More on the Perry Hill situation

by Thunder on Oct 21, 2009 6:41 PM EDT

As some had indicated...Perry Hill wants to continue coaching...just not with the Pirates. Certainly with the statements we have now seen from Hill and management...mainly Huntington...it appears that any family concerns are not the main problem.

I see two possibilities...

1) There is a problem between management (read Huntington and Coonelly) and underlings. Buckley (minor league pitching coordinator) left...under somewhat uncertain circumstances. Now it appears that Hill and the management team were not on the same page. Whether it be promises that were made before he signed...or something he knows he was going to be expected to do next year...there is obviously enough hard feelings for Perry not to return.

2) It's about the money. This one I find hard to swallow. Coaches aren't millionaires...at least most of them. I've seen Dave Duncan anywhere between $800 K and $1M. Rudy Jaramillo signed with the Cubs today for 3 years/$2.4M. So...if it was about money...can't imagine it would be more than a couple of hundred grand. Russell is at $800K as manager. If that small amount of money is a problem...the Pirates are in deep trouble.

My guess...possibility #1 is real close to the truth...and we may never find out exactly where the problem is...but there is one.

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I assume

People will now call Neal Huntington a liar etc. etc. for saying Perry did not want to coach.

But I just want to know why he doesn’t want to come back. Either way, I still agree with keeping him under contract either way.

by Slizeezyc on Oct 21, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions

Blast

said “either way” twice.

by Slizeezyc on Oct 21, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions

I suspect...

we will EVENTUALLY find out the reasons Hill left…just not in the next few weeks. Unless some of the players know what’s going on and talk…it will probably be about the time Perry gets another job…or the current management team starts looking for other employment opportunities…whichever comes first.

And when it comes to the players…I’d say that speaking your mind appears to be a good way to change your Pittsburgh residency status from resident to non-resident.

by Thunder on Oct 21, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions

We Should

Talk Hill up.

Maybe it will result in another team trading someome for the rights to hire him.

by God Loves on Oct 22, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions

What's a bag of balls

go for these days?

by bucdaddy on Oct 22, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions

Somewhere between Luis Cruz and Ramon Vazquez.

by WTM on Oct 22, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions

Nice!

I actually really did lol on that one. :-)

by Brakeman8 on Oct 22, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Proud to be

your straight man.

by bucdaddy on Oct 23, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions

Discontent in Pirate land.

Perry Hill is just first on the faLLout fron NH’s moves. Good people wont stand for
his wreckless moves. It seems more and more of his prospects are winding up in
the doctors office. He needs to learn that quality wins over quanity everytime. Maybe
when management evaluates the cost they’ll toss him. Why do they want another
pitching coach? Probably the present one is looking elsewhere. How many coaches did Danny Murtaugh have?

by rmyers on Oct 22, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions

Oh . . . just for fun, let’s respond to this . . . .

It seems more and more of his prospects are winding up in
the doctors office.

Really? Name them.

Probably the present one is looking elsewhere.

That probably explains why he re-signed for 2010.

by WTM on Oct 22, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Isn't it usually a good thing...

…when you’re “wreckless”?

My auto insurance company seems to think so…

by Vlad on Oct 22, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions

SOL

(smiling out loud)

by bucdaddy on Oct 23, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions

This is the money NH saved by not signing another Jeromy Burnitz.

by WTM on Oct 23, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions

Ha!

by maguro on Oct 23, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Hasn’t anyone considered that maybe Perry Hill just wants to be back in Texas? Maybe to work as an instructor or coach for the Rangers again?

Why do they want another
pitching coach?

Maybe Joe Kerrigan has told them he might want a second chance to manage again?

How many coaches did Danny Murtaugh have?

23. The only consecutive seasons with the exact same guys were 1961-62 and 1974-75-76. Most of his coaching staffs were only 4 guys at a time.

So because Russell is getting 7 of his 8 coaches back, the sky is falling and everyone in the Pirates front office are completely either evil or incompetent.

Honestly now, has anyone considered that maybe Perry Hill isn’t coming back to the Pirates because PNC Bank has canceled next spring? (Thanks WTM re: Oct 4, 2009 8:10 PM EDT)

"I choose to gamble with my life

Twice the risk, four times the prize

Nothing knocks me over"

by lighthouse913 on Oct 22, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions

should read above: are either completely evil or incompetent.

"I choose to gamble with my life

Twice the risk, four times the prize

Nothing knocks me over"

by lighthouse913 on Oct 22, 2009 8:30 PM EDT reply actions

Isn’t the meme on the PBC Blog and etc. that they are evil and incompetent? That doesn’t make much sense if you think about it, but whatever.

by Adam Reynolds on Oct 22, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, basically they only care about money but they’re also trying to alienate their fanbase so nobody goes to games. It’s like people who think the federal government is completely incompetent but is able to cover up massive conspiracies for decades.

by WTM on Oct 22, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions