Pirates Not Giving Up On 2009 (Wink!)
I agree with the long-term plan the Pirates are pursuing and I think the work they've done in building the Bucs for the future has mostly been exemplary, but that doesn't mean I can't laugh a bit at this article, in which Bob Nutting and Frank Coonelly express serious interest in the Pirates' 2009 record despite having done virtually nothing to address it:
"There's no question that my expectation in 2009 is that we have a better team than we did last year," he said. "Even as we continue to build for the long-term success of the franchise, a real, championship-caliber organization that can compete on a sustainable basis, we have to have a better team in 2009 and better than what Pittsburgh has seen lately."
The Pirates finished 67-95 last season, the 16th losing record in a row.
"It could be the pitching coach," Nutting continued, referring to newcomer Joe Kerrigan. "It could be the expectations we have for conditioning. I think that's a real fundamental change that's going to give our players -- the young players who we're going to give a chance to play -- a better opportunity to succeed than they've had in the past. That's cultural, and that's attitude, but I really believe that it can have an impact."
With all due respect to Joe Kerrigan, whose talents apparently are formidable, if the first thing Nutting points to as a potential source of improvement in 2009 is the frigging pitching coach... well, don't expect any improvement. Especially if the second thing he points to is "expectations we have for conditioning," particularly on the very same day it emerged that the most important player in the organization had reported to minicamp overweight.
Coonelly at least makes a bit more sense:
"We really believe that we're in much better shape going into this year with our starting pitching, which was our Achilles' heel last year, now that we have Joe Kerrigan. And what makes 2009 exciting for me is seeing what these players we added in the deadline deals can do."
If I were trying to make a case that the Pirates might improve in 2009 (and I'm not), this is where I'd start. Not with Kerrigan, exactly, but with the players acquired in the deadline deals and the depth in starting pitching. The Pirates entered 2008 with a set rotation of Ian Snell, Tom Gorzelanny, Paul Maholm, Matt Morris and Zach Duke, and with no real plan of what to do in case of a problem. Snell and Gorzelanny stunk, Morris was off the team by April, and the Pirates slogged through with Yoslan Herrera, Phil Dumatrait, and John Van Benschoten while giving Gorzelanny in particular way too many innings to prove he had nothing. That won't happen this year, and the rotation is likely to be better, if only because the Van Benschotens of the world won't be allowed near it.
I know the Pirates' brass can't say they're going to phone in 2009. But allow me to savor a rare moment of absurdity from these guys. When Dave Littlefield was in charge the Pirates hardly said anything that wasn't absurd, and now that things are different I hardly know what to do with myself.
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I don't know, are they?
Or are they still the same?
Or have they gotten better?
Or have they gotten worse?
And what is the meaning of life?
And why did the Druids put those stones at Stonehenge?
Well, that’s enough deep thinking for me today.
I hate thinking about big questions.
One time, my dad pointed out that you can’t even know for certain whether the sun is still there. It takes about eight minutes for the sun’s light to reach Earth, and so if something happened and the sun exploded or collapsed or disappeared five minutes ago, we’d have absolutely no idea for another three minutes. And when people started freaking all the fuck out, it’d be much too late to do anything about it.
If you can’t count on the sun, then what’s left?
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IAWTC
…not the geek part, though..
also, R.I.P. Patrick McGoohan.
Oh, hell, THAT doesn’t make me a geek, does it?
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- HST
by cocktailsfor2 on Jan 19, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
What does it all mean?
When a VIP for the Bucs tells us that changing pitching coaches will dramatically improve our team’s performance it says one of two things and neither one of them is good: either he thinks we’re so stupid that we’ll believe him, or, he’s so stupid for believing what he said. Like I said, neither answer is good and gives us an insight into his mind. The sad fact is that we won only 65 games and management chose to stand pat with the same club. Pittsburgh is truly where baseball dreams come to die.
by Illinois Pirate Fan on Jan 19, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions
Not necessarily.
I think he knows that it’s not true, and knows that we know that it’s not true, but isn’t free to be brutally honest because all the yinzers would pitch a fit. So he tells a white lie. It’s how the PR game is played.
