Jim Tracy, Baby! NL Manager of the Year!

Also, Mike Scioscia received the AL award.

If the opinions on the ROY were strong, I expect stronger reactions on Tracy's award. Unfortunately, even if what happened with the Rockies was just a case of Tracy taking over when a good team was getting hot, it's hard to argue with that record when the team was (what?) a dozen games below .500 when he took over...

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they followed it up by signing him to a 3 year extension. what are the chances he finishes this contract out?

by johnnycuff on Nov 18, 2009 3:17 PM EST reply actions

Oh, dear.

This isn’t going to end well.

by Vlad on Nov 18, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions

It's fun when it happens to another team, though.

Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89

by wg1of5 on Nov 18, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions

How do you know?

Tracy was a horrible fit in Pittsburgh. No doubt. Of course he was put in a horrible situation.

He seemed like the perfect fit in Colorado. In any case the money guaranteed to a manager for 3 years is a spit in the bucket to an MLB team so I really don’t see a problem with this…….

by haven on Nov 18, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions

He's done great in Colorado...

…because he hasn’t had to make any difficult decisions or deal with any real adversity. Sure, he’d probably continue to perform adequately if nothing ever goes wrong for them, until the end of time, but how likely is that?

by Vlad on Nov 19, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions

I heard what got him the 3 year deal is that Tracy reminded them that he used to manage the Dodgers.

by NastyNate82 on Nov 18, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions

I guess they’re overlooking the pirate stint as manager lol.

by lfhlaw on Nov 18, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions

How Did Jim Tracy Get So Smart?

In this post http://www.bucsdugout.com/2009/9/12/1027165/how-did-jim-tracy-get-so-smart back in Sept. I asked how he got so smart. It looks like the voters thought he was pretty smart as well.

I agree with Vlad that this will not end well.

by zogger on Nov 18, 2009 4:58 PM EST reply actions

Neal Huntington, Epic Fail.

See, he should have kept Jim Tracy, then the Pirates would have been in the playoffs this year. Never mind that he actually has some good players in Colorado.

by IAPiratesFan on Nov 18, 2009 5:19 PM EST reply actions

About as credible as the rest of the baseball writer awards, which is not at all. I’m half-shocked that they picked the right player for AL Cy Young.

by Adam Reynolds on Nov 18, 2009 5:41 PM EST reply actions

No 20 game winner

made the goofs look a little further into the actual performances instead of rubber stamping Felix for one more win that he would have had no control of. Not that I’m saying anything bad about Hernandez’s season, Greinke was a better pitcher this year.

by MDBuc on Nov 18, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions

I wish....

…we could get a great manager like Jim Tracy someday. Oh, wait…nevermind. lol

by Brakeman8 on Nov 18, 2009 6:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

All the awards in the world

won’t make Tracy a good manager. A lucky one, maybe. Unless … he actually learned something from his failures, but he never seemed like the kind of guy who would let himself be swayed by evidence contrary to what he believed was set in stone, which was just about everything.

How we can tell if he’s a changed man: He’ll give his players all the credit.

by bucdaddy on Nov 18, 2009 7:04 PM EST reply actions

We all know Jim Tracy sucks

But this is more understandable, in that there’s really no way to quantify a manager’s value. The Rockies were playing poorly, and after Tracy took over, they played well. It’s an easy call to make, even though, again, Jim Tracy sucks.

by biggyv on Nov 18, 2009 8:42 PM EST reply actions

Sometimes managing turns into “whichever-guy-makes-the-least-moronic-decisions-wins.” I wouldn’t say managing is easy, simply because it seems there are more ways for a manager to lose a game rather than win it. Still, Tracy kinda…well, no he sucks.

by NastyNate82 on Nov 18, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions

At the start of the playoffs, a customer came in to where I work wearing a Dodgers team jacket and hat. I talked to him about baseball when I was making his food and mentioned I was a Pirates fan. I said “yeah, so we both know that Jim Tracy is not the manager he’s made out to be” and his eyes got all big, he nodded and said “yeah, he was horrible at his job. He cost the Dodgers more games than anyone on the team.”

Moral of the story: it’s only a matter of time.

http://fanhuddle.com/pittsburghpirates

by Nate Rose on Nov 19, 2009 12:34 AM EST reply actions

I still cringe when I think about how much he loved Nyjer, and played him over Nate. But hey, he deserved the award this year, no doubt. As far as whether he will finish out this contract; well, the Rockies gave Clint Hurdle 7 years I think, and he had one winning season I believe.

by jonoz13 on Nov 19, 2009 2:12 AM EST reply actions

I still hate LaTracy

"Baseball is better than football. Think about it, eighty degrees, a cold beer and a short-sleeve shirt is better than 30 degrees, a hip flask and six layers of clothes under a lap blanket. Take your pick: suntan or frostbite. " - Thomas Boswell

by Ketcham Bruce on Nov 19, 2009 4:41 AM EST reply actions

He finally has the leverage he needs to bring Jose Hernandez on board.

The extention is the only good news out of this. Rocks will be what they deserve in time. The thin mountain air must impede oxygen to the brain. What’s the sports writers’ excuse?

by chicos_pants on Nov 19, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions

I have far fewer gripes against Tracy- my following the Pirates only involved a couple of months of Tracy.

It seems hard to argue against his record with the Rox. Regardless of whether he got lucky or not, I must say that different people perform differently in different situations. Depending on how the surrounding circumstances fit you and your style, I can well imagine the results being different.

Since Tracy, we’ve had John Russell, who hasn’t distinguished himself all that much, imo, and we gave him 3 years too. Perhaps we only did that to tide over what was certain to be a terrible stretch, nonetheless…

I’ve heard some of the gripes against Tracy, blowing out arms- Gorzo… can someone point to other links, perhaps from BD or elsewhere, or comment threads where there was more discussion of Tracy’s tenure with the Bucs?

by BurgherKing on Nov 19, 2009 12:22 PM EST reply actions

I would take a hundred years of Russell...

…before one more year of Tracy.

by Vlad on Nov 19, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions

Would you rather have Jim Tracy or Tim Johnson? Stellar managers both…

by NastyNate82 on Nov 19, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions

Johnson, in a rout

He’s a good storyteller, so at least the press conferences would be interesting. I’d rather have anecdotes about Johnson beating grizzly bears to death with his enormous genitals than another round of “where we’re at, right now”.

by Vlad on Nov 20, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions