Pirates Tie Major Sport Record for Most Consecutive Losing Seasons
As with many historic events, this one resulted from a remarkable convergence of factors--spectacularly incompetent management; tight-fisted, complacent ownership; a generally pretty ambivalent fanbase; a tiny payroll compared to most teams; Collective Bargaining Agreements that rewarded the Pirates for maintaining their tiny payroll; and so on.
Perhaps the most important factor in preventing the Pirates from having a random .500 season was that the losing streak happened while baseball front offices were undergoing major changes, as general managers embraced new principles and methods and became much smarter. What follows is a broad outline of this trend and how the Pirates ended up under its wheels. (The paragraphs that follow contain a bunch of generalizations that don't apply to every GM and every situation.)
Billy Beane's A's were generally among the first to change, and with the help of a very good core of young players (some inherited, some not), the A's were able to pull off a long streak of excellent seasons despite a relatively small payroll.
Oakland's success was thus also the result of a convergence. The A's were among the first teams to fully embrace new philosophies that gave them an advantage (at least until they paid the price for relying on those new philosophies, which were not nearly as helpful in judging amateur players, to produce talent from their farm system), and they already had a good core that also gave them a leg up.
The Athletics' advantage disappeared partly because it turned out that sabermetrics didn't yet help them very much with the draft, but also because other GMs either altered their approaches to embrace sabermetric principles (Kevin Towers, Doug Melvin) or, more often, were replaced by new GMs who used sabermetric ideas as well as Beane did and, in some cases, had access to a bunch more money than he did. These new GMs neutralized Beane, making him just one smart GM among many.
(Here's the mother of all asides, because I don't want to come off as some sort of stathead partisan: I'm using the phrase "sabermetric principles" very loosely here, to include stuff like understanding the value of 30-something free agents, or not letting a 22-year-old pitcher throw 130 pitches in a start, or recognizing the importance of replacement value, at least in a general way. I don't mean that a good GM has to use WARP3 or anything like that. In fact, you don't need to know any specifics about sabermetrics, or even care about sabermetrics, to understand these principles. Nonetheless, many of them are closely connected to sabermetric research and to GMs who , for one reason or another, have been described as stat-friendly. Again, this is a generalization, and one that's not entirely fair. The example of the Atlanta Braves shows pretty clearly that you don't have to embrace sabermetrics to run a highly successful organization. But I'm going to go with it for now, because the connections between sabermetrics, Beane, and the flood of very smart GMs who've taken over teams in the past five to ten years seems pretty strong to me. In any case, I don't mean to use the word "sabermetrics" as a sword, just as a convenient way to sum up changes in GM behavior to which it seems to me to be closely connected.)
It was significant that many GMs who embraced these new philosophies were new faces, not veteran GMs who changed. What kinds of teams get new GMs? Although several of the better old GMs retired or moved to other front office positions within their organizations, several of the teams who got these new-school GMs were the teams who needed them most.
Some of these new-school GMs reformed some of the worst organizations in baseball. Thus, after ten years of terrible mismanagement under Chuck LaMar, the Tampa Bay Rays hired Andrew Friedman, who was able to scrape some of LaMar's toolsy draft picks together with some inspired general managing of his own to lead the Rays to their first winning season in 2008, in their eleventh year in the American League. Melvin, not a new GM himself but a veteran GM who had embraced new ways of thinking, took over the Milwaukee Brewers, who had twelve consecutive losing seasons before he led them to a .500 record in 2005. And the Arizona Diamondbacks were badly bloated, pretending it was still their World Series-winning year of 2001, when Josh Byrnes took over in 2005. With a core of young players he mostly inherited, some inspired decisions, and some good luck, he led them to a 90-win season in 2007, breaking their streak of three straight losing years.
The influx of new GMs thus helped prevent some teams from racking up extremely long streaks of losing seasons, because some of the best GMs wound up paired with what had been some of the worst organizations.
The Pirates slipped through the cracks. They were casualties mostly of the incompetence, complacency and greed of their ownership group, but they may have also missed out because of poor timing. When Cam Bonifay was fired in 2001, Beane's "stathead" approach was still very controversial. Who knows what Kevin McClatchy's real reasons for hiring Dave Littlefield were, but I don't recall them considering anyone with a "stathead" pedigree (someone who remembers the situation better than I do, please correct me if I'm wrong). (UPDATE: In the comments, Vlad finds this article, which speculated that the Bucs might interview former Beane assistant J.P. Ricciardi, who at least looked like a new-school guy at the time, but I can't find any evidence the interview took place.) If the Pirates had hired a very young, new-school general manager in the mold of Friedman, Byrnes or Theo Epstein, the fanbase would have been apoplectic. Four years later, that might not have been the case, at least not to the same degree.
