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Way Under the Radar: Five Prospects to Watch in 2010

The Pirates' minor league system is now so widely discussed on the internet that a lot of casual fans even know about guys like Rudy Owens and Robbie Grossman, to say nothing of high-profile prospects like Pedro Alvarez and Jose Tabata. Here's a list of a few more obscure prospects who nonetheless might surprise us in 2010. None of them are on my Top 30 list from October.

1. Rogelios Noris, OF. Likely 2010 assignment: West Virginia. Noris is an interesting prospect; he hit very well in Venezuela in 2007, but the Bucs left him there in 2008, where he had about the same season. He came to the U.S. to play rookie ball in 2009 and hit for excellent power, although his strike zone control left a lot to be desired. He's a corner outfielder only, so he'll have to hit a lot to make it as a prospect. He hit brilliantly in Mexico this winter, though. That's something, even given the microscopic sample size, because the players who surrounded him were generally much more advanced. His teammates, for example, included Brian Bixler, Rays prospect Reid Brignac, Angels AAA third baseman Freddy Sandoval, and former Yankees super-prospect Ruben Rivera. Noris outhit all of them. You can laugh if you want about a prospect who outhits Brian Bixler and Ruben Rivera, and again, the sample size is way too small to make solid judgments, but a rookie-league player who performs that well against advanced competition is certainly worth watching.

2. Nate Baker, SP. Likely 2010 assignment: West Virginia. Baker makes the list because of the reasonable chance that he charges through a couple of levels and winds up at Bradenton (the new high-A team) or even Altoona by year's end. There are interesting parallels between Baker and Justin Wilson, who like Baker was a college lefty with good velocity who the Pirates selected in the fifth round. The Bucs started Wilson at Lynchburg in 2009 and he struggled a bit so, as WTM points out, Baker's assignment this spring may turn out to be important. I'd probably send him to West Virginia to start, but Bradenton is also a possibility.

3. Jeff Inman, SP. Likely 2010 assignment: West Virginia. He would have been a reasonable inclusion on the Top 30 list, but he didn't quite make the cut because of his struggles in his junior year at Stanford. Still, his signing was weirdly low-profile, given that he was once regarded as a potential first-round pick and that the Pirates paid a way-above-slot $425,000 for him. WTM reports that he was throwing 93-95 for State College.

4. Jorge Bishop, SS/2B. Likely 2010 assignment: Gulf Coast League. Maybe "under the radar" isn't the best descriptor, since message boards were buzzing about Bishop all summer, but I'll stick him here nonetheless. There are some enormous caveats here--it's hard to know what to make of stats from the Dominican and Venezuelan leagues, it's hard to predict who the Pirates will choose to come north regardless of the stats, and Bishop is listed at 5'10" and 152 pounds. For all we know, Bishop might be back in the VSL, or we might never hear from him again. But there's very little to dislike about his performance in the VSL last year--he hit for average and terrific power, and he stole bases. And he was born in 1991. Jonathan Barrios, another middle infielder from the VSL, would also be a good choice for this list, and he's an even better bet to make it to the states this year (although, again, though he didn't make my Top 30 list, "under the radar" might not be the best descriptor--he signed for a huge bonus). The Pirates also have a bunch of interesting pitchers in the Dominican and in Venezuela, but I'm not even going to speculate about which ones will make the leap.

5. Ramon Cabrera, C. Likely 2010 assignment: State College. Cabrera has done nothing but hit, both in the VSL and in rookie ball last year, but he hasn't gotten much attention yet. He's shown excellent strike zone control, which is a very good indicator going forward, although he's only 5'7", so it remains to be seen how much power he'll develop. (His meager-looking power numbers from the VSL shouldn't necessarily be dismissed, though: not many players hit for power there.) It'll be interesting to see if the Pirates send Cabrera to State College or West Virginia--West Virginia doesn't really have any catching prospects it needs to play, so if Cabrera impresses the Bucs in camp it might be possible that they'd send him there.

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Nate Baker, SP. Likely 2010 assignment: West Virginia. Baker makes the list because of the reasonable chance that he charges through a couple of levels and winds up at Lynchburg or even Altoona by year’s end. Bradenton Mauraders even.

by karreemofwhite on Dec 27, 2009 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

Probably not the first time I’ll make that mistake.

by Charlie on Dec 27, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Good read on these boring baseball (lack of news) days, Charlie.

