What Would You Have Done as GM? (2001 Season)
As a long-suffering Pirates fan, I have to constantly defend my loyalty to the team – usually, I claim insanity and let it go at that. I’m currently trapped in New York. When I point out that the Yankees buy championships, the locals respond, “The Pirates have had good players – if they had just built around Aramis Ramirez ... or Brian Giles ... or Barry Bonds ... or Jason Bay ... or Doug Mientkewicz, they could’a been a contenduh....” Obviously, many Pirates fans feel much the same way.
I say, “It just ain’t so.”
So, I’ve decided to painfully revisit part of our sordid history. What I intend to do for each year is lay out – in broad terms – how the Pirates’ year went and their strengths and weaknesses. Then, you get to be the General Manager and make a decision. Fairly or unfairly, the options are roughly the same as the Pirates had that year. I don’t believe in “magic wands,” so I don’t have an option where the Pirates sign Pedro Martinez, Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, and Albert Pujols in one swell foop (whatever that phrase means).
All the info I’ve using is from www.baseball-reference.com. I’m not a stats guru, so I try not to bog down figuring out what UZR/BA*OPS – ∫(k/IP +whip)3 equals. I’ve grabbed players and stats that catch my eye in a quick review, but I haven’t intentionally cherry-picked the stats (meaning, I haven’t presented selected stats specifically to spin the outcome). If I recognize a player’s name, even if for an obscure reason, I may mention that player. Also, I had a difficult time finding the free agent class for each year, so feel free to help fill in those blanks. All in all, I’m just trying to pass the dull (i.e., hockey) months until spring training begins.
I’ve really only become deeply involved in the Pirates again in the last few years and since I have to start somewhere, I picked 2001. I was almost back home (living in central PA), could watch the Bucs regularly, and even went to a couple of games. Enjoy, or let me know that this is just sucking the life out of the page, and we’ll go from there.
2001 was a great year – it was the closest to home I’ve lived since 1984 and I got to see a few Pirates games, and Cal Ripken’s last game, with my son. Looking at the roster, I’m surprised to see that the Pirates’ core group of position players included Jason Kendall, Jack Wilson (only 23 years old in his first Pirates year, but only hitting .223), Aramis Ramirez (34 HR, 40 2B), and Brian Giles (37 HR, 37 2B, and 7 3B). Unfortunately, the rest of our line-up included nobodies such as Kevin Young (blocking Craig Wilson, who hit .310/13 HR in 158 AB) at 1st, Pat Meares at 2nd, and Gary Matthews and John Vander Wal in the outfield. I’m gonna’ go out on a limb and say there was nobody of note on our bench.
Our starting rotation had Bronson Arroyo and a 28-year old Jason Schmidt (both spent time at Nashville, then our AAA affiliate) as – wait for it – the fourth and fifth starters.
If you wanted to build from within, Nashville had future stars such as Ryan Secrist’s brother, Reed (well, maybe not), Humberto Cota, Tike Redman, Craig Wilson, and Rob Mack-o-wack. At Altoona, we had Ryan Doumit (for two games), John Grabow, and Mike Gonzalez. Among our rookies, 22-year old J.J. Davis had a .882 slugging percentage in A ball. We drafted John Van Benschoten (to go with Vander Wal) eighth overall in the draft and Chris Duffy (8th round), Zach Duke (20th round), and Rajai Davis (38th round). We also drafted future Arizona Diamondback Stephen Drew, but he did not sign with the Pirates (or anyone else for 3 more years while he played college ball). So, where we were just one free agent away from a dynasty?
The Pirates ended 2001 with a 62-100 record. How? It appears that we had a pretty lousy pitching staff. Our first three starters – Todd Ritchie, Jimmy Anderson, and Dave Williams – had a 23-39 win/loss record and an average ERA of 4.42. I’m not sure who Arroyo (5 wins, 7 losses, 5.09 ERA) and the 28-year old Jason Schmidt (6&6, 4.61 ERA) replaced. Our bullpen looks atrocious – Joe Beimal (7 wins, 11 losses, 5.23 ERA) and Omar Olivares (6 wins, 9 losses, 6.55 ERA) set up for Mike Williams, who had a 3.67 ERA and 1.440 WHIP. (Or they pitched middle relief, as they have more IP than Arroyo and Schmidt.) The rest of our pitchers toiled – badly – in obscurity. Too bad they weren’t more obscure. This sure seems to be the cause of our 100-loss season, as we scored about 660 runs (4/game) and allowed about 860 runs (5.3/game). I bet a lot of frustrated batters watched leads melt away after a key home run.
Before the 2001 season, the Pirates made a move that has haunted us to this day, sending A. Ramirez to the Yakult Swallows of the Japan Central league. (Alex, not Aramis – this is the trade everyone complains about, right? During the season, we traded Enrique Wilson (who I don’t remember, save for a recent post) to the Yankees for Damaso Marte, who we traded to the White Sox after the season ended. Marte appeared in 23 games for us and had a 4.71 ERA. We also traded the 28-year old, 4.61 ERA Jason Schmidt to San Francisco for Armando Rios (a middle-aged outfielder) and Ryan Vogelsong (a young pitcher). Interestingly, Schmidt’s ERA went to 3.39 pitching for the Giants – I’ve always wondered if we relied on pitching coach “Spin” Williams too much. There were, of course, a host of other moves – feel free to tell me if you think I missed a key move, like granting Rich Loiselle free agency.