So instead the Pirates hired Littlefield, who occasionally paid lip service to statistics but had not learned any of the lessons from them that have helped so many smart teams.
It also seemed that the Pirates were comfortable making a halfhearted run for .500 each year rather than doing the gutsy thing and rebuilding the franchise. In the end, this is almost certainly (and ironically) the biggest reason the Pirates' losing streak lasted so long. But it did not help that they were also victims of history.
Littlefield stuck out like a sore thumb throughout his tenure, but if he had been a GM ten years before... well, he still would have been one of the dumber ones, but there would have been a lot more other really dumb ones to help prevent him from messing up too badly. And eventually he quite possibly would have soaked one or two of the other dumb GMs in trades, simply through dumb luck, and the Pirates might have had a .500 season (though surely not a string of competitive seasons) completely by accident.
Instead, Littlefield was one of the last really awful GMs in an era where many were quite good. Add that fact to the terrible ownership and the ten previous years of losing that Littlefield wasn't responsible for, and you've got a recipe for exactly what happened: the Pirates have now tied the 1933-1948 Philadelphia Phillies for the longest losing streak in the history of professional sports.
If we think of the mid-1990s to the present as an era in the history of baseball when general managers changed substantially in their approach to their jobs, the Oakland A's were an outlier at the front end, as they were one of the first organizations to make a critical change. The Pirates were an outlier at the back end, an organization that changed far too late.
McClatchy moved out of the spotlight last year, and Littlefield was soon fired. They were replaced, as you know, by Frank Coonelly and Neal Huntington. Time will tell whether those two have what it takes to end this losing streak, but the early signs are positive: they've made some tough decisions, taken the long view by spending real money on amateur talent, and have made moves that are consistent with a long-term plan of rebuilding the organization from top to bottom. My advice? Do your best to forget these 16 years have happened, and concentrate on the future, because at least there appears to be light at the end of the tunnel.
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Charlie: I agree with what you said, but...
How can we forget about 16 years of losing when Russell continues to insist on starting Minky, Rivas, Michaels, and Chavez? I think most of us would agree with your assessment of the situation and that blowing up the team was a necessary part of the re-building process, but it would also be nice to see Russell showing some signs that he, too, embraces that concept rather than adhering to the old principal of putting what he felt was his best players at each position. He has had ample opportunity to demonstrate that he could think for himself rather than becoming one of many sheep who can be counted upon to act in a predictable fashion but he has failed miserable. For example:
1. Research has clearly demonstrated that there are no visable advantages to a 5-man rotation as opposed to a 4-man. Pitchers do not perform better with that additional day of rest between starts and all that is accomplished is that a valuable start is wasted on the 5th-best starter when he could be back at the front of the rotation. That same research demonstrated that pitchers do not become injured more frequently by having only 3 days between starts. The overwhelming evidence of arm injury points to abusing pitchers who throw more than 110 pitches in any once outing when their arms are tired and they adjust their delivery to compensate for that fact.
2. Where does it state that Russell must designate his closer at the beginning of the season and then only use him with a save situation in the 9th inning? Sometimes, games are decided in the 6th, 7th, and 8th innings when teams have runners on base and it is at that time that a “closer” is needed. Using him only with a lead in the 9th inning is foolhardy. Further, it might be necessary that this closer pitch a second inning depending upon the situation of the game and if so, then he should be used. So what if he isn’t available the next night? Surely, Russell has another pitcher he can use in a save situation. A “certain” win today is much more valuable than a “possible” win tomorrow—just ask Lou Pinella who “saved” Zambrano for a game #4 that was never played!
3. Finally, Russell must emphasize more strongly a batter’s ability to take pitches so that the opposing starting pitcher goes deeper into his pitch-count and as a result, causes the opposition to go inot their bullpen earlier. As of today, only 5 teams in all of MLB have fewer walks than the Pirates and that could partially describe why we have only one batter hitting .300. Walks and the ability to take pitches are an integral part of modern baseball and one that the Pirates sadly need to address.
by Illinois Pirate Fan on Sep 7, 2008 11:23 PM EDT reply actions
I agree with you about some of his starting lineups. That’s definitely on my agenda of things to write about.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Sep 7, 2008 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you send me some links to this research,
1. Research has clearly demonstrated that there are no visable advantages to a 5-man rotation as opposed to a 4-man. Pitchers do not perform better with that additional day of rest between starts and all that is accomplished is that a valuable start is wasted on the 5th-best starter when he could be back at the front of the rotation. That same research demonstrated that pitchers do not become injured more frequently by having only 3 days between starts. The overwhelming evidence of arm injury points to abusing pitchers who throw more than 110 pitches in any once outing when their arms are tired and they adjust their delivery to compensate for that fact.