They’re not sitting on their hands. They’re building from within, and anything that isn’t going to materially improve our chances of having a quality team in about three years (such as whether we win 68 or 70 games this year) is going to fall by the wayside. As it should.
I mean, really:
What’s he going to say? “Our team’s going to suck this year, and probably next year too. Deal with it. It has to be done if we’re ever going to legitimately compete in the future. Oh, and be sure to come out for Fireworks Night.”
Sure, that’ll sell a lot of tickets.
Don't forget about accountability
It would be kind of silly to basically say, “if we’re good in a few years, and I hope we will, I’ll raise payroll and also raise accountability then. It doesn’t make sense for me to be demanding now.” Yeah. Headline: “Nutting fine with way things are”, that’d go over big.
Why does everybody assume...
…that accountability = firing everybody if the team doesn’t immediately break .500?
Management’s mission is to build the team into a contender by 2012 or so. That being the case, if they’re making positive progress toward that goal, then it doesn’t matter what the team’s current record is. “Accountability” would mean praising and retaining them for doing what they were supposed to be doing, and it would mean firing and badmouthing them if they started dealing from the farm for ML short-termers in a futile chase for .500, even if it meant a better record for the current season.
Vlad
I understand what your saying and it probaly is the only way we’re ever going to improve but I still fell that management must be honest with their fans or they lose credibility and then nobody will believe them irrespective of what they say. In short, I feel there was a more diplomatic way to try to give us hope without destroying their credibility. He should have said he has more confidence in Gorzo, Snell and Duke for different reasons (ie. previous performances, age, etc.) and not try to snow us with trype about a new pitching coach. In addition, he could have shared some insight into trades/signings he TRIED to make but couldn’t because of the opposition’s unreasonable demands. At least that was something we would have believed. Instead, he chose to attempt to deceiving us into believing that a new pitching coach will make that much difference. Why not try to tell that he attempted to improve defense in hopes of improving efficiency? Even if his efforts failed miserably to make a deal at least we would have believed his logic. I think he missed a golden opportunity to be honest with us so they we would believe future messages from him.
by Illinois Pirate Fan on Jan 19, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Honesty is generally best...
…but people sometimes need comfortable lies, too. Ever had a girlfriend ask whether a dress makes her look fat?
And talking about deals that didn’t happen is a non-starter. By the rules, you aren’t supposed to talk about specific players under contract with other teams on the record, and even if you were, other GMs would resent it (and potentially become unwilling to deal with you in the future).
Are you taking me to task?
Will we have any rookies on the 25 man, other than relievers maybe? If not, I don’t have a problem with him saying we’ve reached bottom record-wise, and should improve in 2009. I don’t have to believe it will happen, but he can say it and not sound silly.
He can say it to you, sure
You aren’t a yinzer he’s counting on to bring the kids out for beach towel night. You actually like baseball.
After listening to the audio, the Kerrigan mention sounds less silly
Not that he was taken out of context, but he mentioned the pitching coach and conditioning in the context of allowing the young players and pitchers to succeed. I’m giving the benefit of the doubt, but I don’t think he was emphasizing Kerrigan or conditioning in isolation, but as part of an overall culture change along with raised expectations.
I recommend listening to the audio, if only for the Frankensteinian stereo effects. At least that’s what I got.
Perry Hill Is The Answer --- The "Difference" In The 2009 Pirates
He is supposed to be one helluva first base coach.
He always reminds the runner on first when there are two outs.
He yells “back” faster than any first base coach in history when the pitcher makes an attempted pickoff move to first base.
And he has an incredible left arm windmill that he utilizes when the batter hits a tweener to the outfield.
These things alone should account for at least three extra wins in 2009.
Coaching first base...
…is about 5% of Hill’s job. Any monkey can coach first, but from what I’ve read about Hill, there aren’t many infield instructors as good as he is. And since we’re going to be breaking in a bunch of young infielders over the next few years, we’ll probably get good use out of him.
Of course, that’d be much harder to snark about, wouldn’t it?

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