After the season was over, we traded our No. 1 starter, Todd Ritchie, to the Chicago White Sox for Josh Fogg and Kip Wells, and signed Salomon Torres, Pokey Reese, Ron Villone.
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Option 3
I liked option 3, but I don’t think that team would have turned it around for the PBC. I couldn’t think of a better option, so I chose option 4. Smitty would have been great trade fodder for the 2002 season and probably would have brought in a better haul than what we received.
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How Does Everyone Know....
That Schmidt was going to turn it around. (I’m defining “everyone” as the three people who voted to untrade him so far…) I hate to have 20-20 hindsight, but that sounds like us endlessly waiting for Van BenSchoten….
Schmidt had had
a lot more success than JVB at the major league level and was coming off an injury shortened season. His value was lower than peak and it was pretty clear rios and vogelson were scrubs.
Keep Jason, make the ritchie deal, then flip bobby bradley and jr house (top 20 prospects at the time) for Pujols and Peavy :)
Schmidt Peavy Wells Arroyo Fogg would have been nice
Kendall CF Giles Pujols(1B) Aram Craig Wilson (RF) Pokey Jack
Maybe ship Kendall off for a young CF
Did he?
Just looked up his career stats – in the four years with the Pirates before the trade, he never had an ERA below 4.00 or a WHIP under 1.40 (I get the impression that 1.2 is good, 1.3 is acceptable, but pitchers going over 1.4 start to get in trouble).
Until I did this, I honestly thought that Schmidt was some minor league prospect we traded (I didn’t get a lot of Pirates news in the 90’s). I was surprised to see how old he was and how pedestrian he was.
I suspect – can’t be sure, but suspect – that getting Pujols and Peavy might be a tad on the high side for those trades.
Thanx for posting….
He was
a useful starter in the majors. Bryan Bullington was a useful starter at AAA. Soo yeah, I consider that a lot more success. At the time he was also one of the top starters available on the trade market, but we insisted on getting a major league player back in the deal (Rios) for god knows why.
And yeah the 2nd part was more wishful thinking and 20/20 vision, but it should be noted that our guys were more highly regarded at the time.
Even back then, no way in hell you could flip Bobby Bradley and JR House for Pujols and Peavy. Not only did they play on different teams – meaning you’d have to convince the Cardinals and Padres to give up each player for ONE top 20 prospect – they were both already Major Leaguers. Pujols had just won Rookie of the Year after a mammoth season, and Peavy was showing a lot of promise.
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I would have traded Ramirez, Giles, and Kendall...
Ramirez to the Cardinals for Albert Pujols:) and another top prospect while eating half his salary. I then would hvae traded Giles to the Padres for the package we ended up getting or possibly something better and traded Kendall for someone who would take on his contract and give up some decent pitching. Then I would have converted JVB back to the outfield and I would have told all of my scouts to stay away from any college pitchers and look very hard at BJ Upton.
Trading Ramirez at that point
would be trading high, but were the Cardinals ready to give up Pujols? If the Padres were willing to trade, we probably could have gotten J-Bay again – remember, all the talk is that we were aiming to get Nady.
Only problem with the scouts is – based on changes made by the new regime – that they were all grading people according to their own system and own metrics, w/nothing in common. Probably how we drafted so well in the 90s and early 2000s….
Thanks f/the posts.
One move...
not allow JVB to become a pitcher. :)
Seriously…one move wasn’t going to make a difference…but JVB was higher rated as a hitter when he was drafted than a pitcher. Might have eventually improved the first base situation.
I wrote that in mine...
but he could have been a real power threat in the line up. He also had a cannon for an arm so he could have been a good power hitting right fielder. Would have fit in really well with Ramirez and Giles.
+13
for the use of a derivative symbol. That was impressive
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So that's what that was....
Has anyone plugged in some numbers and seen what that equation gives you?
Yeah, but
you still would’ve invaded Poland. Admit it.
by Trogluddite on Nov 29, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe – I ain’t tellin’…
So many repercussions, y’know.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Nov 30, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think that going into a full rebuild...
…would have been the best solution. There was a fair bit of in-system talent thanks to Mickey White, and if you add in prospects gained from an opportunistic trade of Giles and a few years’ worth of non-Creech drafts, I don’t think we would’ve been in too bad a spot.
Bite the Bullet
All three for Whatever the best Young players were availible that year
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
By the end of 2001, Kendall had already suffered...
…his career-altering thumb injury. He wasn’t going anywhere. And Ramirez was 23 – a core part, not an established veteran to deal off.
in 2001 there were these Young players in the majors:
Dmitri Young
Eric Young
Kevin Young
Michael Young
and in the minors:
Doug Young
Curtis Young
Eddie Young
Ernie Young
Jason Young
Walter Young
Young-jin Jung
I don’t think our 3 guys could have gotten that many in return.
You smartass
you know what I meant and I didn’t sday wer had to get all of them
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 30, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
C'mon, dude...
that was funny.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Nov 30, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
It was I do not dispute that it was funny but very Smartassish
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 30, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not, it was very funny and I respect it
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
I believe he said the BEST Young players...
not all of them >_>
by BlindSquirrel on Nov 30, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions

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