Huntington: We Will Try to Keep Tyler Yates
Thanks for your patience while I was away. I'm done traveling until Thanksgiving. Incidentally, I'm about 95% sure I saw Jay Mariotti, looking sort of dapper in a sport coat and jeans, at a Hudson News in O'Hare today. I didn't say anything to him, just walked by the store a couple times to make sure it was him. Most of the things I think about that guy are things I'd be ashamed to say out loud. I texted a few people and got a bunch of suggestions about things to say. It goes without saying that most of those would be inappropriate to share here, but most people seemed to agree that fake adulation would have been the way to go.
Anyway, when a general manager says that he'd love for a player who's been recently cut to return, it's often wise to just chalk that up to the GM being polite. But in this case, I think Neal Huntington really would love for Tyler Yates to come back. Since there certainly wouldn't be a major league contract involved, I suppose there's no problem with it, but I'd frankly breathe a sigh of relief if Yates were gone forever. He's 32 and has had one major league season (2006) in which he's been any good. He also has big-time control problems and puts way too many batters on base, to the point that back in 2008 I was arguing that the Pirates just shouldn't put him out there at the start of an inning, lest he walk the first two batters.
Yates is also well past the age at which his good fastball should be interpreted as a sign of things to come. He's one of many relievers who Neal Huntington has acquired seemingly purely on the basis of his stuff. It's true that you can't teach velocity, but it's also true that after a certain age, the results have to speak for themselves. If you want to take a 24-year-old Evan Meek on the basis of his stuff in the Rule 5 draft, that's one thing. If you want to trade for a 30-year-old Yates and stick him in high-leverage situations over and over again despite mediocre or poor results, that's another.
This season, John Russell inserted Yates in high-leverage situations well past the point when it was obvious he had nothing. To be fair, Russell didn't have a lot of options. But I don't want him to be given that choice again. The line between Yates and obvious cannon-fodder like Denny Bautista is relatively thin, even when Yates is healthy.
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Completely agree
I remember a game against the Brewers this past season that Yates came in and the whole thing imploded.
Time to just let him go and see if he can latch on with another organization.
The Pirates have much better options than he, and should just use guys like Chavez or Meek, Ascanio and Hanrahan.
Yates is like gasoline being poured on a fire.
by backtocali on Oct 28, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see Hart get some work out of the pen.
But I don’t have much more patience for him as a rotation option.
by Vlad on Oct 28, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the very least, Hart is younger than Yates. And until he got to the Buccos, he actually pitched decently for the Cubs in parts of the last two years. I wouldn’t cast him aside…I think he’s a better long man/spot starter option than Karstens.
by NastyNate82 on Oct 28, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see Hart get some work out of the Indianapolis pen.
by WTM on Oct 28, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the beautiful thing about spitting:
You can express yourself properly to Mariotti without saying a word.
by Vlad on Oct 28, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good gravy, Pirates offseasons are lame.
“We will try to keep Tyler Yates.”
“We will aggressively court…Chris Bootcheck….Mike Benjamin….Ed Sprague…”
“We will add a [has-been, out-of-his-prime, sub-800] bat.”
Uggh! Don’t get me wrong, with the radical remaking of the 40-man and farm system over the last 12 months, I’m not complaining about current management. But I’d love to fantasize about a move the FO could make this offseason that—at least on paper—makes us better BOTH in the short term and long term. Any of those moves out there? Anyone? Bueller?
by Bwillits on Oct 28, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure...
…but bumping Tyler Yates off the 40-man isn’t going to be the impetus behind any of them.
I think they were talking about Yates because it’s topical right now, not because they don’t have anything else going on. But what’s the upside in NH giving full disclosure on their offseason plans? If moves come together after he announces them, they’ll be anticlimactic, and if they don’t, he’ll get beat up by fans for not getting the deal together (like with Sano).
by Vlad on Oct 28, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't knock Ed Sprague
he was our All Star rep for 1999 ! He did lead the league in getting hit by pitches with 17.
"Baseball is better than football. Think about it, eighty degrees, a cold beer and a short-sleeve shirt is better than 30 degrees, a hip flask and six layers of clothes under a lap blanket. Take your pick: suntan or frostbite. " - Thomas Boswell
by Ketcham Bruce on Oct 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
Yates was ok in 2007. I remember the bullpen order being (after starter): Yates, Grabow, Capps. And it closed out a few games.
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then it kinda fell apart this year.
by BlindSquirrel on Oct 28, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We've only had Yates 2 years, right?
You are missing Marte in there as well.
by Mr. E on Oct 28, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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