Thanks

by God Loves on Dec 27, 2009 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

Sure, thanks for reading.

by Charlie on Dec 28, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

How does Jorge Bishop...

compare to Dodger’s top prospect Dee Gordon? They seem like very similar players to me.

by joegonzo on Dec 27, 2009 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

Gordon...

…is a much, much better prospect at this point.

by Vlad on Dec 28, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course...

thats why he is a top prospect and Bishop isn’t. I was asking how they compared in terms of tools and body type. They are both small guys who have really good tools. I think Bishop has more power potential, but Gordon is more advanced.

by joegonzo on Dec 28, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

From what I've read...

…Gordon is faster and has better overall athleticism. I’m not sure how much power potential Bishop has, so I can’t really compare them there.

by Vlad on Dec 28, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

They seem to be on the same track...

to the majors. Bishop should be in the GCL next year at age 19 and if he can put up good numbers there he has a chance to make the top 20 if not top ten if he really tears it up. Rogelios Noris seems like he could make the top ten next year too. If he puts up some good power numbers he could be in Bradenton by the end of the year. Nate Baker seems like a pitcher who is going to fly through the minors but not be much more than average. Jeff Inman is the guy I really like out of the five you mentioned here. Has top of the rotation stuff if he comes back healthy. He could also fly through the minors , but I would take it safe with him that way he doesn’t get hurt again.

by joegonzo on Dec 28, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Christmas? Bah, humbug

I love it that I can come here 24/7/365 and somebody’s talking Pirates baseball.

by bucdaddy on Dec 27, 2009 8:52 PM EST reply actions  

Does this mean

Robinzon Diaz is no longer “on the fringe?”

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Dec 27, 2009 9:42 PM EST reply actions  

I update those very infrequently. It’s a big-time pain to do.

by Charlie on Dec 27, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I know...

…we’ve been over it once before. I was just givin’ yez th’ bizniss. It seemed apropos given the subject matter of the post. ;-)

By the bye, how did yer gig in C’bus go?

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Dec 28, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

It was cool. The band we played with, the Kyle Sowashes, are really good and are good people to boot. The drive back home in the middle of the night in the snow was interesting.

by Charlie on Dec 28, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

5'7" isn't a deal-breaker.

Ivan Rodriguez had 305 career HR, and he’s only 5’9".

And Alex Cabrera (Ramon’s dad) is listed at 6’2", so maybe he’s got a little growing left in him.

by Vlad on Dec 28, 2009 12:43 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah. I didn’t mean to suggest it was a deal-breaker, and I worried after I hit publish that I was coming off as a bit of a body fascist, which I’m not—if Dustin Pedroia can succeed, or Pablo Sandoval, no body type is off limits. And Cabrera certainly wouldn’t be the first short, squat catcher to have a career.

He is really short, though.

by Charlie on Dec 28, 2009 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

That may give him an advantage, as the ump can see over him more easily. :-)

by MarkInDallas on Dec 28, 2009 5:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Good picks, Charlie.

I’d tagged my sleepers in this thread (taking guys who didn’t make Sickels’s top 20), and we ended up with a few names in common.

by Vlad on Dec 28, 2009 12:46 AM EST reply actions  

Can’t remember if I’d seen that or not. Klinger is an interesting pick. What made you pick Gourley?

by Charlie on Dec 28, 2009 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Couple of things.

He had a good track record in high school AND scouts liked him a lot, which is a positive indicator. He ran a fair bit at a solid rate of success, even though he isn’t particularly fast, which speaks well of his baseball IQ. He signed early fairly early despite a pretty good school commitment, which shows that he’s motivated. He got above-slot money, so the team’s scouts must think fairly highly of him. His overall rookie ball numbers were rough, but they were trending up at year’s end, which is definitely the way you’d want things to be moving.

He looks like a 3B going forward rather than a SS, and he may not have enough power for that spot, but he’s still reasonably interesting. I don’t think he belongs in the top 30 this year or anything like that, but he’s one of the better prospects among people in the system not currently regarded as prospects by the general fan base. Probably not a future star, but maybe a guy who has a respectable big-league career.

I nearly put Chris Aure on the shot-in-the-dark part of that list, too, but I wasn’t brave enough without knowing what had him on the DL last year.

by Vlad on Dec 28, 2009 2:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure anyone cares...

…but per this page, we released Deybis Benitez, the minor league UT IF we got for Mike Koplove.

by Vlad on Dec 28, 2009 12:52 AM EST reply actions  

although he's only 5'7",

kirby puckett was listed at 5’ 9". thanks much for the news, its very lean at this time of year.

by karreemofwhite on Dec 28, 2009 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

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