I would like to see who did the research and how they reached their findings.
by ElliottBayBucco on Sep 8, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
EBB
His name is Dr. Rani Jazayerli, he writes for Baseball Prospectus, and the title is “Doctoring the Numbers”.
by Illinois Pirate Fan on Sep 8, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Vlad
You are absolutely correct. Please note that it is also a 3-part article in the event EBB wants more information.
by Illinois Pirate Fan on Sep 8, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks guys,
I read all three parts and see Rany Jazayerli’s points, yet no one has gone to the four man rotation in MLB, excluding the playoffs. Is it more a concern of the big money thrown to players these days and the fear of injuries that keeps teams working with a five man rotation or do most organizations view Jazayerli’s work as bunk? I would be interested to hear what a few big names in the game have to say about it, referring to front office and managers in MLB.
I know that IPF subscribes to Jazayerli’s point of view, curious how other posters on this blog view his article on the four man rotation.
by ElliottBayBucco on Sep 8, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm in
I read it a few years ago and have never forgotten it. I think the biggest roadblock is still some kind of cro-mag mindset about going long in games. It’s funny that a couple of our coaches were fined for going over a pitch count with a young pitcher, but, for example, Duke threw 116 pitches in his 2nd start of the season, and was clearly gassed according to us in the game thread and watching.
Until some org hires a manager, or forces a manager, to adhere to lower pitch counts, I don’t think we’ll see it. The temptation to leave an ace (or anyone, apparently) out there is too great. The pitch counts on a 4-man rotation would have to have a hard cap of probably 100. Managers, and for that matter the pitchers themselves, have too much of a bulldog mentality to happily adhere to that.
And there’s downside PR risk. Say a guy goes 6 strong in 95 pitches. If the hard cap is 100 pitches, probably no point in even bringing him out for the 7th. Then the guy that does go in then blows it. Well “you should have left the starter in, wimpy pitch count be damned!” from fans and media.
But I’ve also wondered why relievers, even in a 5-man, aren’t put on an on/off schedule. I’ve read it about a hundred times how rhythm is a big thing with pitchers. The 4-man gets you that in the rotation. But why can’t you have your middle guys “throw” every other day. Then, even on an off day, they stay on schedule, and theoretically, stay sharp.
It would take new, gutsy management without fear of losing their jobs for at least a few years, and it would probably take the right staff to try it. If you had a prima donna, or one superstar, there’s risk that if he got hurt — which might happen in any situation — that it will get blamed on going to a 4-man. Honestly, I think our rotation is a good candidate. No one on this staff, including the new guys, should be sacred. Experiment smartly. I’d love to see it.
"And there’s downside PR risk."
That is why a LOT of change doesn’t happen. Gregg Easterbrook, Tuesday Morning Quarterback at ESPN’s Page Two, writes about this a lot in regards to things like coaches always punting on 4th and short. The reason they do it is because it’s the accepted “safe” answer, even if it is demonstrably the incorrect one. And following the “safe” answer allows the decision-makers, i.e. coaches, to blame the players when things go wrong and not themselves.
JR is lock-step adhering to his assigned roles in his bullpen because that is what is expected of him. If he brings in Capps to protect a teetering 1-run 7th inning lead with men on 2nd and 3rd and 1 out, Capps holds it, and some knob blows a 2-run lead after starting the ninth…well, JR is the one that will get blamed for that. And since he is in a position to remove HIMSELF from a position of blame, he’s going to do it.
Nobody will go to a four-man rotation because five is the “accepted” answer, and should it fail, the man responsible for making that decision will get blamed, and not the players tasked with carrying out. And those decision-makers seek at almost all costs to cover their own asses first.
Football coaches are starting to move on the 4th thing
Just look at the Texans going for it at midfield in the first quarter on Sunday. They didn’t make it (thanks to the officials – not that I’m complaining), but the world didn’t end, either.
To be fair
They also got blown out of the water, so nobody cares.
