvious he was just repeating what his chief baseball guy, DL, told him. The fan reaction and the negative reaction around MLB, probably more about the Morris trade than the draft pick, clearly embarrassed him and led him to fire DL ahead of his announced timetable. The fact that Wieters signed for $6M and not the $10M that DL claimed it would take probably played a role, too, but that didn’t happen until after the Morris trade. And remember, DL evidently convinced Nutting that the Pirates would have to spend even more on some Morris equivalent in the FA market if they didn’t acquire Morris.

I give Nutting credit for at least figuring out that he’d been had. If I took over a business like the Pirates without having any relevant experience, and without even being a baseball fan, I can’t say I’d have figured it out any more quickly. McClatchy had the wool pulled over his eyes for six years and was too stupid to realize it.

by WTM on Aug 29, 2008 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Learning and Money

A few additional points:

1. It was also known that Nutting did his own research of the team and its problems. There certainly was no shortage of individual writers trying to characterize the defects which plagued the team. If Nutting was willing to learn and to listen to others….

2. I’d bet Nutting did not have anything to learn when it came time to assess the millions spent on Morris, Simon, Stynes, Casey, etc. “Let’s see, I spent $50M on assets which seemingly accomplished nothing more than the weakening of my firms’ market. What should I do about this?”

Steve Z

by steve_z on Aug 29, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the catch, Charlie

It’s good to know that everyone of us had a positive effect on this bad situation!

Steve Z

by steve_z on Aug 29, 2008 10:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dejan NOT referring to protest

Dejan made it pretty clear today he was not referring to the walk-out, but to the general outcry:

http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/pbc/archive/2008/08/29/couple-of-alvarez-points-here.aspx

As I recall, he never gave the walk-out any respect, before or after.

by Moonglum on Aug 30, 2008 4:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just set the record straight about the relationship between the outcry and the walkout

As I recall, he never gave the walk-out any respect, before or after.

If he lacked respect for the walkout and for what Andy Chomos and company did for Pirate fans then that’s a problem of his which he might want to address.

Steve Z

by steve_z on Aug 30, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The walkout

was disappointing in that relatively few walked out. However, the lead up to the walkout created a tremendous amount of publicity and raised the heat on the franchise to levels that likely would not have been achieved without the walkout. The walkout talk put the team under a microscope and caused casual fans and the national media to take a look at what was going on.

I would suggest that that the walkout and the furor it raised was a classic case of the of protestors losing the battle but winning the war. And – as many of us stated at the time – it certainly didn’t hurt anything.

Good day.

by Uncle Nate on Aug 31, 2008 9:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

It also helped that Nutting had replaced McClatchy. Nutting might not be a great owner/Chairman, but we know he’s far from the worst.

Steve Z

by steve_z on Aug 31, 2008 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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