Pirates Interested in Pedro Martinez
Pedro wants $7 million, and the Pirates don't want to pay that much, so it doesn't look likely that he'd sign with the Pirates. If the Pirates don't overpay free agents or promise them something other teams won't, they won't come here.
If the Pirates were to pay him $7 million, though, I'm not sure that would bother me much, as long as it's not a multi-year commitment. Martinez has worked with Joe Kerrigan before, and if he were to enjoy a comeback while playing for the Pirates, it would be a great story and a great way to bring fans to the stadium. Perhaps, as Pat notes, Martinez might also be able to help Ian Snell, who like Martinez is a short righty with good stuff. That's not worth $7 million, but it's something.
I wouldn't sign Martinez if I were in charge, though. It probably wouldn't be a good baseball move--Martinez hasn't had a particularly good season since 2005. There's also the chance that Martinez would get hurt or really struggle, and all of a sudden the signing would turn into a big joke, along the lines of Jeromy Burnitz with the Pirates or, say, Vinny Castilla with the Devil Rays. Also, while Martinez wouldn't really be blocking anyone, exactly, I'd probably rather see the Bucs sort through their many younger rotation options.
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I wouldn't support this signing
I understand that it would bring fans to the park and maybe encourage more casual interest in the club but it seems like Pedro’s presence would block some young pitchers. Obviously no star prospects but I think the Pirates would be better served by seeing how Karstens or Ohlendorf or Dumatrait perform as starters more than they would be served by having Pedro pitch for a year.
I made most of my life decisions at a Foghat concert... I stand by them.
by Chester J Lampwick on Jan 18, 2009 12:37 AM EST reply actions
With respect to the ’Burgh Blues article, standing next to Joaquin Andujar, Pedro looks like Henry Cabot Lodge.
It looks like Dumatrait’s heading to the pen, Barthmaier and McCutchen to Indy. That leaves Maholm, Snell, Gorzelanny, Duke, Karstens and Ohlendorf for the rotation and the Vogelsong role. I don’t know about Pedro, but I would like to see at least a Tony Armas-type on an NRI, maybe giving the guy an out if he doesn’t make the trip north.
by Arnold Rothstein on Jan 18, 2009 1:33 AM EST reply actions
And if he does make the trip north?
We get a Tony Armas Jr/Matt Morris/Jason Davis/Shawn Chacon type performance whilst not utilising the starting depth NH traded the Bucs best players away for last year. I’d rather see one or all of the AAA guys try and fail, rather than using a guy who’s career is on the slide. If none of the younger pitchers can stick in Pittsburgh, maybe it would be wise to pick up a veteran on waivers, but let’s see what we have first.
by RDV across the sea on Jan 18, 2009 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Dumatrait has already been relegated to the DL or bullpen, and Karstens’s elbow hurts. I realize that player development is the new religion, but it seems prudent to add at least one option better than Brian Slocum.
by Arnold Rothstein on Jan 18, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather see Donnie Veal...
thrown in at the deep end. I was at the home opener against the Cubs last season and Evan Meek’s pitching was cringe worthy. Hasn’t done Meek any harm though, eh? He could easily be the Bucs best set-up man this year.
by RDV across the sea on Jan 19, 2009 6:56 AM EST up reply actions
Pedro
He would not be that bad of an option if the Pirates could sign him to say a 2 million a year with performance based incentives. Their is not a veteran starter on this team and Pedro at 75 percent is better than most of their options. He is no Matt Morris that is for sure. You bring him in see what happens they have definately made worse decisions before. And I wondering if they are going to make a run at Andrew Jones he had a bad year but that was the only one that he had in his career unless that his problems began when Major Leage baseball kicked up the drug testing. He fits what they need in right handed hitting outfielder with power and he will come cheap. He fits in that category that Neil Huntington was talking about as a “bound back player”.
I'd try to sign him
And probably give him $7 million for one year. The only real argument against doing that is whether he would block younger talent, or more precisely impede its development.
I don’t see that. There’s room in the rotation. Even in the best case scenario (barring a lousy spring or injury) the first four spots belong to Maholm, Snell, Gorzo, and Duke, despite what NH says. That leaves Ohlendorf, Barthmaeier, and McCutchen for the fifth spot. None can be said to have mastered AAA yet (though Ohlendorf’s last 7 starts there were pretty good); each could benefit by starting the year there. The better talents, Morris and Lincoln, have yet to reach AA.
Even if Pedro is signed at least one or two of the top 3 will get their chance in the Pit at some point anyway. No team goes through the season using only 5 starters. Even if he stays relatively healthy, Pedro ain’t going to make 33 starts.
Comparisons with Burnitz et al are silly. This is one of the greatest pitchers of his era we’re talking about. He’s not close to that anymore, but neither do his numbers, or accounts of his stuff scream “washed up”, as, e.g., Morris’s did.
But his main value to the Pirates is if he does well, they have the option of trading him for younger talent at the deadline. That’s enough of a value gamble for me to give him the money. Unless you’re worried that McNutter’s business empire is in danger of capsizing in the coming economic tsunami.
I can understand this viewpoint, but I disagree.
I just don’t value his veteran presence all that much, and I’d really prefer to use the starts he would make on McCutchen, Barthmeier, Ohlendorf and the like. Maybe none of them are any good, but maybe they are. I’d like a large sample size on which to base and opinion this year.
You mean like the sample size
the Pirates have given Steven Pearce at the major league level? :)
I'd love to have Pedro...
And I think signing him is worth taking a chance. I don’t think he’s going to block the development of Duke or Karstens because there is nothing there to block. It’s just possible that Pedro could have something left in his tank and I think it would be a reasonable gamble to take if he’s willing to come to Pittsburgh. Personally, I don’t think he would sign with us unless his only other option is retirement. Let’s face it: nobody wants to come to Pittsburgh because that’s where dreams come to die.
by Illinois Pirate Fan on Jan 18, 2009 5:22 PM EST reply actions
I don't think Pittsburgh ...
is the place where dreams come to die. If Pedro doesn’t get signed by a “contender” , it’s totally in his best interest to sign with the Bucs. If he puts together a few good months, which if he does " have anything left in the tank " Kerrington should be able to get it out of him. IF he stays healthy he’d make great trade fodder for a team needing a pitcher down the stretch. The Pirates get a good starter for a few month, Pedro gets traded to a contending team for some decent prospects. To quote Michael Scott, Win/ Win/ Win. On that same logic, Paul Byrd should be knocking down our door.
We don't have enough information...
…to know whether this is a good idea or not. A lot of it comes down to medical issues. I think that he can be a fairly productive starter if healthy, but I don’t know how likely it is that he’ll be healthy for a good chunk of the season.
Sideshow Pete
I applaud all moves leading us to the future, but would it be such a tragedy to do something for 2009 that might simply offer some fun? For me, rooting for Pedro to turn it around in PNC would be like a few years ago when all the fun came with rooting for Freddy to win the batting title. And if the cost of all this is just the stalling of, lets face it, some pretty mediocre young talents who’ll be distant memories by ’11 or ’12, fine by me.
pedro
pedro would be a great add to the pirates he would bring fans and maybe he could help our young pitchers…more than likely he would get traded to a contender at the deadline maybe we could get some prospects

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