I buy the financial thing
Back in the ‘50s, if you blew up a pitcher trying something, he cost a couple thousand bucks at most and there were a bunch more where he came from. Nowadays, there’s a significant financial incentive not to test-to-destruction, even if the actual risk is pretty small.
Dang.
I was just going to get a post up titled “Pirates Take Sucking To A Whole New Level” and maybe throw in a picture or a sarcastic comment or something.
I guess I’ll have to link back to this for the readers that want to know more than the obvious.
Great post though.
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Charlie - Thanks For The Caveat About Sabermetrics!
You almost lost me when you started talking about sabermetrics, so I appreciate your throwing in the caveat.
Sabermetrics definitely add value to the equation of evaluating players, but they are only a small part of real player evaluation. An organization must have scouts that know a ballplayer when they see one, know how to measure the “five tools” and know how to evaluate a player’s “heart”. The latter is tough to do, but it can be done.
Illinois Pirate Fan makes some good points, but the significant point that he does not state is that John Russell is probably a fine person, but he probably wil not be around longer than his first contract term, however long that may be.
I am also very anxious to see what happens with the pitching coach situation.
Charlie
Great post. Seriously, the information available on these blogs is fantastic. I have participated in other blogs before, such as football, and never has the analysis been so thorough and well-reasoned as it frequently is on this site, thanks to guys like Charlie, WTM, IPF and just about everyone else.
DL's hiring
Around that time there were rumors that the bucs wanted to hire a Beane assistant. First DePo, who publicly declined interest in the job, then J.P. We never interviewed either, so it might have been BS, but that was the scuttlebutt.
I thought we interviewed JP
But they went with DL instead because he was more willing to work with a reduced payroll, and/or more willing to tell them that he’d be able to compete while doing so.
Ricciardi didn’t turn out to be much of a SABR guy anyway, and he lies even more than DL did, so I don’t know that we really would’ve been much better off with him.
Holy crap
Check out the candidate list in this article: Interviews with Frank Wren (OK so far in Atlanta, but not inspired), Tim Purpura (bombed in Houston), Dave Wilder (never got a GM job, currently DPP for the White Sox), Mike Arbuckle (never got a GM job, might be in line to take over for Stand Pat Gillick), and possible interviews with Wayne Krivisky (bombed in Cincy), Ned Colletti (dumbest GM in baseball), and Ricciardi. And another article said that they were denied permission to talk to Jim Duquette (Mr. Kazmir-for-Zambrano, bombed in NY).
Our search committee appears to have been pretty seriously lacking, if these were the best specimens we could dredge up.
I read a different article to check facts before posting this and ran into Wilder’s name. He actually got fired by the White Sox—he was allegedly involved in the bonus-skimming scandal. Another winner!
by Charlie Wilmoth on Sep 8, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought DL got the job because he told McClatchy the team could start to win right away without any rebuilding.
by WTM on Sep 8, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
THT post "30 theme songs for 30 teams"
Bucs get “That Smell.” Ouch.
Phillies in the 30's and 40's
If one of the major reasons for the Pirates not having a random .500 season is that front offices were changing, I wonder what the reason is for the Phillies of 60-70 years ago. They had WWII take most of the best players from all over MLB and still couldn’t break even.
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Phillies
I actually looked this up a while back. As near as I can for a while they were owned by someone who sold the best players to pay off his debts and their next owner was very corrupt and banned from baseball for gambling. Their next owner was half decent but they needed to develop talent and a farm system which added some years on.
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by Chester J Lampwick on Sep 8, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The second owner was Cox
He got kicked out for the gambling, but the real issue there was that he knew absolutely nothing about baseball. He was pretty much the laughingstock of the league.
Sounds familier
The Phillies’ owner
knew absolutely nothing about baseball. He was pretty much the laughingstock of the league.
Steve Z
The Four Man Rotation ...
…was used by nearly every ML team in the 50s and 60s.
There is no reason it should not be used today. I have no idea why the change came about.
They also never talked about ‘pitch counts’ in the 50s and 60s, and there certainly were no more disabled pitchers back then than there are now..
Look at it this way. How many complete games does a pitching staff have over a 162 game season. Maybe a total of 10 if they are lucky - 15 or 16 if they have an exceptional pitching staff … or a Roy Halladay!
That is 10% of the games - MAXIMUM.
So why worry about getting complete games from the starter? That is why they call a good six innings a ‘quality start’. If a starter can keep you in the game for six or seven innings, that is all a manager should expect.
All it takes is an organization and a manager to display some GUTS.

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